You were warned...

In 2020 Yoshi P gave a LENGTHLY message to the FFXIV community as a HUGE migration from another games player base was literally imploding. Literally saying and looking right INTO the camera saying, "Don't tell anyone you're using them. Don't make it a big deal your using them. However, Don't use them...." *stares at camera*

That was a direct warning to a subset of players that use them to literally tell them...you...are...being...watched. PERIOD.

As director AND producer of this game....it's literally...HIS game. And he will do whatever it takes to protect it. He knows what is and has killed other games that allow this crap to go on.

Everyone installs add on's, plug-in's, ACT, dalamund, cactpot, and a myriad of OTHER things that alter the way you interact with the game. The way you see others information, the way you complete high end content, the way you farm, the way you craft, the way you glamour.

At what point is it no longer FFXIV, but a collection of add on's/mods that alter your experience. I look at current WoW players playing WoW...and I can't even tell what game it is anymore. The UI looks NOTHING like WoW to me, and it's a cluttered mess of things telling the player exactly where to stand or move to.

I DARE SAY....those that completed DSR might not have even completed it WITHOUT mods/add-ons or at best it would have taken them incredibly LONGER to complete it.

And to all of those that are getting banned for not listening to his words. Yet continue to STREAM with those said mods on....AND have the GALL to throw their hands up when they get banned!????? He literally told EVERYONE not to talk about them or show that you use them. Well I call streaming to the world....showing that you use them.

I commend Yoshi P for his conviction and follow through. I WISH I had a boss like him that can actually back up what he says, and has the balls to make the hard decisions even if it means EVERYONE will hate him for it because he loves this game so much. He even said that they will take the add on's and mods into consideration for future implementation, but in a controlled way so that it can be implemented in a professional way.

Will the game lose players for this....probably. Do I care...not at all. I played this game in 1.0 when literally 200 people were on the server...and stuck with it through thick and thin because I saw the potential from Yoshi P, literally like a couple weeks after him taking over it was literal course correction in 1.0, then 2.0. I left WoW because the developers REFUSED to protect the game they were making...and NOW look at it. Having a round table discussion saying literally EVERYTHING the community was saying for nearly a decade. Droves of people going back to CLASSIC like its a new game....back when it was good to have that feeling of what it was like before shit went so wrong.

You all had it coming. You pushed until it pushed back...

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

In 2020 Yoshi P gave a LENGTHLY message to the FFXIV community as a HUGE migration from another games player base was literally imploding. Literally saying and looking right INTO the camera saying, "Don't tell anyone you're using them. Don't make it a big deal your using them. However, Don't use them...." *stares at camera*

That was a direct warning to a subset of players that use them to literally tell them...you...are...being...watched. PERIOD.

As director AND producer of this game....it's literally...HIS game. And he will do whatever it takes to protect it. He knows what is and has killed other games that allow this crap to go on.

Everyone installs add on's, plug-in's, ACT, dalamund, cactpot, and a myriad of OTHER things that alter the way you interact with the game. The way you see others information, the way you complete high end content, the way you farm, the way you craft, the way you glamour.

At what point is it no longer FFXIV, but a collection of add on's/mods that alter your experience. I look at current WoW players playing the game...and I can't even tell what game it is anymore. The UI looks NOTHING like WoW to me, and it's a cluttered mess of things telling the player exactly where to stand or move to.

I DARE SAY....those that completed DSR might not have even completed it WITHOUT mods/add-ons or at best it would have taken them incredibly LONGER to complete it.

And to all of those that are getting banned for not listening to his words. Yet continue to STREAM with those said mods on....AND have the GALL to throw their hands up when they get banned!????? He literally told EVERYONE not to talk about them or show that you use them. Well I call streaming to the world....showing that you use them.

I commend Yoshi P for his conviction and follow through. I WISH I had a boss like him that can actually back up what he says, and has the balls to make the hard decisions even if it means EVERYONE will hate him for it because he loves this game so much. He even said that they will take the add on's and mods into consideration for future implementation, but in a controlled way so that it can be implemented in a professional way.

