Does anyone else find a lot of the stuff on the mog station extremely expensive?

I need to ask because I never see anyone really talking about it.

Am I crazy for thinking 12 usd up to 18 usd for one outfit for a single character is just a bit too much? Is there something I'm missing?

It is too much, but if people didn't buy it at that price it wouldn't stick.

Much like how currency in mobile games is overpriced. People still buy it. :(

XIV is a cheap hobby. Yes, this is cheap.

I have no mogstation mounts, but a few outfits. Its cheaper than any other hobby I have.

My subscription is actually cheaper than it was when i started due to inflation.

Not really, I just get my mum to pay for it with her credit card.

Well it seems a little dumb that every emote isn't account bound.. that rlly should be for ppl but honestly seems "okay" priced but I don't know if id ever spend more than 30 a month on it

Not really. The pricing is pretty standard for most MMOs. For that matter, I appreciate just being able to buy an outfit and be done with it, and also not have to worry about when it gets rotated out of the store for fomo. Simply don't buy it if it's too cost prohibitive.

As for being character bound, I know some people like alts, but this game kind of discourages alts in many aspects. So that's not surprising, for that matter, a lot of games have character bound items such as this, with similar pricing: again standard.

Nope.
I pay about the same for a meal or brief experience for entertainment.

In relevance I get far more use out of a mount/glamour/emote than I do out of say, a shot of ritzy vodka on the weekend.

I think emotes are a bit too expensive.

Yes, it's ludicrously expensive. People rake non-MMOs over the coals for selling outfits for a fraction of these prices, or $6-8 for a whole character in a fighting game, etc. and those don't also have monthly subscription fees everyone is already paying. Other MMOs and gacha games that do have similarly priced outfits are "free to play." For the price of a mount you could buy multiple other video games as long as they're not brand new.

The reason you don't see people talking about it specifically is that people tend to be more focused on the argument of their existence than their pricing. People who are fine with them are fine with them at their current prices, and people who are not fine with them take issue with there being paid items in a subscription at all.

The big question is, why are subscription fees staying the same since launch of the game and since the dawn of MMOs? I mean there is inflation and higher cost for marketing and employees and all that since MMOs started but it is still only 12.99 most of the time.

So why is that...? Yes cause stuff like the cashshop exist. It's a nice way to allow "poor" people to also enjoy the game at low sub costs and gives players who pump the money for them into the company a neat reward in return.

Always remember, your sub fee isn't covering anything but the bare bare necessities. If SE doubles the sub fee and THEN still keeps the cash shop the same you can complain. But at this moment a huge part of the playerbase is only able to play this game cause the cashshop exists. MMOs don't make huge profits compared to other games, MMOs are costly to maintain and to think that all that has to be covered by a sub fee that never is actually changed despite any higher production costs or inflation is just insane on your part.

Also play BDO for a bit where outfits cost 50 bucks and almost all dyes are bound to the cashshop if you don't want to play for years to get the dye you actually need.

I have to multiply 3 or 4 to my currency so it's expensive to me regardless.

Yeah, some of the mounts and outfits are pretty expensive.
But hey whatev, thats what they chose to charge. This game does have sales every so often, I can wait for a sale and buy it cheaper.
Or if I get some expendable income and I want it enough Ill buy it.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

The big question is, why are subscription fees staying the same since launch of the game and since the dawn of MMOs? I mean there is inflation and higher cost for marketing and employees and all that since MMOs started but it is still only 12.99 most of the time.

So why is that...? Yes cause stuff like the cashshop exist. It's a nice way to allow "poor" people to also enjoy the game at low sub costs and gives players who pump the money for them into the company a neat reward in return.

Always remember, your sub fee isn't covering anything but the bare bare necessities. If SE doubles the sub fee and THEN still keeps the cash shop the same you can complain. But at this moment a huge part of the playerbase is only able to play this game cause the cashshop exists. MMOs don't make huge profits compared to other games, MMOs are costly to maintain and to think that all that has to be covered by a sub fee that never is actually changed despite any higher production costs or inflation is just insane on your part.

