Remove Lottery [POLL]

The lottery system is a complete joke with the real solution to add more wards and stop stealing homes through demolition.


VOTE:
1 - Remove Lottery
2 - Keep Lottery



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Without question my vote is to remove the lottery system completely and limit housing ownership to one per datacenter per account.

2. For all its flaws, it's still the most equitable and accessible way to distribute houses to the total player base.

So you prefer clicking a placard for X hours?

2 for sure.

2 For me, a lottery is infinitely preferable to the clicking minigame.

2 for me as well. The Lottery is doing what it was intended to do. It gives everyone an equal shot at personal housing. Too many people are conflating the issue of making access to housing fair with the lack of availability of housing. The Lottery was never intended to deal with the latter issue. The only way to deal with the latter issue is to drastically ramp up the number of available plots.

2 Stick with the lottery with some changes... it's better than the old system.

First change is one house per account period. Figure out an honest way to revert back the many houses that are owned by one person. If they can give houses away for a bug in the system then they can figure out a way to be fair about the changes in TOS which would remove all but ONE house per paying account period.

Second change, shorten the lottery timeframe. Nine days is a long time.. if you're looking to buy a house and then win it, you should stay on top of things. If you want a house, get your tickets in and if you win, get it finalized. No need for SE to give so much time to hold your hand.

Third change, stop turning off the demos of houses that aren't being used once a month. 45 days even during high que times is reasonable for ANYONE to get into their house at least once if they want to save it. Turning it off only hurts the ones that have never had a house and want one. Again SE should not have to hold your hand. if you want to keep your house, log in ONCE in 45 days.

Fourth, offer relocations again, but heavily limit it to once a year or some large amount of time. This would allow people to get into a nicer spot but not overwhelm the system with needless daily relocations.. I know why they turned them off completely because people were being a holes and relocating daily just to make people mad.. that wasn't fair, but turn them off completely I don't think was fair either. Once a year would at least allow you to get that view or get closer to your spouse without being unfair to others.

All in all I think the lottery system is a much fairer system then giving up the game to get a house for months. Plus for now, it cuts out the bots.. I saw four lalas win so many house and then just move to the next one, winning five and six a day at times... at least for now they can't do that.. although I am sure they will find a way to beat the system sadly..

1 or 2 both has huge flaws .. im going to go 3 remove housing and go to instanced housing with a few lots with yards scattered in major cities .. that is the only way their going to make it fair and just for all players ..

lotto can be exploited and the placard grinding is just as bad !!

honestly i got my house finally after the lotto 0 bug so yes im happy ..

but

this housing system has been a absolute mess from its introduction and i brought my first house a week after they introduced houses in the game ..

there is no way to solve housing issues ( unless its removed and changed to instanced ) reason: short story a few days before the lotto opened i was sent a whisper "would you sell your fc for 100mil gil " it was lvl 8 obviously with land purchase open at the time i just thought he/she wanted to buy a house and sent back " sorry no its not hard to lvl a fc to buy a house " i then later realized they were buying fc's that would be 30 days old with land purchase open in order to multiple bid on the same lot..

which makes sense nothing stops you having a alt and a different fc to multiple bid on the same lot to increase chances..

in fact this was confirmed on a you tube comments sections where someone had bid 8 times on a single lot using that method they all lost but the 8th bidder bid on the same lot but wrong sub division and won the lot !!

overall while it might not be the popular option but removing the current housing system is the smartest and fairest option !

2 If SE actually gets the stuff working the way its meant to, we are way behind due to the 0 bug.

2; I like it better than clicking on a placard. At least I give it a try now rather than feeling like it's a waste of my time spending hours clicking and competing against bots or full on groups of a FC to get a house only to either not get it or lose it to someone relocating and being a troll loling at the group who had been standing there for a while.
Just click and leave - tis nice.
I get that you could just try your luck and click for like 10 minutes and then leave and try again later, but that really lowers your chance if you weren't dedicated to get the house. It's far better just to put in a lottery and try your luck imho. If I don't get it, I can try again later - better than trying again later to do the same hellish clicking like before. So much wasted time..
Clicking at the placard really deterred me from trying again, I just gave up. Now I feel like I don't have to give up.

On the other hand, kinda sucks that you can't place your retainer next to the placard if you did get the house to make the bot(s) buy fish for millions now.

2 With the caveat I want them to rework housing to make it available to everyone.

2 but there could always be a better way to handle it

at least with lottery I have a chance unlike trying to out-click botters

Lottery has generated so much content on these forums... It would be a real shame to lose it.

