So the Endwalker role quests were bad. Really, REALLY bad. Absolutely atrocious, in terms of pacing, presentation. Compared to ShB, they fall severely flat. While the ShB role quests utilized characters previously established in the MSQ and further fleshed them out and gave them proper conclusion, the EW ones revolved around literal whos who became blapshemies, who I could not possibly have cared about. The stories ranged from bland, to outright absurd. When I did the Ishgard quests and got to reveal about an elezen clone being made into a primal of a Heavensward member then a blasphemy, I actually had to stop for about 3 weeks because of how utterly fucking ridiculous the entire premise of this was.
They barely, or not at all in some cases, justifed the entire reason for needing your specific role, which is the entire bloody point. Instead of being given a narrative reason for the reward at the end of each like in ShB, you just......can dye your job gear at the end. Why not before? Literally no reason.
While the ShB quests make sense to be done post-MSQ (though not really during MSQ) as it make sense for and is established that Sin Eaters still roam around Norvrandt, it makes zero sense for you to do the EW quests during MSQ, and I do not believe for a second that there are still blasphemies roaming about post EW. I don't care what the game says, it flat out doesn't make sense, it's stupid on so many levels. The fact that even with the Blasphemy roaming about you barely see anyone else in the respective questlines turn as well makes the entire thing lack tension and feel low energy especially post-MSQ.
However, low quality writing in non-MSQ story content is a recurring problem with storytelling outside of the MSQ, except rare cases like Hildibrand funnily enough. They are usually, at best, okay. Decent. Alright. At best. At worst, they're horrendous, in some cases barely respecting or outright disrespecting the MSQ, or inserting a Mary Sue OC donut steal character like the RDM quests who you are forced to be BFF's with in the span of 5 minutes because the stories do not often respect the severe brevity of their length and treat it like it's a feature-length story when it's a 5 quest plot. Almost like they let the writers just do whatever the feel like in certain cases. This is also seen in the Eden quests, where Ryne and Gaia just become BFF's in the span of a few quests despite Gaia being annoyed with and wanting nothing to do with Ryne and then all of sudden they're friends.
This relationship would have been potentially believable had the writer been allowed to make the story longer, given that friendship actual time to develop organically. But rather than respect the short length of the story, he forced a relationship to happen far too fast. I like short stories, but you need to understand you don't have the same length to do what you can do in a much longer story and should write around this fact. Trying to shove in an entire novel's worth of character development into a very short storyline does not usually work.
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07-16-2022, 12:12 AMYukikoKurosawaLet's Talk About the Low Quality of Side Stories in this Game
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07-16-2022, 12:14 AMYukikoKurosawa
One of the problems I think is the way they're told. Unlike the MSQ, which is a nonstop string of quests with no break inbetween, side stories are generally broken up by several levels in between, or in the case of daily questlines entire WEEKS, which completely destroys the pacing. Each quest ends with you and the designated 2 characters you hang out with going seperate ways for a very long time, then the next quest starts with a recap of whatever the hell they were doing since then, which becomes swiftly formulaic. Hildibrand has this problem of pacing as well, but it doesn't force you to go through a recap each time after a break happens and you can just chain the quests that are already complete like a non-stop story. For a class or role quest you can just wait till you're high enough to do them all together, but for Tribe quests, or in the case of the end of Yorha story, this isn't possible.
It seems the writing team behind the MSQ is not the same as whoever is behind side stories. There is a very, VERY noticeable drop off in quality here. To the point of being jarring. It's as if they just bring in an intern to write them. Had I known how bad the PLD quests would be I would've skipped them and I never skip anything. It leads me to question if YoshiP is even aware of the writing quality outside of MSQ, or even cares. But my opinion is that if they are genuinely just not giving a shit and have nobody to oversee quality of these stories, then they should just stop writing them altogether.
Now I will add that there are notable exceptions, like Alexander, Omega, Werlyt (which I think had horrible pacing despite being a good story). There are actual side stories that work with the short length and do it very well, and are actually just outright good stories. But they are shining gems in a sea of trash.
There is a quality standard set by the MSQ, hell even Hildibrand, even if you don't find it funny they're very well told stories at the very least. I'm not asking for side stories to be just as good, but if they're just gonna be okay at best, then why are they bothering to make them? I don't want okay writing, I want GOOD writing. They seriously need to start putting some sort of quality control over the side story content, they need to consider that having the quests be broken up by levels or entire weeks completely kills pacing and they should stop telling stories this way.