Will the game lose players for this....probably. Do I care...not at all. I played this game in 1.0 when literally 200 people were on the server...and stuck with it through thick and thin because I saw the potential from Yoshi P, literally like a couple weeks after him taking over it was literal course correction in 1.0, then 2.0. I left WoW because the developers REFUSED to protect the game they were making...and NOW look at it. Having a round table discussion saying literally EVERYTHING the community was saying for nearly a decade. Droves of people going back to CLASSIC likes its a new game....back when it was good to have that feeling of what it was like before shit went so wrong.

You all had it coming. You pushed until it pushed back...

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cool story bro.

I still fail to see how you are being personally affected by those who use mods to enhance the UI, regardless if they stream or not, but if it makes you feel better to preach about how wrong they are for doing so, then have fun I suppose. There are bigger issues regarding 6.1 that need more of a focus than this.

Given your previous post history, I am unsurprised by what I found when I clicked on this thread.

People played a stupid game, and they won a stupid prize. I'm not shocked.

People seem to forget this is only a Streamer and youtube ban. Doesn't affect the average player, they still can't scan your computer so ACT and cactbots and all the mods will still be everywhere. They're only banning their advertisers.

LAW AND ORDER! LAW AND ORDER!

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

In 2020 Yoshi P gave a LENGTHLY message to the FFXIV community as a HUGE migration from another games player base was literally imploding. Literally saying and looking right INTO the camera saying, "Don't tell anyone you're using them. Don't make it a big deal your using them. However, Don't use them...." *stares at camera*

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Everyone installs add on's, plug-in's, ACT, dalamund, cactpot, and a myriad of OTHER things that alter the way you interact with the game. The way you see others information, the way you complete high end content, the way you farm, the way you craft, the way you glamour.

At what point is it no longer FFXIV, but a collection of add on's/mods that alter your experience. I look at current WoW players playing WoW...and I can't even tell what game it is anymore. The UI looks NOTHING like WoW to me, and it's a cluttered mess of things telling the player exactly where to stand or move to.

I DARE SAY....those that completed DSR might not have even completed it WITHOUT mods/add-ons or at best it would have taken them incredibly LONGER to complete it.

And to all of those that are getting banned for not listening to his words. Yet continue to STREAM with those said mods on....AND have the GALL to throw their hands up when they get banned!????? He literally told EVERYONE not to talk about them or show that you use them. Well I call streaming to the world....showing that you use them.

I commend Yoshi P for his conviction and follow through. I WISH I had a boss like him that can actually back up what he says, and has the balls to make the hard decisions even if it means EVERYONE will hate him for it because he loves this game so much. He even said that they will take the add on's and mods into consideration for future implementation, but in a controlled way so that it can be implemented in a professional way.

Will the game lose players for this....probably. Do I care...not at all. I played this game in 1.0 when literally 200 people were on the server...and stuck with it through thick and thin because I saw the potential from Yoshi P, literally like a couple weeks after him taking over it was literal course correction in 1.0, then 2.0. I left WoW because the developers REFUSED to protect the game they were making...and NOW look at it. Having a round table discussion saying literally EVERYTHING the community was saying for nearly a decade. Droves of people going back to CLASSIC like its a new game....back when it was good to have that feeling of what it was like before shit went so wrong.

You all had it coming. You pushed until it pushed back...

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and thats why they didnt ban any streamers for decades

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

I commend Yoshi P for his conviction and follow through. I WISH I had a boss like him that can actually back up what he says

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Someone should tell OP about the bots and pvp hackers in this game.

cry is free

Toadie. Power to the players, don't ask, don't tell.

But the question is why only enforce it now when people have been streaming for years with plugins, mods and ACT on? Is it because the game now has a lot more views because of PvP and the Ultimate and they need to make a good impression?

The real solution is easier. Quit giving SE free advertisement and never stream the game again. If they're too lazy to take into account QoL, and too sensitive to JP brigades, then why should I care?

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

and thats why they didnt ban any streamers for decades

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Fake news, they banned streamers before. BTW not only, but the exact same streamer from japan was banned once before. :D

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Originally Posted by Raim

But the question is why only enforce it now when people have been streaming for years with plugins, mods and ACT on? Is it because the game now has a lot more views because of PvP and the Ultimate and they need to make a good impression?

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Yes; That's exactly the reason why. It is performative.

