Ocean fishing has been around for years, but I've only started this recently. I am not claiming to be an ocean fishing expert... hell, I'm not even that good a fisher. But I do think I put in some good thoughts about it, and managed to write up a guide for it. Hope this will help anyone who still hasn't gotten the glowing shark mount yet!
http://ffxivrealm.com/guides/novice-...e-tsukino.222/
When I was picking up Ocean Fishing, I looked up many guides on Reddit, and I had a lot of trouble understanding them. Some even contained conflicting information, which I found confusing. It's probably due to my inexperience and slow learning. But if I have trouble understanding them, I would think some people would feel the same too. Meanwhile, guides that are outside Reddit appeared to be too simple, and just didn't contain critical information about how to make the best use of Spectral Currents. And then there are many good videos on Youtube, but sometimes I just want to have a list of information on hand to read rather than going through a video... Lulu's Tools is great, but without knowing the basics of Ocean Fishing, I didn't know how to use it... So here's my two cents with a simpler guide. I hope it gives the basic information for someone to learn Ocean Fishing from scratch, meanwhile being comprehensive enough to help one achieve 10,000+ points in a single voyage. I have also included some basic information to use Lulu's Tools...
If you find any error in the guide, please kindly let me know so that I can correct them.
Thanks!
EDIT (7th Aug 2022): I had been continuously updating the guide throughout the past 2 months. While I was becoming more experienced, the guide was also becoming more sophisticated. As of today, the guide has evolved into something that can cater both novice and expert fishers. It first introduces the basic concepts to new fishers. It then covers some complex analysis of routes/areas/time frames for rising fishers to achieve maximum point yield per voyage. Then it eventually explains the 5-star fish game and provided some strategies for endgame Ocean Fishers.
Special thanks to the veteran fishers, Tyo'to Tayuun (Tyonto) Fruity Snacks & King Canadane, for sharing their knowledge, inspiration and passion in Ocean Fishing, which contributed to the continuous shaping of this Ocean Fishing guide.
Novice Ocean Fishing Guide by Caimie Tsukino
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06-08-2022, 08:13 AMCaimie_TsukinoNovice Ocean Fishing Guide by Caimie Tsukino
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06-08-2022, 08:15 AMSilverbane
This is the only form of fishing I haven't tried yet. I don't think my spouse has either, but they fish way more than I do.
Anyway, given how well your previous guides have been crafted, I look forward to reading this new one. -
06-10-2022, 06:59 PMACE135
I just read a bit in your guide. Seems quite good I think. But what do you mean with "Registering can ONLY be done immediately (within 1 to 2 min) when a new vessel is about to set sail."? As I remember you have 15 minutes to register. When it was new content, most people registered seconds after it was available and after that you had to wait to get 24 players. But after the 15 minutes are over you get in with however many people are registered. Even if it's just 5 players.
But I haven't done ocean fishing for a long time. Maybe they changed it in the meantime? -
06-11-2022, 01:07 AMCanadaneNo you are correct, you can register for the boat anywhere from the top of the hour it's available, up until 14:59 after.Quote:
Originally Posted by ACE135
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06-13-2022, 06:09 AMCaimie_TsukinoQuote:
Originally Posted by ACE135
Thanks for letting me know! I have corrected this in the guide.Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
I have also added 2 more sections to the guide.
So now it provides more info about bonus, as well as some of my personal insights. -
06-25-2022, 12:40 PMCaimie_Tsukino
Recent Update:
- Previously, on my 5th voyage, I got my 10K score from a single voyage and obtained the shark mount.
- Now, after 30-ish voyages, I got 20K score from a single voyage and earned the title "Master of the Sea" (twice in a row in 2 back-to-back runs).
https://i.imgur.com/c1kFlEg.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5RsTfpZ.jpg
I (1) documented the experience in my guide, (2) made some adjustments to my recommendations, and also (3) added a chart for white scrip earnings with respect to ocean fishing score. -
07-07-2022, 07:10 AMCourtney
Silly question... What does Snagging do for Ocean Fishing? I notice you mention it a couple of times and I've never heard it before?
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07-07-2022, 03:22 PMfulminating
I don’t think snagging does anything in ocean fishing. I’m almost certain I have caught spectral currents without it?
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07-07-2022, 06:54 PMCaimie_Tsukino
Snagging supposed to let us catch things that don't "bite". So I assumed things like oysters or kelp might need snagging. When I just started Ocean Fishing, it was one of those little things that cost nothing to do, but better have it active just to be safe. Further looking into the matter, it seems irrelevant since nobody had found it to be useful in any way in Ocean Fishing at all. Apparently, oysters and kelp can still be caught without snagging. So I think I'll scratch that out from my guide in my next update. Thanks for bringing this up!
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07-12-2022, 09:17 PMFruity_SnacksYou do not need snagging at all in Ocean Fishing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
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07-13-2022, 03:59 AMCaimie_TsukinoYeah, got that part fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fruity_Snacks
Also added some recent updates, such as alternative baits for Spectral Fish -- the baits in brackets below are also found to be able to catch Spectral Fish in the corresponding areas:
The Ciedalaes — Ragworm
Northern Strait of Merlthor — Ragworm (or Krill)
Southern Strait of Merlthor — Krill (or Plump)
Bloodbrine Sea — Krill (or Ragworm)
Galadion Bay — Plump Worm
Rhotano Sea — Plump Worm (or Ragworm)
Rothlyt Sound — Plump Worm
https://i.imgur.com/0DRXpxy.jpg -
07-13-2022, 05:42 AMCanadane
From my understanding, almost all fish, including Spectral can be caught with any ocean bait, or the versatile lure.