But if we're going to get more of EW role quest quality stories then please just stop and stick to MSQ, raid stories (which are hit or miss), or Hildy.
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07-16-2022, 12:33 AMJin-
Hmmm, not bad... not bad at all. I am content with this thread :)
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07-16-2022, 01:05 AMLustre
It irks me that the hildibrand quests have a much higher quality in animation and flair than any of the msq cutscenes do. I've said previously, but when people are doing crazy combo flips into the air, and then in msq my character might as well be a cardboard cutout who nods every 15 minutes, it's a real shame and ultimately feels unnecessary. I understand they limit personality in WoL for RP/headcanon reasons, but everyone I know was so excited to see their WoL do a slightly different unsheath amimation, it's actually sad. Like, if that's the thing to get excited about then idk what to say... it's like a man who's been living on rotten food his whole life. Well, when someone gives him a fresh pizza crust, he'll be over the moon and probably won't be able to stop thanking you. I'm not the best at analogies, but that's kinda the vibe it gives me.
I do think that the EW role quests felt disappointing this time around. It felt like they were created because they had to be created, and no other reason. Every single mob was a reused asset, even the capstone quest boss is just Amaurot final boss. Like seriously? Then to add insult to injury, they used this capstone quest to essentially write any future garlean plotlines out of the game. You already wiped them out off-screen, did you need to wipe the remaining legions too? Lmao -
07-16-2022, 01:13 AMJeeqbit
As someone who has done every side quest except some of the post moogle and crafter/gatherer quests, the side stories in this game are definitely not low-quality. Even the ones that appear in little settlements you pass through in the MSQ will tell you all about the life story of this one person who needs a fish or some meat, as if SE actually care about story-telling compared to other games.
The one thing I will agree with is that I knew I had to kill something, but they acted like I, the Warrior of Light, couldn't kill it and needed to do some sort of preparation first. It felt absurd and like the quests were filler until max level. Some of the role quests were less filler and more engaging than others. Getting to know the characters in each was interesting but when you know it's filler it's harder to appreciate it.Quote:
So the Endwalker role quests were bad. Really, REALLY bad. Absolutely atrocious, in terms of pacing, presentation.
This is not correct. The EW role quests utilized characters previously established in the MSQ including the city state politicians and other established characters like Fordola and Arenvald, and gave them a proper conclusion.Quote:
While the ShB role quests utilized characters previously established in the MSQ and further fleshed them out and gave them proper conclusion, the EW ones revolved around literal whos who became blapshemies, who I could not possibly have cared about.
They took advantage of the expertise of the city state politician, such as how Kan-E-Senna is a healer and have you fill in the gap. I found that the role quests tested some things about the roles, knowledge of tank interrupts or making you actually have to heal.Quote:
They barely, or not at all in some cases, justifed the entire reason for needing your specific role, which is the entire bloody point.
I felt the same way, but one of the quests clarified that it would take time for the final days effect to wear off even though we stopped it.Quote:
it makes zero sense for you to do the EW quests during MSQ, and I do not believe for a second that there are still blasphemies roaming about post EW.
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07-16-2022, 01:25 AMRaoabolicThe real sad part is that the writers/devs tied up a huge Garlean plotline with the role quests and i'll say that the finale of that particular story felt like I was watching the ending of Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. A bunch of random people shuffling off into the snow as the Indiana jones theme plays, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lustre
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07-16-2022, 02:56 AMTaleraRistainIt makes perfect sense. It's not the Song of Oblivion only that causes the Final Days. It's the stagnation of aether that the influx of dynamic causes. The aether in those areas is not just going to pop back right away. It needs time to recover. The Studium quests also reinforce that there are lingering problems with aether on Etheirys.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
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07-16-2022, 03:00 AMKolsykolWhy?...Quote:
Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
People who had already turned didn't revert back.
You not caring or something not suiting your tastes also doesn't make something low quality.
Did you actually do this or is it just more pointless hyperbole?Quote:
Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
Because that's not a normal reaction.
Because that's how it has always worked, you unlock the ability to dye Job gear it's a reward just like how other glam rewards are.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
Altho in EW it's way more straight forward which could be a good or a bad thing depending on ones pov.