So many people are watching the Ultimate progression that there are possibly hundreds/thousands of people that would say "Wait, what is that thing they have? That looks great, I'm going to go and download it." Then, the butt hurt console players will complain because they are playing a "worse" version of the game since they can't download mods like that. Also, the people who "lost" the DSR world race will complain that the "winners" had an unfair advantage.

If they hadn't done something, then everyone would see that they have no teeth and don't care. They were FORCED to do something.

It's similar to being bullied in school. If you just let the bully do something, then they and other bullies will "know" that you won't do anything about it. If you stand up and punch one in the face once then you won't need to deal with being bullied (as much).

Or not use them at all lol simple as that.

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Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik

Toadie. Power to the players, don't ask, don't tell.

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Right on man. Authority should always be questioned.

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Originally Posted by Raim

But the question is why only enforce it now when people have been streaming for years with plugins, mods and ACT on? Is it because the game now has a lot more views because of PvP and the Ultimate and they need to make a good impression?

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HMM I wonder if its because this game got very popular all of sudden! HMMMMMMMM I DONT KNOW!

Also they could've done this at any time. People knew the risks and got too complacent. Like somebody already said, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I'm glad we've solved everything now tbh. Everyone using UI mods will now get the UI improvements they wished for straight into the game and everyone upset about other people using ACT and UI mods will now be able to rest easy, knowing that no one will use them anymore.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

I'm glad we've solved everything now tbh. Everyone using UI mods will now get the UI improvements they wished for straight into the game and everyone upset about other people using ACT and UI mods will now be able to rest easy, knowing that no one will use them anymore.

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We only have to wait until 9.1!

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Originally Posted by CaedemSanguis

and thats why they didnt ban any streamers for decades

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"Decades" lol, "Decades"... with a plural, lol

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Originally Posted by Josebm

"Decades" lol, "Decades"... with a plural, lol

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XI

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

I still fail to see how you are being personally affected by those who use mods to enhance the UI, regardless if they stream or not, but if it makes you feel better to preach about how wrong they are for doing so, then have fun I suppose. There are bigger issues regarding 6.1 that need more of a focus than this.

Given your previous post history, I am unsurprised by what I found when I clicked on this thread.

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While I agree with you to a point.

The way these Addons will impact people specifically, will be, people will demand that you're running XYZ addon, have your UI and alike changed, to be part of their group/static.

These tools and alike, will be used as further ways of belittling underperforming players, and will cause even a larger rift between casuals and hardcore gamers.

While I was guilty of using these, in my WoW days, I have personally seen them used against people as a tool to shun them from any high-end content.

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Originally Posted by Sqwall

I commend Yoshi P for his conviction and follow through.

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Conviction for what? Banning what are essentially their free advertisement while continuing to ignore the several hundred thousand of players still using every single one of these third party tools, and who will continue to use them. All Yoshida's accomplished is weaponizing a hate mob to mass report anyone and everyone for the slightest ToS violation, something he has also asked people not to do.

There are a number of addons that I agree don’t affect other players. But if it tells what it next in an ultimate fight, or helps somoeone farm materials, then yes, it is something that should be stopped.

But there are addons that help those who are disabled as well. Should they be banned?

A slippery topic to be sure.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

People played a stupid game, and they won a stupid prize. I'm not shocked.

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But...but.. ffxiv isn't stupid

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Originally Posted by AngelCheese77

There are a number of addons that I agree don’t affect other players. But if it tells what it next in an ultimate fight, or helps somoeone farm materials, then yes, it is something that should be stopped.

But there are addons that help those who are disabled as well. Should they be banned?

A slippery topic to be sure.

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It's fairly easy; Does it give you an advantage over other players? If it shows information that is already available to you, then it should be allowed. If it shows you information that isn't available to you normally, then it shouldn't be allowed. Regardless of whether or not it affects other people (which is another thing, because I'd argue that everything that gives YOU an advantage in a multiplayer game affects "other players" in some way).

SE can just stop the Combat log period entirely... so you can only see what move the boss did to kill you... no numbers put on to your harddrive and more, and they should do such, then you got nothing to record from, and if you hack into server, they can leave a 'spotter' of sorts that would record it.