There's just a preferred bait to each. The fish will take less time to bite if it's a bait it likes lol.
There's a few specific fish, usually high point value ones during spectral currents, and all the Fishers Intuition fish that can only be caught with a specific bait. -
07-13-2022, 09:51 PMFruity_SnacksThis is correct!Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
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07-15-2022, 02:40 AMTyonto
Firstly these are my opinions/personal recommendations (except on Snagging), but backed up by extensive testing.
Lulu's Tools:
- It should be mentioned that the bite times on Lulu's Tools are Teamcraft times. It says so on the site, but what this means is important. Teamcraft's bite times are from packet capture, while most players if using a timer are using macros. There is an inherent discrepancy from when Teamcraft starts counting for its timer and when macros do.
- Lulu's Tools also has some erroneous data in its bite times. TC's pcap tool just messes up sometimes and ocean fishing has a lot of errors in its data.
- Filtering by bait (changing from "All baits" to a specific one) should be mentioned to get the most accurate bite time, if relying on Lulu's times. In the spectral current this isn't that necessary for high-value fish, but it is absolutely for the normal zone (outside the current) and low-point high-yield fish in currents. Doing this still does not provide a fully accurate picture.
- I can explain this more in depth or prove it if you want, but will not right now for brevity. You can click on the spreadsheet which Lulu's links at the top which has bait-specific bite times for all of the fish using macro timings to see the differences. I can also explain these if needed.
Bait to spawn a spectral current:
- Krill is the best bait for Galadion. Krill has a significantly reduced bite rate on Tarnished Sharks, which can have a >30s bite time. Plump Worm has a very high bite rate on them while having a 0.2% higher Spectral Megalodon bite rate than Krill. This means that Krill overall gets you more Casts for the Spectral fish and the difference in bite rate is so negligible that Krill ends up being better.
The only exception to this is if the weather is Showers, in which case Tarnished Sharks don't bite so use Plump Worm. Since Showers only occurs 5% of the time, Plump Worm is a worse baseline recommendation.
Snagging:
- Snagging categorically is not needed. It's something you either flat out need to have on to catch a fish or you don't; it doesn't do anything else but potentially add a fish to a catch pool or allow you to catch maps. You can tell that no fish in ocean fishing requires Snagging because in the Fishing Log they all say "Special Conditions: None." If a fish requires it, it will say "Special Conditions: Yes."
The Special Conditions flag is only for Snagging and for the final four fish needed for the Skybuilder's fishing rod.
Points:
- If the goal is 10k and we are assuming the audience is Lv 90, saying that the goal should be to spend all your GP on one fish is not the most efficient advice for each stop. In some it's detrimental.
-10k is easily achieved through use of TH/DH on low-point high-yield fish like Merman's Mane/Ghost Sharks, Titanshell Crab/Mythril Boxfish/Jetborne Manta, Silencer, Oracular Crab, etc. This is "easier" than relying on high-point fish due to the difference in commonality. This is true even if the goal is 20k, provided there are multiple currents.
Pre-current strategy:
- I've mentioned this elsewhere and you've seen it but overall this is risky but stated here is viable. Recommending it for the first stop specifically is where it is most viable especially if the goal is 10k.
- Since P2 is recommended, the audience will be under Patience for a long time at least once. If recommending either version of Patience, that Spectral Butterfly/Sea Bo/Discus and Shooting Star/Ginkgo Fin are all Precision Hookset should be mentioned.
After current strategy:
- It's worth mentioning targeting fish for voyage missions rather than raw points unless in an extremely unfortunate scenario where it's not realistically possible to finish, but if prioritizing it throughout it's not difficult to finish all three pretty much every time.
- The normal zone is so low point that it is not worth investing GP for points until the end of the route, especially such a large amount. It's more worthwhile point-wise to target voyage mission fish if necessary/available, intuition trigger fish if not, afterwards. Investing so much GP will only be a net gain (and a marginal one) if there's no current at all, and finishing voyage missions will be a larger gain on average.
Best fish:
- This does not appear to factor in bite rates.
- Pretty much every bite time is inaccurate. I'm not going to detail them all but every blind TH/DH opportunity is off. The spreadsheet Lulu's links has the timings or I can explain them in more detail.
- Every high-value fish can be blind TH/DHed except for Aetheric Seadragon and Bartholomew the Chopper.
The Ciedalaes:
- Day: Devil's Sting is better than Callichthyid; it is higher raw point and has a higher bite rate. It can be as easily blind TH/DHed because of its bite time.
- In general: DH-IC-PC-TH is terrible to use here. Aiming for multiple TH/DHs makes this stop at least decent and potentially extremely good, on Meandering Mora/Devil's Sting depending on Time or on the low-point DHx4/THx7 fish. Titanshell Crab is the most viable low-point high-yield option (Mythril Boxfish/Jetborne Manta are too, and whether you deviate from Titanshell should be based on your missions/how difficult it will be to finish them at subsequent stops and time left in the current). Titanshell/Jetborne/Mythril can all be blind TH/DHed. All of these can bite on any bait but have specific preferences.