But in other expansions you had to do stuff to dye it too and it's a sort of status thing ( even if it's easy to unlock, but it shows someone put time into it ).
Personally at least I prefer the way it was done in EW just as a reward for beating the role storyline rather than having to turn to stuff like Eureka, crafting or EX trials.
I don't think that the whole Gaia and Ryne thing just suddenly happened either it was a gradual thing of Gaia opening up.
One can think what they want about that storyline, I would've prefered something different for the Trials.
But I don't think that was rushed at all, if anything I'd say it was bordering on feeling too dragged out with her being emo and giving Ryne shit.
But she did gradually drop the attitude and then it culminated into her dropping it after a life or death scenario which I don't think is that strange.
Omega and Werlyt in particular were very different too imo because they had so much build-up before that and were more directly tied to the Source.
In SHB they needed a story that would be relevant to the First and they didn't have that history to build on.
Imo again I probably would've prefered something different, but I at least liked that it made me feel like Ryne had someone her own age she could connect to when we left.
The Hildibrand story was created as a test for the character animations originally and people enjoyed it so they continued it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lustre
That's why the animations are so exaggerated and crazy because they were pushing things to the limit.
The MSQ is also SIGNIFICANTLY longer they can't do that, they have to prioritize the animations for specific scenes and it mainly becomes focused on other characters. -
07-16-2022, 03:03 AMBunnycakeYou even did The Greatest Story Never Told quest...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeqbit
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07-16-2022, 03:03 AMRaven2014I wouldn't say bad as in the questline themselves are bad, but just badly misplaced and designed.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
It's totally obvious the quests were NOT written as role quests, but just got the role assigned to them after the fact.
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07-16-2022, 03:11 AMAwesomeJr44I mean, you could argue that after EW's MSQ, that the bar isn't set very high considering how garbage the EW MSQ was for pacing, respecting previous concepts, and storytelling. The EW MSQ eviscerated any standard of quality set up by SHB by disrespecting everything that came before it. Oh that dude Zodiark that's been built up to be the most powerful primal? Yeah, he got completely trashed by the lv x3 quests. The final days that destroyed the ancients? Yeah, those happened because some depressed guy decided to chuck a twitter birb into space. The sundering that destroyed the unsundered world? Yeah, the person who did it decided to sunder everyone because they weren't suffering hard enough for her liking. Not to mention, the final days that previously destroyed an entire world succeeded in killing a total of... oh right, ZERO main characters. Literally everyone of value survived the literal apocalypse.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
EW's storytelling has been pretty awful overall, not just in the side stories. So let's not pretend like the current MSQ is some shining bastion of quality writing. You might have been able to say that during SHB, but that's nowhere near the case since 6.0. -
07-16-2022, 03:24 AMAngelCheese77
I find nor found anything wrong with the sidequests in EW.
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07-16-2022, 03:40 AMStriker44Actually, the overwhelming majority of the playerbase considers EW to be a great story. YMMV, but please stop trying to act as if you are somehow an arbiter on all things and hundreds of thousands of other people must be "wrong" because...well...you say so? EW's storytelling has been amazing, and the huge positive reception to it practically anywhere outside of the trollish echo chamber here is a testament to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by AwesomeJr44
Actually, it's "totally obvious" that they were written as role quests. There is a common theme for the role that carries throughout each questline. Healer role? You act as a healer in cutscenes in ways that only make sense as a healer quest, and main fights are specifically designed based on you being a healer. Ditto for tanks, dps, etc..Quote:
It's totally obvious the quests were NOT written as role quests, but just got the role assigned to them after the fact.
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07-16-2022, 04:06 AMRaven2014That's the "tacked on" part. Nothing about the quests line specifically require the specific role. Patching up a minor wound for Fordola is hardly something that "requires" a healer of the WoL's caliber. It's hardly a healer role quest when the healing could be probably done by a anyone, in the past the job/quest tie specicially scenario where it "has" to be you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker44
If anything, the "token" mentioned for role just make it more obvious how they were trying to shoehorn the role into the questline after the fact. I don't recall any situation in any questline where you have to be a tank or DPS either. The worst one is probably the physical range. I mean ... out of the nations, Hien probably has the most competent range army with the entire Au'ra tribes united under him who are born hunter. Not to mention they are also partially airbone with that big birds a lot of them ride on (which they even battles imperial airship with), so there is like ... no reason at all to specifically call for the range version of WoL.Quote:
You act as a healer in cutscenes in ways that only make sense as a healer quest, and main fights are specifically designed based on you being a healer. Ditto for tanks, dps, etc..