Also play BDO for a bit where outfits cost 50 bucks and almost all dyes are bound to the cashshop if you don't want to play for years to get the dye you actually need.

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I mean I don't think anyone was saying they have something against it..

Also BDO is a pure pay to win game- which is horrible-- you have to pay for everything on it. So we shouldn't be comparing it to "Korean mmos games" those are always horrible cash grabs


I think for mounts and outfits I'm like okay makes sense with the prices they have set.

However dyes, emotes, fan seems a bit expensive. "admit only 2 out of those interest me" However they do seem expensive, dyes due the fact they one type use, Emotes due the fact that just seems wrong to put emotes into cash shops, fantasia because I've been hearing how people are addicted it to them in my free company.

I guess it's relative. It's definitely too much for me, but anything over $1 for an item they can replicate a million times with no added effort seems absurd. But considering people will apparently pay out the nose for it, I guess it's NOT 'too much'.

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Originally Posted by CaptainCoral

I mean I don't think anyone was saying they have something against it..

Also BDO is a pure pay to win game- which is horrible-- you have to pay for everything on it. So we shouldn't be comparing it to "Korean mmos games" those are always horrible cash grabs


I think for mounts and outfits I'm like okay makes sense with the prices they have set.

However dyes, emotes, fan seems a bit expensive. "admit only 2 out of those interest me" However they do seem expensive, dyes due the fact they one type use, Emotes due the fact that just seems wrong to put emotes into cash shops, fantasia because I've been hearing how people are addicted it to them in my free company.

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I have the feeling the big problem people have is that the cash shop seems to be so bloated but for us people who play the game since it started it is not that big of a deal. When i started the game had nothing it the cash shop (almost literally). And then stuff got added with months and months of breaks between it. So it never felt like SE just produced only stuff for the shop but i can see how people who join today just see hundreds of items there without having experienced the actual time in which these were added.

It depends, is it overpriced compare to other games?
I don't rly think so.

Do I think it's too expensive for a game you're also paying a sub for?
Yes.

I don't find many of the single character items worth the price so I don't buy much. I got Lyse's outfit because I've wanted that for years. I might get a random emote that I really enjoy here and there. Mount prices for me are too high for just one character. I'm okay where they are if they're account-wide.

I dont mind it. nothing there is needed to play, which is nice.

most of it is "extra" if you want it or like it. or if you missed it in previous events.

yeah, I pay a sub, 50 cents a day. people pay more than that for their coffee, but lets bash the game for having a cash shop which isnt mandatory to use to play.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

The big question is, why are subscription fees staying the same since launch of the game and since the dawn of MMOs? I mean there is inflation and higher cost for marketing and employees and all that since MMOs started but it is still only 12.99 most of the time.

So why is that...? Yes cause stuff like the cashshop exist. It's a nice way to allow "poor" people to also enjoy the game at low sub costs and gives players who pump the money for them into the company a neat reward in return.

Always remember, your sub fee isn't covering anything but the bare bare necessities. If SE doubles the sub fee and THEN still keeps the cash shop the same you can complain. But at this moment a huge part of the playerbase is only able to play this game cause the cashshop exists. MMOs don't make huge profits compared to other games, MMOs are costly to maintain and to think that all that has to be covered by a sub fee that never is actually changed despite any higher production costs or inflation is just insane on your part.

Also play BDO for a bit where outfits cost 50 bucks and almost all dyes are bound to the cashshop if you don't want to play for years to get the dye you actually need.

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You are very wrong about everything except that BDO sucks.