Northern:
- Sunset: Coral Seadragon can be blind TH/DHed. It is better than The Fallen One unless using Patience in the current.
Bloodbrine:
- Night: Skaldminni is much lower point that Quartz Hammerhead, but Quartz is so extremely rare (~5% bite rate) that it might be worth going for if you are close to your point goal and is a safer baseline recommendation.
Galadion:
- Day: Casket Oyster and Nimble Dancer have no overlap. It is not worth DH-IC-PC-TH on Casket Oyster; if it bites first use GP on it then aim for multiple TH/DHs. If Nimble Dancer bites first, then DH-IC-PC-TH.
Southern:
- Day: Not worth DH-IC-PC-TH Mythril Sovereign from how low-point it is. Worth mentioning Great Grandmarlin and TH/DHing it if you can Mooch.
- Sunset: Don't necessarily have to DH-IC-PC-TH though you can. Sea Nettle is high-bite rate and so are Roguesaurus. Sea Nettle's relatively low point yield compared to other high-value fish makes it worth going for multiple TH/DH on either of the 2 fish here.
- Night: Makeshift Bait is highly useful. Aetheric Seadragon can bite from 3.5 - 6s and is more likely at 3.5 - 4s. It always overlaps with Shipwreck's Sail but if wanting to TH/DH then there is a time that is "safer."
Overall:
- The low-point high-yield fish aren't bad and are viable options, but shouldn't be DH-IC-PC-THed and should just be TH/DHed. It is good to recommend switching to spending GP on them at least 45-60s through a 2m current to have the GP go towards something that is still good but just not the best, and if you get good large-sized RNG can be comparable. Every x4DH/x7 TH low-point high-yield fish can be blind TH/DHed.
This allows you to potentially still spend GP on a high-value bite if it's late. Ultimately this does mean that the point ceiling is lowered when you do this, but when the goal is just 10k it's overall safer than waiting until the end and increasing odds of just spending GP on trash.
- The Ciedalaes is not a bad area; it is both good and very reliable if you don't use DH-IC-PC-TH. It is also a great stop to make huge progress towards voyage missions in, which is incredibly useful if your third mission is high-yield and the high-value fish in subsequent stops are not of the bite strength it's for.
Voyage Missions:
- All of the three ocean fishing baits can catch every fish in the normal zone except for the Fisher's Intuition fish. As it's phrased it sounds as if this is not the case.
For both the voyage mission highlights I mention and the low-point high yield fish, I detail them a lot in this guide: https://guides.ffxivteamcraft.com/gu...fishing-points
The voyage missions, in both the Voyage Mission section and in the guides for each route. For what I mean about the low-point high-yield fish being good/easy to target and worth considering especially if the goal is 10k, it's also highlighted in the stops for each route.
For a guide for novices I'm not suggesting you go into this much detail, but more linking it to express what I mean about how voyage missions can relatively easily be targeted, and the viability of the other fish. -
07-15-2022, 05:30 AMICountFrom0
So, I use the afore mentioned lulu's tools:
https://ffxiv.pf-n.co/ocean-fishing
Thing is, while I'm able to sort out a tiny bit of the stuff on there, I can't figure out how to do anything more complicated then just the most basic run.
I have no idea how to even LOOK for the runs that might give the achievements, much less actually do them.
I know this tool shows the rare fish that I've not yet collected, but I don't know how to do that with it.
I don't even know WHAT a teamcraft time IS, or why it matters.
Before having read your guide, I'm hoping at least some of this vast ignorance is filled in.
Course, you managed to get me to understand CRAFTING so... there's hope, maybe?
(reminds me, I need a macro to swap fishing and spear fishing back and forth) -
07-17-2022, 07:48 AMCaimie_TsukinoThank you for the extensive information! It's a lot to take in, so I'm gonna have to read and respond to it bit by bit.Quote:
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Indeed the bite times are not totally accurate. But at least they provide good references. However, if we're to filter by baits to get the most accurate bite time, I think it'll drive most novice fishers crazy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
Thank you for your advice here. I shall try this out myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
Yes, I agree on this. Thanks.Quote:
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I think it's definitely worth mentioning about the advantages of using TH on crabs/fugu/sharks during Spectral as it is definitely great for fulfilling the mission objectives while getting a ton of points. However, it doesn't change the fact that landing on the 'best fish' with a combo will immediately get you 3K to 5K points, which is probably more than fulfilling a mission objective + the pts earned from the TH on crabs/fugu/sharks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
Wait, Precision Hookset for '!!!' Spectral fishes? I thought all '!!!' should use Powerful Hookset, and so far, that seems to work out quite well for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
I think the best fishers will very quickly integrate information, and determine a way to get the mission objectives done. It really comes down to how many fishes they're asking for the objectives. If it's a lot, spending GP on Spectral fish for the mission is probably a good thing to do. However, this is not always. This sort of judgements come from experience, and I think for a novice fish, this is not something that can easily grasp on. So I think it's probably easier to get people start with focusing on high point fishes during Spectral.[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
Yes, they are inaccurate, but it's ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
Doesn't Devil's Sting has similar preferred bait of Krill, same '!!', and similar bite time as Titanshell Crab, Mistbeard's Cup & Flaming Eel? I though it'd be rather hard to distinguish it from the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
Meanwhile, Callichthyid & Jetborne Manta are both Plump Worm and '!!!', which can be easily distinguished from the rest, and both are ok to spend GP on. For a novice fisher, these '!!!' fishes would be a easier choice than trying to catch Devil's Sting, right? -
07-17-2022, 09:16 AMTyonto
First thanks for taking it into consideration. I hope I don't come across as hostile/rude; I'm just person-who-collects-a-lot-of-ocean-fishing data and is passionate about it and teaching people that it is not as difficult to do well in it as it seems. So I appreciate you creating something to help people who are new.