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07-16-2022, 04:38 AMDeverynEchoing this sentiment. Nothing more needs to be said :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolsykol
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07-16-2022, 05:09 AMJeeqbitYes, I did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunnycake
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07-16-2022, 05:29 AMGrizzlyTankThe reason Hildibrand has that animation budget is probably because it was initially and still is largely the one part of the game where they are free to do almost whatever they want and to push the expressions and movements to the max. While the "main" game tends to be a lot more grounded and thus more simpler animations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lustre
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07-16-2022, 05:36 AMRaskbuckI think I remember reading something about that in an interview, a long time ago. Something about them wanting the MSQ stay grounded and more serious, as opposed to Hildibrand's shenanigans. I think they also mentioned the Y'shtola scene in the current patch is likely as far as they were willing to go in terms of goofiness (although goofiness is not necessarily tied to animation quality).Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank
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07-16-2022, 05:54 AMAwesomeJr44And you're right because other people say so? Have you considered the outlandish possibility that they might be... wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker44
You can subjectively like EW if you want, but it's filled with objectively bad writing points, and if you want to say it isn't, you're wrong on an objective level. Again, like what you want to like, but your opinion on EW doesn't make the writing any good.
EW made time travel and space travel a joke by removing the immense amount of effort that it used to take to do it. Now we can just teleport to the moon cause... nethergate thing?
EW made the final days a joke by failing to set stakes for any legacy characters or locations, only having it impact side characters introduced in this expansion. Please name a main character from a previous expansion that has been killed by the apocalypse that nearly destroyed the ancients.
EW made the sundering a morally unsupportable act by failing to create a justifiable reason for it, then bends over backwards to convince you they did and that Venat isn't a villain. We're lucky we got that once choice in the Omega sidequest that let's us actually not be a Venat loving sheep for one time.
EW had a final villain that is far too disconnected from the rest of the story arc that EW was supposedly trying to wrap up, causing her to be tacked on and her character to have come out of nowhere. No, previous Final Fantasy games doing this doesn't make it ok here. If FF4 has a bad writing point, and FFXIV adopts that bad writing point, I can absolutely fault FFXIV for that. And yes, Meteion is the main villain. Not some vague concept of despair. If Meteion wasn't supposed to be the main villain then she shouldn't have been a thing, but we need a big monster to slap at the end so she exists.
I'm not the world's best writer but at least I'm not trying to excuse objectively bad writing by saying 'well, people like it'. Yes, people can like things that aren't good. That's why Disney Star Wars still makes bank even when it's trash tier fanfic writing.
Sorry if I don't accept that EW's storytelling is amazing because the community says it's good. Especially when this is the community that will literally eat crap if Yoshi P told them to, and they'd like it. Your assumption that anyone who doesn't like it is a troll is also very telling. There are plenty of people who don't like the obvious glaring and quite frankly objective flaws in this story, but I'd bet you've written them off as trolls.Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker44
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07-16-2022, 05:56 AMMimilu
For me, I actually kind of liked EW's Melee Role Quest; We got to take charge of a group vs being told what to do and acting like the almighty janitor. Plus, the Company of Heroes didn't annoy me. >w>
As for the rest:
-The Physical Range was okay but I found it kind of weird that we were called in to deal with a flying Blasphemy but fight them in a cave/enclosed place and there was never really a point during the fight where our ability to hit a faraway was never needed. I did like that Gosetsu could find another way of fighting by healing.
-The Caster quest was okay but I honestly had to look up the questline because it was so forgettable for me. >x>()
-Didn't care for the Tank quest. I seriously think we need to deal the the Elementals at some point...
-Hated the Healer quest. In a world with magic and magitek, how could they do Arenvald so dirty with the whole career-ending injury bit? They couldn't even be bothered to animate his wheelchair; he moved around via scene transition.
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07-16-2022, 07:56 AMBunnycakeYou madman!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeeqbit
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07-16-2022, 08:40 AMDPZ2What a wonderful quest that was. A hint of scandal, a love story -- all set during a period in the past. Almost as good as a C-Drama. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunnycake
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07-16-2022, 08:45 AMKes13a
sometimes I have to wonder why the OP even still plays. They seem to be happy about... nothing.