MMOs with subscription fees are extremely profitable even with a small amount of players. It's the entire reason FFXI and WoW and 100 other games that came after the success of the original EverQuest exist. XI alone made more money for SE than any other game in the series despite being purchased by a tiny fraction of the number of people who bought games like X or XIII. The reason other ones "don't make huge profits" is because they failed; FFXIV is not a failure (well, 2.0 on isn't) and it's not barely paying for employees and maintenance costs like those failures.

There are millions of people paying for FFXIV every month. That's tens of millions in USD coming in every month. If there were 7.7 million players, it would be over $100m. Servers and dev salaries don't even come close to touching this amount of money.

The reason the cash shop exists is because some executives at SE realized that they have a partially captive audience to get more money from. People are attached to their characters, attached to the game, spend hundreds or thousands of hours of their time in it, and this makes it easy for them to justify spending more money on it than their subscription fee. That's the whole reason - they added paid items because they knew people would pay for it.

The reason they haven't increased subscription fees, in addition to the fact that they're already turning a massive profit, is that they know that price increases are received very negatively by subscribers. They are more likely to lose money by angering people than gain it by increasing fees.

tl;dr: Company does things for profit, not as some kind of charity to "let" you play the game.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino

You are very wrong about everything except that BDO sucks.

MMOs with subscription fees are extremely profitable even with a small amount of players. It's the entire reason FFXI and WoW and 100 other games that came after the success of the original EverQuest exist. XI alone made more money for SE than any other game in the series despite being purchased by a tiny fraction of the number of people who bought games like X or XIII. The reason other ones "don't make huge profits" is because they failed; FFXIV is not a failure (well, 2.0 on isn't) and it's not barely paying for employees and maintenance costs like those failures.

There are millions of people paying for FFXIV every month. That's tens of millions in USD coming in every month. If there were 7.7 million players, it would be over $100m. Servers and dev salaries don't even come close to touching this amount of money.

The reason the cash shop exists is because some executives at SE realized that they have a partially captive audience to get more money from. People are attached to their characters, attached to the game, spend hundreds or thousands of hours of their time in it, and this makes it easy for them to justify spending more money on it than their subscription fee. That's the whole reason - they added paid items because they knew people would pay for it.

The reason they haven't increased subscription fees, in addition to the fact that they're already turning a massive profit, is that they know that price increases are received very negatively by subscribers. They are more likely to lose money by angering people than gain it by increasing fees.

tl;dr: Company does things for profit, not as some kind of charity to "let" you play the game.

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I think you might confuse active players with the number they always put out there for PR. Which are the number of players in total.

It should be noted too that the irony is that people often end up spending more money on F2P games even than they do on games like FFXIV or just simple B2P games with no sub.
I'd rather have what we have here than have F2P where it's designed to make it mandatory to P2W if you want to stay relevant and where cosmetics are like 25+ euro ( or locked behind 100 euro pre-orders ) and a billion '' convenience '' stuff that is just stuff cut out of the game to make it more annoying and is sold back to you..
I don't think it's directly comparable, but I often see people justify the pricing in F2P games with '' it's optional ''.
As if the games aren't designed from the ground up to heavily nudge you into spending significantly more than you normally would.
Ultra greedy studios and publishers LOVE when people make that excuse, it's exactly the excuse they want people to make for it and to believe.
But the reality is that they intentionally design them to make people spend SIGNIFICANTLY more in the end and it's rarely in reality '' optional '' unless you want a shitty experience.

If you look at the market for more comparable games I'd say it's fairly standard in regards to pricing in FFXIV, often even a bit cheaper even.
I still think it's too much tho, I do think it's a bit ridiculous.
But I also think it's nowhere even remotely anywhere close to bad in the context of the industry currently and how much people actually spend on other games.
It's nowhere close to the level where I think it's a problem or where I feel bad about spending money in the store.
I think it's in sort of a middle-ground where yes they want to make money, but also they're not robbing you.
The greed isn't as in your face and super transparent as in quite a lot of other cases.

You’re right. $24 for mount? Hah, get real!