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no time to explain, what doesn't need to be explained.

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The old system sucked. The only ways to get a house were to cheat or engage in dysfunctional behavior. I mean yeah, if you were willing to cheat or engage in dysfunctional behavior then your chances of getting a house under the old system were higher than now, because you were only up against other players who were willing to cheat or engage in dysfunctional behavior.

The lottery is great because it exposes how pathetically inadequate the housing supply is. With every personal house getting 10 or more bids on the opening of an entire housing district, the lottery has laid bare that housing is only available to 10% (or less) of the players who want a house and can pay for it. And this was at the opening of a district, when availability is unusually high. When the wards fill, any available house that pops up will have hundreds or thousands of bidders. Lotteries with 0.1% (or less) chance of winning will become the new normal.

Now that more of the players can participate in trying to get a house, a much larger section of the population will see its hopes crushed in round after round of lotteries with insurmountable odds. People who would not have even tried to participate in housing will now see failure week after week. FFXIV's ridiculously undersupplied housing system deserves all the hate it can get. The lottery will encourage more people to hate it, so it's a good thing.

With new NA and EU data centers coming in the near future, lack of housing won't be an issue anymore. Anyone who wants a house can just transfer servers to the new datacenters which will be free.

Moreover, with data center travel in 6.18, you can still play with your friends while having a house on another data center. Based on what is happening in Materia, there will be more empty plots than occupied plots so anyone who wants a house don't have a reason to complain.

I wish the system was better, but the lottery feels like the fairest system we have available atm.

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Originally Posted by C000kiemonster

The lottery system is a complete joke with the real solution to add more wards and stop stealing homes through demolition.


VOTE:
1 - Remove Lottery
2 - Keep Lottery



Developers watch these threads so make yourself heard!

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/ popcorn
/ popcorn
/ popcorn

People who pushed for lottery hard made this bed for us, why wouldn't we wanna lie in it now? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Waiting for the OP to either ask for thread deletion because no one is agreeing with them or to forever ignore it like this never happened

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The concept of lottery is fine. It just has to be much faster - like 24h lottery and 24h to claim the plot to speed things up. Also let homeless players bid on multiple plots to improve their odds through gil farming.

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The entire system sucks, and needs a complete replacement.

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Keep the lottery, the only way pressing one would be like if you are going to RMT on it!!

Also, reason for keep the lottery is: 1. Everyone got a fair chance, 2. people are not going to feel forced for clicking 48 hours in a row, 3. it reduces the use of 3rd Party botting, 4. it and with current system reduces RMT and real estate businesses.

I'd rather have housing gutted entirely & reimplemented into instances & remove neighborhoods- so option 3 if there was one
I do like that we don't have to stand & click- it's a 1 & done step deal BUT The ward division is awful.

The lottery is better than having to fight a click bot with the old system- truthfully though, the new system isn't much better at the moment, especially considering how the wards were divided into mostly FC wards & any private house that moves in the 1st 20-something wards is now an FC designated plot. Who thought that was a good idea? It's so stupid that it begs the question if the devs have ever participated in housing in any degree. Further proof they have not is the horrible house decorating system.

If there isn't a complete overhaul, I want them to add more private wards & add house demolition back asap.
Apartments are glorified FC rooms- but they have the exact same strict limitations! only 1 is 500k & the other is 300k. Can you guess which?
PS: I have a house- but there is such a huge demand for PERSONAL housing (not FC housing- that's why so many FC wards are still empty bc that's not where the demand is), I want housing resolved for everyone & made fair & fun.

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I'd rather they just fix the whole stupid, borked system, but if I have to pick between 1 & 2, it's no contest.

I'd be down for instanced housing more than these 2 options.

1. I dont like the lottery. The old system just needed some changes to prevent flipping plots 'too' easily, but I think players should still be able and allowed to sell them. Make a system where housing owners have a deed to the plot as an item, but the item becomes tradeable after like 6 months of ownership. That would heavily discourage quick flips.

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OP, you can't have a fair poll when you bait the introduction like that. The one inquiring needs to remain neutral so you don't taint the data.

"This thing sucks! Should we keep it? 1 for no, 2 for yes!"

LMAO brother, that's just silly. But, I get it. You weren't really in search of the truth. You were in search of support. Those are two completely different things.

Anyway, this thread is ridiculously ironic, because the truth is what you got, anyway. Despite the attempt at forcing bias, at the time of my post the vote stands at 3 in support of lottery removal, and 15 in favor of keeping it.

