What will happen " First "
Will Samurai 6.1 changes and/or Kaiten removal Feedback get acknowledged and addressed?
Or will 1 or more of the following in the list below, happen first...
- MogStation purchasables - Adventure Plate Features
- Next Live Letter
- UI and HuD updated
- Visual Graphics update
- Hrothgar/Viera head glamour fixed
- New Job releases
- Reaper gets buffed
- New Savage Dungeon
- New Gold Saucer mini-games
- FF7 Remake 2 releases
- Sanctuary releases
- We get in-game Chat Bubbles
- Thancred dies
- Machinist gets buffed
- All of MSQ from ARR to EW can be done with the Trust system
- Kick/Ban function implemented for home owners
- Happy 2023
- FFXVI (16) releases
- Urianger dies
- More new Hrothgar Mogstation hairstyles
- New Expansion released
- Female Hrothgar releases
- All normal Dungeons, Trials and Raids can be done with the Trust System
- Y'Shtola gets stuck in the lifestream, again
- Function to deny in-game Friend requests without the Busy status
- The usage of the words parse/barse/color-shopping becomes bannable
- Blitzball gets added to the game
- Next Deep dungeon releases
- Blackmage gets reworked
- Immediate apology for reworking Blackmage
- Blackmage rework changes gets reverted immediately after
- All Extreme and Savage difficulty content can be done with the Trust System
- Kingdom Hearts crossover event happens
- FFXIV Emotes added to in-game chat and Mogstation
- Happy 2024
- Alisaie dies
- Whitemage gets more damage skills
- Square adds first ever lootbox to the Mogstation
- We can place limited NPC's with limited dialogue text in our houses
- All Crafting skills are replaced with just 1 button per Crafting job
- All Gathering skills are replaced with just 1 button per Gatherer job
- Ultimate's can now be done with the Trust System
- All jobs except BLM can only Auto-Crit now
- New hunting log added
- Alphinaud gets married
- Implementation of in-game DPS meter
- FFXIV is now playable on mobile phone
- FFXIV becomes F2P with P2W features
- Summoner gets re-reworked
- Happy 2025
- Krile dies
- Kaiten Emote added to the Mogstation (works for all non-Samurai jobs)
- Square apologizes for Kaiten emote not working for Samurai
- Kaiten Emote now works for Bluemage as well
- Square buffs boob and bust slider
- All of the above happens
Not saying any of the above are good or bad events,
it's about " what's more likely to happen? "
Samurai (meme) Prediction, what will happen first?
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06-08-2022, 03:38 AMCelestiCerSamurai (meme) Prediction, what will happen first?
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06-08-2022, 04:32 AMReese_Clairdale
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06-08-2022, 08:37 AMRyuuZero[*]The Broken Kiku-Ichimonji gets added as a Katana Glamour to the Gold SaucerQuote:
Originally Posted by CelestiCer
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06-08-2022, 08:48 AMKabooa
I predict we'll get another Samurai thread.
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06-08-2022, 09:49 AMcjbeagle
All of the above.
Also, Riot's MMO launches and there's a mass exodus of people who are bored of braindead job design. -
06-08-2022, 10:09 AMKleeya
I predict countless new threads asking for 1 button combo in pve like in pvp, complaining about "button bloat", and how there is way too much different buttons to press in this game even for easy to play jobs like reaper.
And also at the same time, numerous others threads where people will not understand why jobs are becoming more and more braindead, why kaiten is not coming back, why drg did lose life surge in 6.2, and saying that absolutely no player ever did ask for that. -
06-08-2022, 03:49 PMbutchersblockI'm happy you're with us through thick and thin, reading the postsQuote:
Originally Posted by Kabooa
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06-08-2022, 04:14 PMCKNovel
What will happen first?
Kaiten restored orHyperblastHypercharge&Heatblast getting charges?
Both heavily requested, one has been for years. -
06-08-2022, 04:18 PMShurrikhan??? What is Hyperblast? There is Hypercharge, which has two charges (consumes 50 of 100 gauge), and Heat Blast... which is a GCD and thus has no use for charges (bankable recasts).Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
Do you mean Overheated and stacks, respectively? -
06-08-2022, 04:32 PMKurenXIVOne is an enhancement to a job, the other is a request to revert of a wildly unpopular change. They aren't comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
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06-08-2022, 04:42 PMCKNovelI guess I'm still in the process of waking up, but yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shurrikhan
The fact that Bloodweapon has been changed to charges but not Heatblast spam and/or Wildfire is confusing.
Especially when it's been requested since Bunshin got charges.