I treat mogstation purchases like a donation box. I don't hand SE $22 for some outfit. I hand them 22$ because for going on 9 years I've gotten the best MMORPG I've ever played for a fair price and I'd like to thank them. The outfit is just a bonus. Or the emote. Or $40 chocobo carriage.

Do you enjoy your meal and not tip the server?

Nope, have seen worse in other games. Imagine paying $20+ to *rent* an outfit for a week and $50+ to permanently buy it. Perfect World says hello.

I also am one who understands the process behind making clothing and mounts for video games. Depending on the complexity of the project, it can take anywhere from 30m to several hours to complete. $12 for potentially several hours of work isn't a lot of money.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

I think you might confuse active players with the number they always put out there for PR. Which are the number of players in total.

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I think they are also forgetting that FFxiv gets a budget from SE, not all the money they bring in to do with as they wish

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I think they are also forgetting that FFxiv gets a budget from SE, not all the money they bring in to do with as they wish

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Which is also how it works with every other publisher too, I mean where do people think the money for Overwatch came from lol?

FFXIV is a big money maker for SE, so they're going to use it to fund other projects too.
I'd love if FFXIV's budget was just all of the money it made but alas it's not how it works.
Same in other industries too, movies make a studio money and then those resources are spread out to make more movies.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

I need to ask because I never see anyone really talking about it.

Am I crazy for thinking 12 usd up to 18 usd for one outfit for a single character is just a bit too much? Is there something I'm missing?

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You havent been here long then. This comes up quite often - especially after a popular outfit/mount/etc gets added. Are you crazy? Yes. Are you crazy for not liking a price? Thats up to you to decide. Some people will drop $100 on nothing without blinking an eye, others feel the need to justify every dollar above the minimum needed to survive. I can tell you that ive never paid full price for anything on the mogstation, and until last summers anniversary sale i had never actually bought anything at all. I can also tell you that ive never really felt like i was missing out by not having bought stuff. Thats me.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

I need to ask because I never see anyone really talking about it.

Am I crazy for thinking 12 usd up to 18 usd for one outfit for a single character is just a bit too much? Is there something I'm missing?

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Yes I do, but on the flipside Yoshi-P isn't standing behind my computer chair with a shotgun pointed at my head while he forces me to enter my CC details into the mogstore. My wallet is sitting over there next to my car keys all safe-n-sound.

Some of it is wildly over-priced but whoaaaaaaaaaa I just don't buy that stuff. Hell, I only buy about 1/10th of the stuff that costs $2 let alone the $30 stuff.

EDIT: I do agree that mogstation purchases not being account wide is completely garbage greed/oversight though, in digital goods that sort of thing is just deliberately screwing customers when you don't have an excuse. I ain't buying 3 copies of some glamour.

I'm from Brazil and we don't have regional pricing, so they are expensive as fuck. A mount is 1/10 of the minimum wage LMAO
For you americans I honestly think that the price is ok.

Still way cheaper compared to some games.

It is but them people buy it so sadly this will stay.

It is worth it. Back when it was first added they said they would be able to use the money for adding things like more housing.

Oh wait. They are lieing sacks of shit whoever said that.

What!? It was Yoshi P who said that?

Crazy

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

It is worth it. Back when it was first added they said they would be able to use the money for adding things like more housing.

Oh wait. They are lieing sacks of shit whoever said that.

What!? It was Yoshi P who said that?

Crazy

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Sadly, it seems like that money is getting taken out of 14 to fund absolute rock star banger hits like Babylon's Fall, in an attempt to make another multiplayer success instead of... y'know, focusing fully on improving the one they've got.

A cash shop in a game where we not only pay a monthly subscription, but also have to purchase the full priced game (plus expansions) is garbage, period. I don't care if "it's just cosmetics!! it doesn't affect gameplay! stop being poor!". But as long as people keep buying, and they do, a lot, it'll keep existing.