That means you can only for real log the the DPS you do on the dummies outside of any raid/dungeon/group content, with putting on a stop watch from start, to it die from it.

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XI

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Just in case anyone isn't clear on this, FFXI has had plugins and mods for long before XIV did. Heck, XIVLauncher is based off an equivalent mod for XI.

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Originally Posted by HolyReign

While I agree with you to a point.

The way these Addons will impact people specifically, will be, people will demand that you're running XYZ addon, have your UI and alike changed, to be part of their group/static.

These tools and alike, will be used as further ways of belittling underperforming players, and will cause even a larger rift between casuals and hardcore gamers.

While I was guilty of using these, in my WoW days, I have personally seen them used against people as a tool to shun them from any high-end content.

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This is all assumption. This likely would not happen in FFXIV cause it's always been a we don't speak about add ons mentality. Also FFXIV is to scripted to require things such a DBM, there is maybe 1 fight per raid tier that has RNG to it. Every other fight you can tell what is going to happen based on a timer.

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Originally Posted by Mosha

cool story bro.

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wow not a very smart person

I think if someone ever asked me to install a specific addon to be part of their group I would simply just not play with them. I find the addons those high-tier raiders use to be visually appalling and an active turn off. I can hardly tell whether I'm looking at a video game or a Microsoft Excel Spreadsheet. Thankfully my needs are largely met through tinkering with the base UI options.

I clear higher end content on party finder with people I don't really know, and not once has anyone asked me for logs or openly criticized my damage output. Then again, I play on EU, so I cannot speak for the datacenter culture of NA where that sort of thing appears to be more prevalent. I just do my rotation and hope to clear, I'm not concerned with following the meta to the letter nor do I subscribe to the mentality that by going as X job that I'm hindering the party.

If that offends some of these users then so be it, I still find myself clearing fights by respecting mechanics and going through a rotation learned from guides/levelling up (though I will concede that not every job spells out the optimal rotation through the levelling experience.)

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

wow not a very smart person

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Said by the person with a "Yo Momma" signature.

I think you're just not understanding that for the longest time yoship said it was a grey area for them too so they were not too strict about that rule unless we used third party programs for harassing, and that's how it played out for the longest time.

People are upset for the sudden stricting of the rule and on top of that not even giving warning to clean accounts, just straight up banning them through prog. I don't think its unreasonable for them to change their mind but to be so sudden and apathetic about it.

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Originally Posted by Minarisweet

I think you're just not understanding that for the longest time yoship said it was a grey area for them too so they were not too strict about that rule unless we used third party programs for harassing, and that's how it played out for the longest time.

People are upset for the sudden stricting of the rule and on top of that not even giving warning to clean accounts, just straight up banning them through prog. I don't think its unreasonable for them to change their mind but to be so sudden and apathetic about it.

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All this time people have been walking on egg-shells with using addons despite the ToS clearly stating that "catching" you using them can get you banned at any given moment. Now that it happened all of a sudden people go surprise pikachu face and start blaming the devs for doing their jobs. There's nothing apathetic about this. Yoshi-P has been telling people to seriously dont let him catch you in the act of addon usage and its very easy to do that if you decide to stream in public. We all knew the risks. Stop defending yourselves from not following the rules.

Boot is a celebrated delicacy here in the FFXIV community.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

All this time people have been walking on egg-shells with using addons despite the ToS clearly stating that "catching" you using them can get you banned at any given moment. Now that it happened all of a sudden people go surprise pikachu face and start blaming the devs for doing their jobs. There's nothing apathetic about this. Yoshi-P has been telling people to seriously dont let him catch you in the act of addon usage and its very easy to do that if you decide to stream in public. We all knew the risks. Stop defending yourselves from not following the rules.

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It's come up in other threads, but the difference is that they previously didn't/wouldn't/couldn't(?) enforce it via using outside means, i.e. streams or Youtube. There generally had to be in-game evidence.
Now it seems that's gone out the window, and that particular change is.. well, jarring. Communities have been fostered, so it's not unreasonable for people to be taken aback by a sudden change of what supporting evidence is used for an event that is generally handled by those communities.

You forget the "REAL" problem lol. Bots. I think you should include the worst and most egregious issue.