Sometimes backfires are pretty interesting to watch.

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Originally Posted by C000kiemonster

Developers watch these threads so make yourself heard!

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Indeed we did.

2 at least it beats staying up all night and clicking a pole while someone who's using a bot program can enjoy a nights rest with their PC still on but at this point they might as well try for an instanced set up cause things aren't improving.

2. I like it better than having to no life a plot against people who might have faster internet than me. That shit is scary. No thank you.

2, easily. It's a better and more fair system for all involved. And, contrary to what some people still seem to think, it was never going to "fix" the housing system, and it was never meant to fix the housing system. It's simply a better acquisition method than the one we had before.

2 Keep Lottery.

2. Keep Lottery
In my fantasy world, I would like to see:
Reduce FC wards to 1/2
Allow Relocations for FCs and Personals during a specific window of time between lotteries(no return of gil on relos, you want it, you pay full price)
Bring back housing demolition and leave it. If IRL is that bad.. your pixel house doesn't matter.
never bring back placard clicking

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Originally Posted by C000kiemonster

The lottery system is a complete joke with the real solution to add more wards and stop stealing homes through demolition.


VOTE:
1 - Remove Lottery
2 - Keep Lottery



Developers watch these threads so make yourself heard!

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Lmao people in this forum have been screaming for this exact lottery solution for like 2 years straight and as soon as they implement it, everybody hates it.

Honestly, I wish we'd just go back to the original method of just being first at the plaquard and buying the house immediately. But they got rid of that and implemented the random timer because people here were crying about scalpers. Now they got the lottery because people were crying about random timers. Maybe the method of acquisition was never the problem but instead the problem is not having enough server space to accommodate everyone.

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

Lmao people in this forum have been screaming for this exact lottery solution for like 2 years straight and as soon as they implement it, everybody hates it.

Honestly, I wish we'd just go back to the original method of just being first at the plaquard and buying the house immediately. But they got rid of that and implemented the random timer because people here were crying about scalpers. Now they got the lottery because people were crying about random timers. Maybe the method of acquisition was never the problem but instead the problem is not having enough server space to accommodate everyone.

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Lmao did you not look at the comments? Almost every single person said they'd rather keep the lotto.. might wanna try again on your bad opinions lol

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Originally Posted by not_ya_wify

Lmao people in this forum have been screaming for this exact lottery solution for like 2 years straight and as soon as they implement it, everybody hates it.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Lmao did you not look at the comments? Almost every single person said they'd rather keep the lotto.. might wanna try again on your bad opinions lol

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LOL. A very quick review of the data supports the second quote. I counted 4 votes to get rid of lottery vs 20 votes to keep it.
I have no idea how looking at this thread could lead to this conclusion: "HA! YOU FOOLS REGRET THE LOTTERY!"

The problem is that SE keeps trying to fix player behavior instead of addressing the extreme level of scarcity that is fueling it.
The lottery is a decent system, but it simply fails to address the main problem.

What came before it, however, was a big steaming turd. The placard timer was a horrible system which in addition to being horrible, also failed to address the main problem. 20 out of 24 people do not want that steaming turd back.

2 would be my choice.

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Originally Posted by Pablomaldito

The problem is that SE keeps trying to fix player behavior instead of addressing the extreme level of scarcity that is fueling it.
The lottery is a decent system, but it simply fails to address the main problem.

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theres also the fact that they made the scarcity problem even worse in the same patch they released the lottery.

lets be real for once, most people care a lot more for personal than for fc housing (and those that don't are very often fc leaders/officers). And in a way thats understandable, fc housing realistically means "the leader and his 2-3 best buddies can have all the fun while you get a place to chill" and well, you can still have a place to chill AND all the fun that comes with designing a house with a personal.

Now because the current system favors fc so heavily people feel ripped off, pretty sure everyone expected at least half if not 2/3 (for the simple fact that there are WAY less fc's than there are players) of the houses to be personal, so now they are pissed off that fc's get a ton of houses while there are now going forward even less players houses than before the patch and they connect this feeling at least somewhat with the loterry being implemented while its in fact a whole different issue.

I also vote for 2. I never had a chance to get a house before. Finally through the lottery I was able to secure myself a home.

But I would still prefer instanced housing as an option 3, even though I now got a house.

I want everyone to get a house.

2, absolutely. If someone is against the lottery I can only assume they planned to use a clickbot and don't like actually fair odds.

Seriously, in what world is a fair lottery worse than a system where you have to sacrifice your own wellbeing clicking on a plackered for 24 hours? Honestly...