Anyway, both are job requests. I don't care much if they're comparable or not, it's just to meme on both being questionable job direction. -
06-08-2022, 09:52 PMLeonKeyh
Is there anything else that consumes gauge that has stacks like that? I feel like most other abilities that give stacks are cool downs so they don't need to worry about "double casting" and how that would work. i.e. if you use Hypercharge twice, does the second use reset stacks to 5 or add 5 stacks? Would be interesting if it added 5. Hell, you could end up with 15 stacks if that were the case (100 gauge + Barrel Stabilizer) </cope></hope>
Anyway, in response to the OP. Kaiten won't be back and Kenki generation will be lowered (halved) in 6.2 and potency on Kenki abilities will be increased. -
06-08-2022, 10:05 PMxAFROxNo, nothing that consumes gauge is on a stack cooldown that I'm aware of. And if they did exist, they'd do what anything else on a stacked cooldown does most likely, which is cancel out whatever you already had to be reapplied. Only real instance of that I can say for certain as an example is Aurora from GNB their regen becomes 2 stacks later, and those don't double up. Then there's Meikyo Shisui on SAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeonKeyh
As for the request to OP, we'll, probably a myriad of innocuous things will happen, most likely, idk -
06-10-2022, 10:27 PMdarkdylloni can see them mentioning it in 6.2s live letter, but that they're gonna double down on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CelestiCer
that Yoshi is immensly sorry for Kaitens removal and that he never saw this coming to this extend, but that Kaitens removal is essential in balancing the job, but don't worry, 7.0 is around 2 years for now, look forward to improvements to the job. -
06-11-2022, 12:35 AMxAFROxI can see that totally happening.... I don't want it to... but I can see that quite vividlyQuote:
Originally Posted by darkdyllon
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06-11-2022, 12:51 AMBRVV
Resiliance triggering on command but Meikyo Shisui Effect will not
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06-11-2022, 04:37 PMKariousThat's practically telling everyone playing samurai to go fuck themselves. Good way to lose a lot of paying customers.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkdyllon
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06-11-2022, 07:46 PMdarkdyllonvery true, but at the same time, Yoshi-P knew this was gonna be an controversial change, he said so in the live letter leading up to 6.1, he asked us to play with it and give it some time to sink in, which basically tells me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karious
"i know the community loves Kaiten, but this skill makes our job harder, so screw them ... away it goes!" even though Kaiten could've been repurposed to fit their balancing fantasy since a lot liked it for the animation, flavour and ofcourse the kenki management aspect it provided.
you'll never see anything this bad happen to black mage, because Yoshi actively plays that, i know this is 1 of those conspiracy theories, but let's be real, was Black Mage ever in an rough spot outside what the job always was ment to be? an turret/cannon that does a lot of damage, has it never provided just that? (maybe when Summoner was massively overtuned in Shadowbringers and it topped the charts easily, but that's not black mages fault, that's the balancing team behind Summoners fault) -
06-12-2022, 01:01 AMKabooaShadowbringers and Endwalker have both reduced turret status by a significant degree. You almost always have a slew of movement tools at your disposal . Most players aren't going to consider that "Bad", but Endwalker Blackmage is ranking 4 out of the 5 expansion iterations to this player.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkdyllon
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07-17-2022, 01:06 AMCelestiCer
We can definitely cross " Next Live Letter " off the list until the next one. Getting the feeling SE's gameplan can be reflected in this very well made video mhm, click below
*** " Dev's: I have altered the Deal, pray I don't alter it any further " *** -
07-20-2022, 04:04 AMKolsykol
The feedback has already been acknowledged and adressed.
They even delayed two reworks because of the negative response...
I think they either will return Kaiten and make it be what results in auto-crits which I'd be totally fine with.
Or there is some other underlying reason they'll talk about.
One thing I saw being brought up about why DRG for example is getting a rework is that DRG simply can't be added to anymore and it kinda need to be reworked so it can evolve in the future.
I am not sure how I feel about that but I can at least somewhat see the logic there, and I do think these are very complex issues especially since they like to add new stuff to Jobs every expansion.
At some point it becomes so much it's hard to add more to it ( and people already complain about too many buttons, keep doing it every expansion too ).
I am not saying it's a good or bad thing personally I don't have an issue at all with even more buttons and more added to it.
But it's not a black and white issue and I do think that if you want to evolve the game and keep moving forward then drastic changes are going to happen at some point.
I think the Kaiten thing may even have been prep for something else in the future and they just misjudged it and made the change way too early.
I think generally speaking if they're gonna push through big changes it shouldn't happen in increments, it kinda feels shitty to play something stripped down in preparation instead of the completed thing all at once.
Sorta the same issue with SMN too, I think current SMN has potential to be great but it's unfinished.
So maybe the SMN rework should simply have been delayed too until it was complete like it'll probably be in the next expansion. -
07-20-2022, 04:46 AMCelestiCerFlawless logic, except they didn't address any 6.1 SAM changes directly or any of our feedback " at all ", cause it's all vague speculations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolsykol
AST and DRG could have been delayed for any feedback, SAM backlash feedback? or players fearing the SMN rework treatment. Who knows!