I would agree with this in terms of telling people they have to do it. The point I'm trying to make is simply to mention it because as the bite times display it is providing a flat-out wrong picture in most circumstances, making things seem harder and more unapproachable than they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
The non-ocean fishing baits which are usable and Versatile Lure create longer bite times. To my knowledge Lulu's does not include Versatile timings in the "All bait" data but does include the non-ocean fishing bait which is usable in the spectral currents.
An example of what I mean: "All baits" displays Titanshell Crab/Mythril Boxfish/Jetborne Manta with a 2-6s bite time. If you filter the baits individually you see 2s for Ragworm/Krill/Plump Worm and the only time you see the 3-6s bite times are on Versatile/Squid Strip.
Squid Strip is only relevant when fishing for Hafgufa, which is likely beyond the scope of a novice fisher trying to score and not at all in the scope of the guide. If going to continue to use Lulu's timings, accounting for every discrepancy like this is overwhelming, I agree, but I believe it is good to at least state since by default the site creates the illusion of bite times and overlaps that cannot exist when actually following the bait the guide itself says to use. Basically a "these are the times you see on the site but if you want a more accurate picture, you can do this."
In terms of raw points, yes. In terms of consistency and 10k practicality, no. But this ultimately boils down to: what is the point?Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
The intent appears to be "simplest way to get 10k" in which case, yes, what is stated is the simplest way in terms of player action. It is not the most reliable, nor is it the "easiest" from the standpoint of "how often can it be achieved" but it is "easiest" in terms of "effort the guide user needs to expend." So either is valid and the point appears to be to provide the simplest or second definition of easiest way to approach, which for a novice is sensible.
And again, this is assuming the goal is 10k. 20k still can be done without any high-value fish but also and just like 10k is more consistently done without complete reliance on them but would involve a more nuanced guide to actually get the detail across meaningfully.
Hookset use in ocean fishing is the same as in the overworld, which means it is based on the fish size. Just like in the overworld ! is Precision and !! is Powerful. !!! fish of green rarity of higher in ocean fishing are like big fish in that they can be either Hookset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
For Hooksets in general: A fish with an average size of <20im means the fish will confidently be Precision and an average size of >30m will confidently be Powerful. 20~30im is a bit of a grey area.
There are six ocean fishing fish in total which are Precision. The one I didn't mention above is Seafaring Toad, which is beyond the scope of this guide, but yes the five mentioned are also all Precision.
Here's some applied tests done:
https://i.imgur.com/ybgxHc1.png
The Spectral fish in general have a pretty high escape rate so even using the correct one they have a decently good chance of getting away but all of the above have average sizes in-line with being Precision Hookset fish as well.
Devil's Sting requires Krill, has a !! bite but bites much later than Titanshell Crab or Mistbeard's Cup. Flaming Eel is a !! bite whose bite time overlaps with it but it is not available when Devil's Sting is. Flaming Eel is Sunset, Devil's Sting is Day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
This table is showing accurate macro-based timings:
https://i.imgur.com/re7Pxj5.png
The blue highlights are what the fish is most likely to bite on (or the required one, not account for Versatile Lure), the green ones mean the fish can bite on that bait but they have lower bite rates.
On any ocean fishing bait: Titanshell Crab is an "instant" bite which displays as 2-3s, stopping exactly as your macro timer hits 3s and Mistbeard's Cup is 3-4s, but won't bite exactly when your macro hits 3s. Devil's Sting starts biting much, much later and does not overlap with them in any way.
The example with Titanshell and Mistbeard's Cup's timings is a good example for most of the low-point high-yield DHx4/THx7 fish and how they can be blind THed, but it might appear difficult (but in practice is not really). But, in text this difference is both difficult to explain properly and so is difficult for novices to grasp, so I would agree that trying to get this across in a guide aimed at novices is not worth going into detail on and keeping it to the easy one of Jetborne Manta is appropriate but it can bite using Krill too.
Devil's Sting bites so much later and has both a higher point value and better bite rate so I think this is worth mentioning. However, if going to continue to use Lulu's timings and/or not explaining theat at face value they don't express how they can be blind TH/DHed, the Callichthyid recommendation is the second version of "easier" stated above, so is sound if that is the approach being taken, but brought it up to highlight that Devil's Sting is flat-out better and also still very easy. -
07-17-2022, 06:27 PMCaimie_TsukinoWhy would Fallen One be better if using Patience? Patience or Patience II would forbid us from doing safe TH in the combo, right?Quote:
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That is good to know. I shall try this out myself soon. Thanks!Quote:
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You're right that the two's bite time should be able to be distinguished. But Casket Oyster seems to be the 2nd best choice already if one cannot get a Nimble, right? On that sense, spending DH-IC-PC-TH on it isn't so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
Day: Mythril Sovereign is the only good fish that can be caught without Mooching though. Great Grandmarlin is great, but since it requires Mooching, it would mean unable to do the 1650 GP combo. It'll be at most just a Hook (Hi-aetherlouse), Mooch, TH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
- Sunset: Sea Nettle is pretty high points though. If one can land a DH-IC-PC-TH combo on it. It'll be 1248 + 2184 = 3432... Roguesaurus is pretty easy to get, hence, I definitely agree on spending GP on it if one can't get Sea Nettle in time... Perhaps someone can just spend on the Roguesaurus without even thinking about Sea Nettle too.