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07-16-2022, 08:50 AMDPZ2It's a half-million XP while leveling alt jobs in Endwalker, pretty much like the 200K XP in Shadowbringers. It makes all the sense in the world to do those while leveling, since your 'job' is at-level with the MSQ at each point.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
Then again, some people zip through the MSQ so fast that they don't even consider a leisurely stroll through the expansion on more than one job at the same time.
I've currently got an alt doing that with Ranged, Melee and Magical DPS in Shadowbringers. They've just gotten through Il Mheg. Looking forward to the EW Role quests once I reach level 85.
Your opinions about the quality of writing are just that ... opinions. I've always enjoyed running through the things that don't have the World in the Balance depending on their completion. Reminds me of why I'm around ... not the Warrior of Light, Saviour of Worlds ... simply an adventurer answering the calls of common folk (for the most part). -
07-16-2022, 09:21 AMSilver-StriderIt's not like there isn't a whole thread that is going back and forth on how awful EW was in terms of its narrative so it's not a universal feeling. Many claim that SB had a weak story and no one really disagrees with that notion but with EW, there's a pretty divided opinion on whether it was good or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker44
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07-16-2022, 12:05 PMStriker44Yeah, but look at that whole thread and realize it's just the same small group creating an echo chamber amongst themselves, with a few other people disagreeing with them every now and again. Then, go to practically any other place like Youtube or even Reddit and you'll see overwhelmingly positive comments from a much larger variety of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silver-Strider
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07-16-2022, 12:35 PMYukikoKurosawaArgumentum ad populumQuote:
Originally Posted by Striker44
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07-16-2022, 12:50 PMMidareyukki"A larger variety of people", honey, they're content creators, that's barely diverse. Zepla for sure has nothing to gain from praising the game to high heaven, same as Drak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker44
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07-16-2022, 01:13 PMSilver-StriderEven the people that liked EW's story still agree that the story had many issues with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker44
Some people didn't like how Venat was portrayed and made her seem more like a Villain that condemned her people.
Some people hated how Garlemald was handled.
Some people felt the pacing was bad in some areas, Loporritis being a chief complaint in that regard.
Some people hated the Time Traveling aspect of the story (my friend swears that any form of Time Travel in storytelling is just lazy writing and hated Elpis with a passion as a result).
The list goes on. Whether you believe those issues were enough to make the story good or bad is entirely up to each individual but only time will tell if EW will be heralded as a good story or bad. -
07-16-2022, 02:38 PMZaniel
I didn't mind the 5 individual role quests, they were fine. However the final complete-all-5 wrap-up quest was a pretty wet noodle of a quest. It really went nowhere and I was fairly disappointed and I pretty much fanboy enjoy EVERYTHING storywise in this game, even the smallest sidequest (and including the EW MSQ).
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07-16-2022, 02:40 PMGrizzlyTankThe final role quest didn't go nowhere. It concludedQuote:
Originally Posted by Zaniel
As well as reinforcing that the lopporits are still providing housing.Nerva and the state of the 2nd Legion.
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07-16-2022, 04:42 PMZanielEh, at least to me that's a pretty offhand item for a big quest series, I didn't hate it, it just gave me no real sense of gravitas. The Omega mini-quest was MUCH better.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank
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07-16-2022, 09:07 PMYukikoKurosawaYet it didn't cover the plot hole of the final Melee role quest where the Blasphemy "sucks in the aether" of other blasphemies to empower itself, despite it being established both in the MSQ and the capstone quest that Blasphemies have no aether.Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank
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07-16-2022, 09:18 PMSetesh45
Probably an unpopular opinion, but imo 80% if not more of the quests in the game suck. Not because the plot is bad, but because the pacing is wrong, the ending often falls flat, and there's a huge amount of plot holes.
Good ideas, but bad execution, lacking animations, missing voice overs, I never saw what's so great about the quests in FFXIV. It sure does have some nice and emotional moments, but to get to those you have to go through a boatload of boring, sub-par questing.
FFVIII was my first FF game, a game released in 1999, the quests there are way more engaging than most stuff in FFXIV. -
07-16-2022, 10:31 PMLiam_Harper
I honestly forgot the role quests even existed. I haven't done any of them, nor am I really bothered.
