Great Community Btw

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

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No

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What do you mean with "getting toxic lately"? It always was and always will be. Most People start shrieking the moment things dont go their way.

a lot more than usual I mean.

Ngl, I had a feeling the forum mod is nom'ing their bowl of popcorns somewhere as they watch all these new threads flooding the first page like wildfire.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

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This is what happens when moderators seemingly don't do anything and allows certain threads to continue.

Anyway, I didn't renew my sub and won't be back until maybe the next major patch. Still, I do feel sorry for those who have to keep subbing in order to keep their house

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

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Correction: This community has always been toxic. Just in a passive aggressive and coddled sort of way. People flip out over the slightest bit of criticism even if worded politely because how dare you ask a healer to DPS, a tank to use CDs or a DPS to stop being hit by everything. The GCBTW meme exists for a reason.

No such thing as a good game community unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

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Only a tiny percentage of players make use of the forums, and most FFXIV players are blissfully unaware of whatever drama-of-the-moment is taking place here. I do wish people wouldn't use this incredibly small vocal slice as a metric for the entire "community".

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Only a tiny percentage of players make use of the forums, and most FFXIV players are blissfully unaware of whatever drama-of-the-moment is taking place here. I do wish people wouldn't use this incredibly small vocal slice as a metric for the entire "community".

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see I like to believe that but this kinda of culture is already leaking all over twitter and even in certain parts of twitch and YT. I mean just look at how heated and malded Pyromancer was with this.

No joke, during one of my daily roulettes today I saw one member of the group rant about SE banning add-on users instead of bots. To be fair, it was only one comment and nobody else responded to it but its this self-entitled angry culture that while I understand comes from a passion for making this game better.... I just feel somehow got way into one side of the extreme and its tiring to watch.

I think this video here nicely outline the issue that people should be made well aware rather their overreactions over the actual problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4OPGYN6NGw

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

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I wouldn't say toxic. I think people are passionate on their stances of certain changes and issues.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

see I like to believe that but this kinda of culture is already leaking all over twitter and even in certain parts of twitch and YT. I mean just look at how heated and malded Pyromancer was with this.

No joke, during one of my daily roulettes today I saw one member of the group rant about SE banning add-on users instead of bots. To be fair, it was only one comment and nobody else responded to it but its this self-entitled angry culture that while I understand comes from a passion for making this game better.... I just feel somehow got way into one side of the extreme and its tiring to watch.

I think this video here nicely outlies the actual issue that people should be made well aware rather their overreactions over the actual problem. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4OPGYN6NGw

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In fairness, bots and RMT are arguably a bigger problem, and the task force is too small to deal with it all. Sure, both things are present in any MMO, but they do run rampant in FF XIV. And no, the Lodestone updates don't mean jack squat.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

This community has been getting so toxic lately.

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Oh you sweet summer child.

Yeeea gonna let my sub run out as well. Not because everything happening around this game and the game itself is a mess, but because this game has become stale once again.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

In fairness, bots and RMT are arguably a bigger problem, and the task force is too small to deal with it all. Sure, both things are present in any MMO, but they do run rampant in FF XIV. And no, the Lodestone updates don't mean jack squat.

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I dont often fully agree with you, but you are 100% correct. they need a FAR larger team and to use that shiney, virtually unused ban hammer on gil buyers. going after the bots will never work until they start cutting down the market for their product

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

SE banning add-on users instead of bots

self-entitled angry culture

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Zero self-awareness

You literally only post in the forums to complain about people complaining. Do yourself the favor and take a break from this hypocrisy.

Yoshi's statement has turned the community into the Balkans.

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Originally Posted by Minarisweet

You literally only post in the forums to complain about people complaining. Do yourself the favor and take a break from this hypocrisy.

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You complaining about somebody complaining about other people complaining in the forums. I hope you realize your own absurdity here.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

see I like to believe that but this kinda of culture is already leaking all over twitter and even in certain parts of twitch and YT. I mean just look at how heated and malded Pyromancer was with this.

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It's not surprising that people who participate in one form of social media also participate in other forms of social media. Most players do not watch streams, be it on Twitch or Youtube. The presence of a topic across various platforms is not an indicator that a majority of players are participating in or even aware of it.

You are likely to come across more people who are aware of who Pyromancer is when discussing it on social media. If you attempt to have the same discussion in-game, you're probably going to run into more individuals who respond with something akin to "who did what?". They just don't care.. these topics are not on most people's radar. The first page of this forum looks like the land of Eorzea is on fire because this is an echo chamber, not because it actually is.