Cash shop is bad. People buying into this crap is the reason it exists. Just say no!

For a subscription MMO, the cash store is both expensive and too large. The only saving grace is the lack of direct integration into the game client that the majority of other MMOs, including WoW which always got a lot of criticism for it's store, have. If/when Square ever add the store into the game directly, people will very quickly change the mostly positive opinion people have of the store.

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

If they "copied" SWTORs systems with which once you buy an outfit you can once inside your collections pane in game pay a little bit more to unlock it for the entire account I think a lot more people would be willing to buy ff14 store items for sure.

It would have to be a pay once deal with FF14 as they dont primarily have a cash to mmo currency system like SWTOR has with which you buy "coins" in SWTOR , as their crysta system is an outdated alternate system.


Eg: IN SWTOR a new XYZ named Armour appears in the Cartel Market It costs 2400 Cartel coins , so either you buy in game using their market window ,the amount of cartel coins needed or rather add to your coins balance (you do get some free each month as subbed plus a bonus with a account security key) or you buy via steam store ( vbad btw dont do it if u play swtor) or direct from their main website in your account.

Then in your collections once you have worn each piece of the set its added to your collections for that character , inside the armour section in your collections there is an option to pay 200-600 depending on the "tier" of armour skin you bought to unlock it for your account


I guess SQE could make it so you need to buy their Crysta gems as a way to unlock for the account but that would be annoying as you need to buy the store items with credit/debit card then use the same payment method to buy an additional crysta which would be silly .


If they had a account collection system in place so that all cash shop outfits, emotes, toys and mounts were account wide i think the "is it expensive" question would be harder to answer . It is a little as it stands now on most items

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I cannot believe someone brought SWTOR in to this as a "good" example.

sure, it has that system, sure its "okay"

but SWTOR also recycles the collections you pay for, but OH, look, this time the button is green instead of blue. the shoulder plate is black instead of camo.. these are considered "different" items for your collection, and if I recall, there are "bonuses" for a complete collection set. to get the bonus of course, you have to complete the entire thing, so they suck more money out of you, especially if you are into being a completionist. lets say the base set costs 2400, so around $20 real money. thats the cost of pretty much ever set. then the weapons, well, a lot of those are loot boxes if I remember.

sure, the sharing is nice, but it is an in your face cash grab unless they changed it from when I played. and I somehow doubt they have.

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Originally Posted by Johners

For a subscription MMO, the cash store is both expensive and too large. The only saving grace is the lack of direct integration into the game client that the majority of other MMOs, including WoW which always got a lot of criticism for it's store, have. If/when Square ever add the store into the game directly, people will very quickly change the mostly positive opinion people have of the store.

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Doubtful. A couple people will be mad about it, maybe make a couple forum threads, but people will largely praise SE for making it more 'accessible' most likely, and more people may even purchase items.

You guys have to get lost of this 2007 one time buy and 13 euro monthly sub model, that is over, now you have to be happy that the shop JUST includes this, particularly in a MMO.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I cannot believe someone brought SWTOR in to this as a "good" example.

sure, it has that system, sure its "okay"

but SWTOR also recycles the collections you pay for, but OH, look, this time the button is green instead of blue. the shoulder plate is black instead of camo.. these are considered "different" items for your collection, and if I recall, there are "bonuses" for a complete collection set. to get the bonus of course, you have to complete the entire thing, so they suck more money out of you, especially if you are into being a completionist. lets say the base set costs 2400, so around $20 real money. thats the cost of pretty much ever set. then the weapons, well, a lot of those are loot boxes if I remember.

sure, the sharing is nice, but it is an in your face cash grab unless they changed it from when I played. and I somehow doubt they have.

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also after buying the outfit in swtor u need to pay again to unlock it account wide it is ofc not the same price but still so u pay like $20 for the outfit then have to pay 2 to10$ to unlock it (the price depands on the gear its from 50 CC to 800 CC)