- Night: Yes, indeed. It helps!
I do find Ciedalaes having some potentials at times (there were a few times I got about 3K from Ciedalaes alone), but it's definitely not something as straight forward as combo-ing on Funnel Sharks or Floating Saucers. It takes a bit more thoughts and juggling. It can be a great area to use TH on crabs and fugu as well during a Spectral, as those comes in "7". But overall, I think if we are teaching the novice fishers to use the "DH-IC-PC-TH" strategy, it is relatively inferior comparing to Bloodbrine, Rhotano, Rothlyt and Galadion. So labeling it as "bad" isn't wrong on that context.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
Thank you very much for the info! Definitely very useful for me!Quote:
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07-17-2022, 07:24 PMCaimie_TsukinoNot at all! Seeing you with fewer than 10 posts made on the forum, but writing up such a long, informative, detailed reply on this thread, my spider tingling sense told me that you are a very experienced fisher, and you definitely know your game! I am just a newbie here. I think I (and a lot other people too) can benefit from your experience!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
Dude, this is GOLD! This is important information and precious data that may rectify a common misconception! No wonder I kept missing the Shooting Stars and Ginkgo Fins! I did get them eventually with Powerful Hook, but the failure rate is horrendous. If I had known this earlier, I'd have a much better chance of catching them! Similarly, the Seafaring Toad has been ultra-elusive, and I failed sooo many times before finally getting it today:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
https://i.imgur.com/wFjVEB9.jpg
If I had known this earlier, I might have gotten her much earlier!
And I cannot believe the Spectral Sea Bo, Butterfly and Discus favoring Precision instead of Powerful! Did you obtain these data yourself by testing? The advantage of using Precision is gigantic! And it's so hard to believe that HALF of the Spectral Fish would be favoring Precision instead! I need to make a note on this definitely. In fact, it's information that is very critical to the WHOLE ship's crew when trying to spawn Spectral Current!
I see now. I should definitely include the recommendation of Devil's Sting for Daytime of Ciedalaes! Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tyonto
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07-17-2022, 09:58 PMFruity_SnacksNot that I have much more posts, I will validate and back anything Tyo says as Very Good Information™ .Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
Guy literally wrote the book on Ocean Fishing. -
07-20-2022, 10:52 AMCaimie_Tsukino
Some recent successes in terms of catching Spectral fish under Patience/Patience II using Precision Hookset instead of Powerful Hookset at Ciedalaes and Northern Strait.
Tyonto's advice in terms of Precision Hookset for Spec in these areas is working well for me so far!
https://i.imgur.com/4sFEEPS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/QKG4cpZ.jpg -
07-20-2022, 11:38 AMCaimie_Tsukino
Btw, the PLACODUS EXISTS!!!! :D
https://i.imgur.com/O8MH4nd.jpg
I have to thank Tyonto for reminding me the power of Makeshift Bait!
Btw, I know Snagging doesn't do anything... But ever since I took it off, I had been having a streak of terrible voyages. But when I put it on, something good happens. I then took it off again, and I was bumping into walls everywhere. Then I put it back on, and luck seems to be on my side again. Call me superstitious, but since Ocean Fishing ultimately requires a lot of luck, there's no point to fight with a lucky charm. I'm gonna keep that lucky charm on me! :P -
07-24-2022, 05:02 PMHasrat
Hanging sentence under the "How do you register or check sailing schedule?" bit, third point just ends with "Although registration"
I've also put off this Ocean Fishing stuff for a while, so a guide is nice. And this does sorta help a little bit. But, feels less useful to me, not being 90 with max GP. So, hopefully I can either adapt, or might just have to put off the biggest scores for a while. From the sound of it, tho, the mount/minions ought to still be within reach, if I'm clever. -
07-24-2022, 06:06 PMCaimie_TsukinoDefinitely got distracted there by something when I was updating the guide! LOL!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hasrat
Thanks for pointing it out!
I have also recently added new chapters about Intuition Fish (including the 5-star blue fish), and updated some of the older sections. -
07-24-2022, 08:24 PMHasrat
I suppose I can say this is a success story, after parsing some information and trying to follow along, managed to hit 10k first try. It was kinda a bad voyage overall, really. Or, at least, bad luck for me, not managing to get much worthwhile. I think the only thing that saved me was getting lucky on Double Hooking 4 large Floating Saucers.
Not bad, but still mulling over how best to balance GP usage. I can see how that's maybe the most critical part of the whole thing. Feels smart to try not being capped at all, and probably trying to keep Hi-Cordials used close to cooldown perhaps... Patience sounds good for building stacks, but.. hm. Maybe Chum is just too much gambling... -
07-28-2022, 04:57 PMCaimie_Tsukino
I have caught 4/7 of the 5-star blue fish so far.