This community has always been a cesspool.

Welcome to the internet, being anonymous and not punished for being a moron enables such behavior it's been that way for years. Thinking this is just FFXIV is being dishonest.
The bigger a "community" gets the more black sheep it'll have, simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

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I don't think there isn't a single community in the world that isn't full of toxicity, it's just how our monkey brains work.

People having different opinions isnt a cesspool, a circus, nor is it even slightly toxic.
I think people are way to quick to start crying once they realize they arent in a hugbox echo chamber and that needs to stop. Grow up a bit. You shouldnt want to control everyones thoughts to that degree that seeing someone have an opposite opinion of you makes you think they need to disappear. I have no idea whats going on lately that it's even like this. You know? When did we as a society get this insanely sensitive that we cant tolerate someone not agreeing with us?

Do I think the people freaking out and making intentionally obtuse statements about add-ons are overall annoying, yes. But do I think they're being toxic? No. They're allowed to voice what they think. They're not toxic for it. I'm guessing from their perspective, they feel like...because no one was punished for it to this degree before, then punishments should never happen. They know just as well as I do that yoshi has always said the same thing about not using them. They just dont like that their precious streamers who make money off their views and in turn expect us to kiss the ground they walk on-they just dont like that their lord and savior reaction channel streamers are being told no for once. They're losing sleep over it. and I'm sorry to hear that, but they're not toxic for crying. To them, their feelings of anguish are very real. and to me, well clearly I think thats all silly and that all anyone has to do is not stream and tell the world that they're breaking a rule. I'm not toxic for that either, even if you find it horrific. Even if you fall to your knees and scream to the sky "-but breaking rules on live television should be fiiiiiiiiiiiine!!!!" it still doesnt actually make me some terrible person. It means we disagree.

You will disagree with people your entire life. and if that's too much then well, that sounds a bit worrying.

This is a Great Community.
Just not on the Forums.

In Game, completely different.

Ive been here and in game long enough to see the difference.

I think that the problem is that people actually enjoy being upset about things, it goes beyond FFXIV too you can see it everywhere outrage culture is a very real thing and I think a lot of people don't even realize they're a part of it.
That said millions of people play the game, a handful of the same people going out of their way to be upset about something at all times is ultimately irrelevant.

It's the same names all the time, having the same negative circlejerk and having the absolute least charitable takes imaginable about the devs every single time.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

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You need to pay a certain construct in a certain lighthouse a visit. Since your math is really off.

But just to explain it to you...really slooooooowly:

The entire forums + all the people reporting streamers and whatever happens atm =/= the community.

But this is a common fallacy, you see it in streamers/youtubers too. "I got a death threat this community is so awful and toxic." I hope i don't have to explain why this kind of pigeonholing is a fallacy, you see a tiny fraction of a community doing bad stuff and thus you think the whole community is bad for whatever reason. Meanwhile the overwhelming amount of the community neither cares about this drama nor about you and the forums and just play the game.

But to give another example of how bad this kind of point of view actually is. Your conclusion is the same as saying "Oh america has so much gun violence, therefore all americans are violent lunatics." This is obviously not true, you just project a very loud minority of a certain group of people as the leading example of said group. We can put you also in such a conclusion btw., you are posting such takes on the forums thereby you have to be a troll. And maybe you are one, maybe you are not but i bet you would say you are not a troll. Which would mean you found a better conclusion than the one you had before.

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

I think that the problem is that people actually enjoy being upset about things, it goes beyond FFXIV too you can see it everywhere outrage culture is a very real thing and I think a lot of people don't even realize they're a part of it.
That said millions of people play the game, a handful of the same people going out of their way to be upset about something at all times is ultimately irrelevant.

It's the same names all the time, having the same negative circlejerk and having the absolute least charitable takes imaginable about the devs every single time.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

a lot more than usual I mean.

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Eh, have you been playing the same game as me? I am still trying to figure out how this game won best community award in the first place.

This community said I was a racist, cause I said I thought the developers have gotten lazy.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

This is a Great Community.
Just not on the Forums.

In Game, completely different.

Ive been here and in game long enough to see the difference.

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I suppose the forum users don't play the game.

It's the same community. The only reason people don't speak up as much in-game, is because they are afraid of getting banned.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I suppose the forum users don't play the game.

It's the same community. The only reason people don't speak up as much in-game, is because they are afraid of getting banned.