Job evolving apologist excuse amounts to nothing. They should have left jobs alone until they are ready to present new improved changes to replace older Job interactions with instead removing bits and pieces and leaving it for months or years.
Any Seigan enjoyers here remember Seigan?
Either way? No words were said by Yoshi or the Dev's to exactly address any of the feedback from 6.1 SAM changes to SAM specifically- Not Kaiten Removal
- Not Tenka Goken AoE changes
- Not Kaiten Removal affecting Resource Gauge management
- Not Why they even used the excuse of Button Bloat
- Not If any of the above were mistranslation? what was it then?
- Not the Backlash of Samurai posts on the JP forum since 6.1
- Not What future skills they were going to replace everything with
As for their new Asinine reasoning? " To address Damage Fluctuations " really?- NIN, with the highest singular damage hitting variance skill?
- BLM, as Nr1 highest fluctuating performing DPS job?
I would not settle for Kaiten returning to give us Auto-Crits either no.
I do not see any acknowledgement of anything 6.1 SAM no, call me a blind. And these changes weren't needed nor improved gameplay of anything, and if they had any future changes, by all means? I would love to hear it -> but apparently its no where to be seen.- no Acknowledgement
- no Apology of any sort
- no Address of anything
*** Summary? ***
No they did not acknowledge nor address any of the Samurai 6.1 changes nor it's negative feedback from multiple platforms from Twitch, to Youtube, to our Forums here or their JP Forums.
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Originally Posted by Kolsykol
- They specifically requested feedback
- Due to a specific patch update
- Of a specific job, Samurai
- For us to specifically try out
- That we specifically gave feedback back for
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07-20-2022, 07:25 AMCeridwenThat's so depressing, because it seems most likely. I doubt we'll get the 'sorry' part, though. More like, "We feel/data shows it's working better this way." And that's going to make a lot of people very, very *testy.* Me, too, because now my #2 Samurai is nearing 90, & it's so BORING. I mean, it is easier - but it wasn't hard to begin with, and I don't notice a reduction in button bloat, either. I still have annoying long cooldowns to put on irritating keys, so it didn't even help that.Quote:
Originally Posted by darkdyllon
I knew it felt flat from trying it on my already-leveled other Samurai - but now, playing that much more on her, it's painfully obvious. Flat. And I hate Shinten so deeply, so much. Kyuten is fine. But Shinten is a stupid, stupid, obnoxious POKE. Blasphemy, after the grace and purposefulness of Kaiten! And Kenki now feels so incredibly underwhelming, and too frequent. And makes me keep poking at things, which is so undignified.
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07-20-2022, 10:21 PMAlex1337
I think it’s more likely the core identity I.e cast times = big hits will be addressed first as there was a post I recall about them recognising the impact of job changes on their identity, though this wasn’t specific to SAM in any way.
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07-20-2022, 10:34 PMStasyaHow about you actually read live letter part of critical/direct hit adjustments that screams they double down on WAR/SAM auto crit which also screams SAM won't receive any revert.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolsykol
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07-20-2022, 10:44 PMLeonKeyhYup. My prediction is:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stasya
Crit/CH "adjustments" will be that any buffs/stats that raise rate will raise damage bonus for auto crit/dhs
Then, any abilities over a certain potency will auto crit/DH (600-800 is my guess) -
07-20-2022, 11:50 PMFlashy
I feel like every reason they could have for the awful changes to SAM in 6.1 have been debunked. I'm curious what they could possibly say for themselves that would make me feel at peace with the changes.
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07-21-2022, 04:22 AMLeonKeyhThe only thing that they could say to make me believe them would be "We didn't like the idea of bad SAM players losing out on a decent amount of damage just because they miscounted with their Kenki and didn't have enough for Kaiten whenever Midare came up."Quote:
Originally Posted by Flashy
A close second would be them HALVING Kenki generation (at least), doubling potency on attacks that cost Kenki, and claiming that they "wanted to decrease the number of buttons that SAMs press every minute."
A far third would be "The different between a non Kaiten, Crit, DH Midare and a Kaiten, Crit, DH Midare were too great and we wanted to bring in the damage range possible to fix a lot of the swing related to damage ranges." (Far because they didn't need to fix every portion of it, and I'm not convinced it was even a problem) -
07-22-2022, 09:14 PMHanayumiThey took out Kaiten to make guage easier to deal with now that its just used for mindless shinten spam, aka easier "Average" player since Sam was considered too busy of a job by Devs....Quote:
Originally Posted by Flashy
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07-22-2022, 11:38 PMVencio
-sighs & sips some Ishgardian Elezen wine-
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07-23-2022, 04:19 PMAvenheit
knowing the reliability of the devs?
3 options
A) Theres no comment, no changes. Just silence
B) they actually listen and revert the changes
C) They act like nothing is wrong and continue destroying class identities