After happening 3 times, I can confirm that even after the Intuition buff expires, one can still catch 5-star fish as long as the Cast was made before the Int buff expires.
That is to say, similar to how Patience / Patience II works, the Int effect actually remains active as long as the Cast was done before the Int buff timer hits zero.
I feel like there's a need for the developers to change the Intuition buff's expiration animation a bit. They really should just make its expiration animation to be like Patience / Patience II, which the buff logo remains there until your final Cast catches or misses something. Currently, when the timer hits zero, the buff logo falls off, and it's VERY VERY misleading. Even if I have made a Cast before it expires, I thought I'd have no chance of getting a 5-star fish. But that is clearly NOT true!
You can see from my pics below. Both cases, I caught the 5-star fish LONG after the Intuition buff had expired. In the second pic, my final Cast was made when the Int buff had only 3 sec left. Clearly, the fish bit AFTER the Int was long gone.
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07-28-2022, 07:05 PMACE135
I don't necessarily think it needs a change in the buff's animation but rather an information to the player that it's always the time of the cast that matters. It's the same when you want to catch a timed fish and make the cast 1 second before the time window closes and you could still catch it 30 seconds after the window closed as long as you make the cast before the window closes. It's the same "mechanic" but for that there is no indication at all unless you know it.
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07-30-2022, 01:40 PMDikatis
When would it be more worthwhile to use Patience over Double Hooking and Triple Hooking? Fishers I've met explicitly avoid Patience to save GP to hook the best fish for big points.
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07-30-2022, 02:46 PMHasrat
Personal thoughts, maybe not great, still learning:
Open with Patience II at the start of the voyage. This lets you start building anglers stacks, and also lets you pop a cordial, while the large fish you're hopefully reeling help with points. Opening with Patience feels safe, assuming a spectral won't be spawning immediately.
Patience I feels viable to use in the last, say, 2 minutes of any location, assuming a spectral is unlikely to spawn in that last stretch (sometimes it might, tho...). This can help burn off some GP if you're sitting too high, and/or gives opportunity to use stacks to recover GP if you're capped on those.
Patience I may also/alternatively possibly be viable at the start of a location, for similar reasons, if you're staying on top of keeping your cordials popped on cooldown.
I wouldn't use Patience II in either of those scenarios, just to maintain GP hovering in the high range and generally being prepared for spectral to pop.
But also I'm only 80 and missing TH and Prize Catch, so, ymmv. But, personal thought, nobody is really "saving" GP if you're sitting capped on it. Keep that recovery ticking. -
07-31-2022, 01:32 PMCaimie_TsukinoI agree with Hasrat, but it can be even more complicated than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dikatis
Theoretically, when OUTSIDE Spectral Current, it's better to have Patience or Patience II active in order to collect Angler's stacks. BEFORE the The large fish are also worth more points. DURING a Spectral Current, it's usually better to cancel any active Patience or Patience II, so that you can be free to use DH or/and TH.
Theoretically, your Hi-Cordial is also supposed to be constantly on cooldown, which allows you to use more of it. And your GP gauge should never be full, so you can constantly earning more GP. This maximizes the GP you can spend on during the voyage.
However, in reality, YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHEN THE SPEC WILL BE SPAWNED! That means any time you spend GP to use Patience, it's a gamble. And any time you use Patience II, it's an even bigger gamble! Because the worst thing that can happen, is to use Patience/Patience II, and suddenly a Spectral pops! That means your investment of GP all turns into bubbles. Not only do you not have enough GP, your Hi-Cordial could be on cooldown, you probably haven't earned enough Angler's stack yet either, and you're "fxxked" because you can't have enough GP to spend during the Spectral Current. Because you always want to have enough GP available during a Spectral Current (ideally at least 1650 GP), so that you can use your strongest combo on your most desired fish during Spectral Current.
So how can one minimize the risk?
1) Plan ahead of time to decide when to invest GP on Patience or Patience II.
E.g. if your trip is going to be like this (the fish listed below are the proposed 'best' ones that you are aiming to use your '1650 GP combo' on during Spectral Current for each area):
The Ciedalaes (Ragworm for Spectral Fish/Current)
Nighttime: Bad… Plump Worm 2-6s !!! for Jetborne Manta, 75 pts, DH 4x, TH 7x [525 pts per TH]
Rhotano Sea (Plump Worm for Spectral Fish/Current)
Daytime: Plump Worm 5-8s !!! for Executioner, 216 pts, DH 4x, TH 7x [1512pts per TH]
Rothlyt Sound (Plump Worm for Spectral Fish/Current)
Sunset: Krill 6-9s !! for Knifejaw, 465 pts, DH 2x, TH 3x [1395 pts per TH]
... then clearly, the first area's spectral isn't that great anyway. So you might as well do Patience II at the very beginning of Ciedalaes (and immediately use a Hi-Cordial), and gamble for the Spec NOT to be spawned early in that area. If it DID spawn early, it hurts, but it doesn't hurt as bad. You can still pull together whatever remaining GP you have and try to spend as much as you can. It's clearly more important to save up enough GP for the 2nd area's Spec and 3rd area's Spec.