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03-17-2023, 09:52 PMVyrerus
In general, I liked the NPC involvement in the role quests, and I did enjoy the melee one simply for the callbacks to the Company of Heroes.
Didn't really think they were well constructed, nor did they have good reasons for why each role was needed to fight each thing. They were definitely moreso for giving us stories with the city-state leaders of Eorzea, since Eorzea was largely absent from what was supposed to be a world spanning, ending threat.
All they really did for me was make me want Nero to join us in our adventuring, cause that dude can fight, and if he truly wants to be at the forefront of technological discovery, he should literally just strap himself to the WoL. Wouldn't even have to be using his discount Scouter on us in secret like in ARR.
Calling them role quests may more be an in joke for the dev team too. They were role quests not for our actual job roles but for a, "What role do these quests have?" -
03-17-2023, 11:01 PMVelKallor
Have you ever considered that you may be wrong?
Is a better question to be asked. Nowhere in your screeds do I see you admit that maybe your opinion is wrong. Thats all it is. An opinion. I disagree with you on every point, but thats MY opinion..YOU do not get to tell ME what is good and what isnt.
You are not the arbiter of what is good and bad, thank you. That is for each of us to decide on our own.
I have enjoyed it all immensely. Loved the rolequests, main MSQ was a blast, I have enjoyed the follow on , done ALL the sidequests plus Hildibrand..Im actually sorry that you arent having fun. But thats you, I guess.
Opinion, not fact. You speak for you...and no one else.Quote:
EW's storytelling has been pretty awful overall, not just in the side stories. So let's not pretend like the current MSQ is some shining bastion of quality writing. You might have been able to say that during SHB, but that's nowhere near the case since 6.0.
You would be far more credible if you accepted the fact that you are entitled to your opinion..and little else. Im sorry you dont like it, but what you dont like , others enjoy..so that kinda leaves us at an impasse..doesnt it?.Quote:
You can subjectively like EW if you want, but it's filled with objectively bad writing points, and if you want to say it isn't, you're wrong on an objective level. Again, like what you want to like, but your opinion on EW doesn't make the writing any good.
A gate empowered by Fandaniel, later not needed as we could attune to the aetheryte.Quote:
EW made time travel and space travel a joke by removing the immense amount of effort that it used to take to do it. Now we can just teleport to the moon cause... nethergate thing?
Venat was faced with an impossible choice..as Yshtola said in the Aitiascope, the sundering made it easier for us to interact with dynamis..we had to make this journey, to fight out way up, to learn to grow as Her children, for us to be able to face Meteoin, we HAD to be able to endure fear, terror, despair, Eitherys is laced with aether.Quote:
EW made the sundering a morally unsupportable act by failing to create a justifiable reason for it
Dynamis exists in the ABSENCE of aether.
Which is why those transformed could not be saved, they had no aether and thus, when they died, would not return to the Great Sea. She had to prepare us for this fight.
It made sense to me...and was also upsetting as Elidibus sacrificed himself to make that path, his time was done, Zodiark was dead, but even in the last extreme, his sense of duty demanded of him to make that choice.Quote:
Some people hated the Time Traveling aspect of the story (my friend swears that any form of Time Travel in storytelling is just lazy writing and hated Elpis with a passion as a result).
Remember what he said?
"At dutys end we will meet again...we will...we will"
Endwalker for me has been absolutely satisfying..if others didnt enjoy it, Im sorry to hear that. We all see things differently..at the same time, what you dont enjoy, others do. They arent wrong for enjoying it, either. -
03-17-2023, 11:22 PMMisterNubletReddit is garbage to use as a metric. It's a place where constructive criticism gets downvoted because how dare you say something could use improvement when their precious game is absolutely perfect. It's more of an echo chamber than that thread you mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Striker44
Speaking of the MSQ. It started off okay-ish. Not really bad, but not great either. Once we got to thirteenth shard, the quality has taken an absolute dive. -
03-17-2023, 11:22 PMFatalFatalis
One problem is that many questlines need to be inside a very restrictive structure that limits how the story is presented and how it develops. "All these sidequests need to be 5 quests long and only 5", "You need to fit 12 fights in your raid story", etc...
Though the writers try as hard as they can to work with what they have, there are many times where the pacing is a bit awkward or you can clearly see the things you are fighting now are just there because the structure is like that and the story doesn't really advance that much, if at all.