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Not what I said.
Im saying the Experience being online and playing the game, are different from the FFXIV Forums. There is a difference.

And nah, there are plenty of people who arnt afraid to speak their mind. These people are typically the High-End Raiders though.
I only ever really see them when running that level of content. But every so often they are in the Open world, in dungeons, Raids, and in Trials. Even the PF.
So its not like they dont exist, or they are "Afraid"

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Not what I said.
Im saying the Experience being online and playing the game, are different from the FFXIV Forums. There is a difference.

And nah, there are plenty of people who arnt afraid to speak their mind. These people are typically the High-End Raiders though.
I only ever really see them when running that level of content. But every so often they are in the Open world, in dungeons, Raids, and in Trials. Even the PF.
So its not like they dont exist, or they are "Afraid"

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The forums aren't even really "toxic". People are rightfully upset, about a modicum of issues recently. These are the official forums; somewhere to attempt to post feedback to the devs. A few troll threads by a couple people, aside. It's all completely understandable.

The thing a lot of people here confuse is what "toxicity" really is.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

Eh, have you been playing the same game as me? I am still trying to figure out how this game won best community award in the first place.

This community said I was a racist, cause I said I thought the developers have gotten lazy.

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I'm guessing because the in-game community is vaaaaastly different than all that crotchety folk that live on the social sites. The online community is absolute rubbish while the in-game community isn't the worst. Granted, I personally wouldn't claim this to be the best community, but then I've been living on the forums/subreddits since the beginning and I've seen far too much of the obnoxious side. Hard to separate the two at times.

We do think rather highly of ourselves though, and that in itself is incredibly annoying.

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

I'm guessing because the in-game community is vaaaaastly different than all that crotchety folk that live on the social sites. I'd say the online community is absolute rubbish while the in-game community isn't too shabby. Granted, I personally wouldn't claim this to be the best community, but then I've been living on the forums/subreddits since the beginning and I've seen far too much of the obnoxious side. Hard to separate the two at times.

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Again, people are just afraid to speak their mind in-game. That's why you see more passive-aggression in-game and feigned positivity. You should see what some of these people post, where they aren't afraid of repercussions.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Not what I said.
Im saying the Experience being online and playing the game, are different from the FFXIV Forums. There is a difference.

And nah, there are plenty of people who arnt afraid to speak their mind. These people are typically the High-End Raiders though.
I only ever really see them when running that level of content. But every so often they are in the Open world, in dungeons, Raids, and in Trials. Even the PF.
So its not like they dont exist, or they are "Afraid"

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I will usually speak my mind in game and risk a ban. I am sorry but if you are level 90 and you can't run a dungeon and do this crap right, that needs to be called out. How do you spend like 400 - 500 hours playing a game an not know how to play the game still. I am not even talking about being optimized either people get to level 90 and cannot play this game at a basic level. Sure you can blame lack of difficulty curve, or the devs for not teach you, but the finger you should be pointing is at yourselves. I just can't comprehend doing something for 500+ hours and not improving and understanding.

You can try to say its the high end raiders that do this, but it's not just them. Normal people that want to just play the damn game get annoyed by that crap too.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

I will usually speak my mind in game and risk a ban. I am sorry but if you are level 90 and you can't run a dungeon and do this crap right, that needs to be called out. How do you spend like 400 - 500 hours playing a game an not know how to play the game still. I am not even talking about being optimized either people get to level 90 and cannot play this game at a basic level. Sure you can blame lack of difficulty curve, or the devs for not teach you, but the finger you should be pointing is at yourselves. I just can't comprehend doing something for 500+ hours and not improving and understanding.

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They choose not to 'improve' that's why. They want to play the game their way, and if someone tries to question that, that's a report.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Honestly, I think we all just need to take a step back and look at ourselves beyond the clown makeup.

This community has been getting so toxic lately. We can argue, complain and moan about the stuff thats been happening lately but frankly I think we all just need to take a break from FFXIV and ourselves and go do other things.

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This small forum community is not a representation of the ffxiv community as a whole. This forum is a haven for trolling and complaining.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

This small forum community is not a representation of the ffxiv community as a whole. This forum is a haven for trolling and complaining.

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And yet people wonder why the ENG community don't get responses from the devs and community team.. it's hilarious really.

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Originally Posted by Shadowshinra

And yet people wonder why the ENG community don't get responses from the devs and community team.. it's hilarious really.

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Is there anything in this forum worth a response? It is a lot of complaining and trolling. They probably have better things to do with their time.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Is there anything in this forum worth a response?

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