By contrast, another e.g. If your trip looks like this:
Galadion Bay (Krill [or Plump Worm] for Spectral Fish/Current)
Sunset: Plump Worm 4-11s !!! for Funnel Shark, 213 pts, DH 4x, TH 7x [1491 pts per TH]
Southern Strait of Merlthor (Krill for Spectral Fish/Current)
Nighttime: Bad… Ragworm 2-4s ! for High-Aetherlouse, then mooch for !! Aetheric Seadragon, 245 pts (TH 3x) (CANNOT use Identical Cast or Prize Catch, can only use Triple Hook... sad...)
Rhotano Sea (Plump Worm for Spectral Fish/Current)
Daytime: Plump Worm 5-8s !!! for Executioner, 216 pts, DH 4x, TH 7x [1512 pts per TH]
... then clearly, it's more important to have enough GP in the 1st and 3rd area. So I wouldn't start off with Patience II. I'd instead start off with Patience in that first area of Galadion Bay (and without using Hi-Cordial, so it's available any time if the Spectral pops).
Rotano Sea, Rothlyt Sound and Galadion Bay are areas which we usually refer to as "point areas" since they have higher potentials in getting more points during a Spectral.
Ciedalaes is slightly weaker, but can still be pretty good sometimes.
Southern Strait is definitely NOT a "point area". It has very little potentials for getting points.
Therefore, while it's good to keep using Patience/Patience II/Hi-Cordials/avoid GP gauge being full, it's even more important to be fully prepared for "point areas". Make sure you do NOT deplete your GP right before a Spectral in a "point area".
2) About management of GP AFTER a spectral (just as Hasrat mentioned), as well as taking Mission Objectives into consideration.
Should you be using Patience/Patience II after a Spectral to regain stacks, ready for the next area's spectral? Or should you be spending GP to accomplish mission objectives? This will come down to what objectives you got for the trip, and what is the best "fish" for those objectives. If the mission objectives are very demanding, you may even need to consider spending GP during Spectral Current, just so you can catch 7x large fish (that contributes to mission objective and get points at the same time) with a single Prize Catch + Triple Hook to conserve GP. This part of "GP management AFTER Spectral" or even "during Spectral" highly depends on the players' experience to make good judgements.
E.g. If your route is:
Southern Strait -> Galadion Bay -> Northern Strait
... and yet you have a mission objective of catching "13 Jellyfish or Crab".
Very quickly look through Lulu's Tools, and you will see that there is NO crab in Southern Strait, but there is "La Noscean Jelly", which you can potentially catch 7 using Triple Hook.
This is really great, so perhaps you should think about spending GP early in Area 1 on this instead of immediately going for Patience II. But let's analyze further before making that decision...
Now, if the Spectral pops here at Southern Strait, will there be Sea Nettles available since that is another kind of Jellyfish? If it's not Sunset, then Sea Nettles are not available, so that is even better to spend on La Noscean Jelly.
How about Area 2? Well, there's no Crab nor Jelly in Galadion Bay.
How about Area 3? Well, there's Net Crawler outside Spec, and there's Bartholomew the Chopper during Spec. However, if the time frame is nighttime, then perhaps you plan to go after "Mopbeard" instead of "Bartholomew". So you will be using Krill instead of Ragworm. That means you should catch most of your Jellys or Crabs BEFORE you arrive this Spectral of Area 3.
So for me, perhaps I'll start off Area 1 by trying to catch a La Noscean Jelly first, Identical Cast it, Prize Catch, Triple Hook it. If I'm lucky, that'll take care of 8/13 Jellys already. Then I'd regain some GP, and use Patience to grab some Angler's stacks. Hopefully, the Spectral spawns late or never spawns, then my Hi-Cordial will be available again in time.
However, if Sea Nettles are available during the Spec of Area 1 (only Sunset), then I'll consider gambling on those instead, since they are the highest point value fish available during Spec of Area 1. So Sea Nettles can fulfill both POINTS purpose and MISSION purpose. So I'll start off Area 1 with Patience to quickly prepare the Angler's Stacks, and forget about spending GP on La Noscean Jelly.
If a Spectral is spawned early in Area 1, that will mean plenty of time to regain GP before Area 2. So if I didn't catch Sea Nettles during that Spec, I'll definitely try to execute a Triple Hook on La Noscean Jelly AFTER the Spec in Area 1 to get more Jellies before Area 2. However, I need to think ahead and check Area 2 (Galadion Bay). If it's Sunset which Funnel Sharks are available, or it's Daytime which Nimble Dancers are available, I wanna make sure I go into that Spec of Area 2 with full GP. By contrast, if it's going to be nighttime in Galadion Bay, then I don't really care if I blew every single bit of GP before entering Area 2.
Then in Area 3, I will consider catching some Net Crawlers. If my mission is fulfilled before the Spectral, I may use Krill during Spectral for Mopbeard. But if my mission is FAR from done, then I will consider using Ragworm for Bartholomew during the Spec. If the Spec is done, and I'm still far from completing the mission, then I'll keep fishing for Net Crawlers and spend GP on those.
Here's another e.g. If your route is:
Ciedalaes (Daytime) -> Rhotano (Sunest) -> Rothlyt (Nighttime)
... and yet you have a mission of catching "13 fugu" and a mission of "39 !".
39 is a daunting number, so I don't even think too much about this until later. If I can get it along the way, sure, but if I can't get it along the way, I won't waste my GP on that mission. It's more important to make sure I have GP for Spectrals. After all, completion of a 3rd mission is only 10% bonus (so only as few as 800 pts even if you have a base score of 8K), while being able to catch the "right" fish in a Spectral is easily worth ~3K to 5K pts.
Triple Hook on Metallic Boxfish in Ciedalaes is NOT a effective way of getting fugu since it only gives 3 yield. However, since Ciedalaes isn't exactly a great "point area", it's actually OK to spend a bit of GP early in this area as a small gamble.
So I may gamble for a late or no-spectral here, by investing GP on Triple Hooking Metallic Boxfish ONCE very early in Area 1. Then very quickly use Hi-Cordial. After that, I can use Patience to slowly build up Angler's stacks.
Alternatively, I can pop Patience early in Area 1, and save enough Angler's stacks, and then spend some GP on catching Mythril Boxfish during Spectral here. Mythril Boxfish comes in 7 per Triple Hook, so it's a much more GP efficient way of meeting the objective. However, this also means fewer GP to spend for Jetborne Manta or Devil's Sting.
So before making that decision, I will look into the remaining areas...
For Area 2 (Rhotano), there are some good opportunities for fugu. There's Lampfish outside Spectral, and there's Silencer during Spec. During Spec, Sweeper, Executioner and Floating Saucer are NOT available at Sunset. So that means the Silencer is one of remaining best choices there anyway. So I might as well blow my GP on Silencers there, as it will give 7 yield per Triple Hook.
For Area 3 (Rothlyt), clearly there are also plenty of opportunities for fugu. Outside spec, there's Crow Puffer Fish and Honeycomb Fish, which Honeycomb Fish has a nice 7 yield on Triple Hook. This is a fish I will consider using GP for mission. During spec, there's Pearl Bombfish (which happens to be the best choice for points as well) and Garum Jug.
All these fugu will also fulfill the other mission for "!". So investing on any fugu with yield of 7 from Triple Hook is definitely a smart way of spending GP.
With these considerations, I probably won't spend GP in Area 1's spectral on Mythril Boxfish. I'd probably spend GP on Jetborne Manta or Devil's Sting instead.
It's a lot of information to go through your head within a few seconds at the beginning of a voyage when you receive your missions. But with experience, it'll come naturally. This is the same kind of "skills" that we DoH and DoL acquire along with playtime. I had the same "training" when I was doing Expert Recipes as a DoH. At the beginning, I need 5 to 6 min to do 1 craft, now I need only 3 min per Expert craft. I can very quickly make those decisions on the spot. -
08-05-2022, 04:37 AMDikatisI'm sorry for the late response! Thanks for the detailed and passionate reply to my question. I'm sort of the unofficial "fishing mentor" on Gilgamesh given how I talk about it the most and invite sprouts to go ocean fishing, so you've given me a lot to think about when I'm giving advice and making callouts. Keep being awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino
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08-05-2022, 09:02 PMCaimie_TsukinoThank you for your kind words!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dikatis
I think there's a difference between teaching new sprouts vs rising Ocean Fishers. Most new sprouts have a tendency to blindly blow their GP for mission objectives whenever they catch a fish that matches any of their objectives. But what they don't realize is the importance of saving enough GP for earning points during Spectral Currents, which completely outweigh the points from mission objectives. Along this learning curve, sprouts will then learn to save GP for Spectrals, but then, soon they run into "blindly" saving GP for Spectrals, so there's too much time which their GP is untouched. They also don't realize some Spectrals don't have as much point potentials -- some Spectrals in certain areas at certain time frame are just NOT that great. So there's no need to be overly cautious about saving GP before those area's Spectrals. Only until after realizing that, and only after understanding the unique features of each area, then one will start to understand when is a good time to blow GP outside Spectrals to accomplish the missions while having enough GP for the "best fish" during Spectrals. (This was also my own learning curve.)
However, for a new sprout to learn, it's better to take things step by step. If we "jump" the steps, and try to teach new sprouts to improvise a voyage by quickly analyzing its areas/time frame, available fish during and outside Spectrals, and its missions to decide on where to spend GP, I think they will likely just be overwhelmed.
In my "Novice Guide", I deliberately standardized the recommended procedure to always start with Patience II at the beginning of a voyage. I think it's easier for new fishers to pick it up that way, so they would understand how to collect Angler's Stacks before a Spectral Current, and I emphasized the importance of having enough GP for Spectrals rather than missions. It's indeed far from an ideal strategy for expert fishers, but it'll do well for sprouts to pick up the game more easily. -
08-07-2022, 06:46 AMCaimie_Tsukino
Finally, I got the Stonescale, and I put it in my FC house's fish tank!
https://i.imgur.com/RcGX3tY.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/4v67yTI.jpg
ALL 7/7 blue 5-star fish are caught!
At this point, I have caught every possible fish in Ocean Fishing, and I have officially joined the "club"! :)
I have kind of reached the end of this minigame (I am not interested in the group achievements that require pre-formed parties or the 3 million pts achievement). But I may try to catch another Stonescale for my own house before slowly retiring from it. This Ocean Fishing minigame certainly goes a lot deeper than I originally thought. It's really been a fun journey!
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08-07-2022, 07:33 AMCanadane
Congrats, welcome to the club!
Love fishin'. Hope 6.2 gives us some neato looking fish. -
08-07-2022, 01:24 PMCaimie_TsukinoThank you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Canadane
My daughter gave me this home-made shark soap today as a gift for celebrating my catching of the Stonescale shark :P
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