Can we get off the bandwagon yeah?

Seems like every post is now
Cheaters in the high tier
Then it became, cheaters in low tier, keep blaming cheaters for every single loss, and now we got people saying cheaters in casuals, like if there wasn’t a more complete waste of time and effort to cheat in casuals, we have now convinced every person that if they lose, it’s because cheaters here, cheaters there, cheaters in the mountains, and cheaters in the caves.
Like seriously get real with yourself.

Are there cheaters? Absolutely, always will be.* before some keyboard white knight sweeps in to right the wrong”

Are there millions of them lurking in every corner waiting to ruin your pointless, meaningless, unranked, casual match? No. No they are not.

“Well, there’s proof of it because I got demolished in 0.014 seconds” no, that’s not proof. Never will be proof, and can’t be proof, time is not proof of cheating. There are many factors from individual pings, server ticks, client hiccups, I’ve been called a cheater for killing someone with a DoT that they didn’t recognize until it was pointed out to them.
But we’ve brainwashed every person that if they died whatsoever then it MUST MUST be the Eviiielil cheaters!!!!!

The forums should be about tactics, feedback, and improvements, and instead “I didn’t win so this sucks” or “everyone but me is a cheater because I keep losing” or <insert generic X sucks because I don’t get Y> claim here.

So yes we’ve established you might run into a cheater, can you prove they’re cheating? No.
The most likely thing you’re going to encounter is a booster. Which is a form of “cheating” but not hardcore haxxxzorz out to ruin your rankless games.
Can we please try not to cry wolf? All were doing is sabotaging a game mode that someone worked on by badmouthing and labeling everyone who did play fair and plays for a fun a blatant cheater.

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Originally Posted by NamanoNanaya

Seems like every post is now
Cheaters in the high tier
Then it became, cheaters in low tier, keep blaming cheaters for every single loss, and now we got people saying cheaters in casuals, like if there wasn’t a more complete waste of time and effort to cheat in casuals, we have now convinced every person that if they lose, it’s because cheaters here, cheaters there, cheaters in the mountains, and cheaters in the caves.
Like seriously get real with yourself.

Are there cheaters? Absolutely, always will be.* before some keyboard white knight sweeps in to right the wrong”

Are there millions of them lurking in every corner waiting to ruin your pointless, meaningless, unranked, casual match? No. No they are not.

“Well, there’s proof of it because I got demolished in 0.014 seconds” no, that’s not proof. Never will be proof, and can’t be proof, time is not proof of cheating. There are many factors from individual pings, server ticks, client hiccups, I’ve been called a cheater for killing someone with a DoT that they didn’t recognize until it was pointed out to them.
But we’ve brainwashed every person that if they died whatsoever then it MUST MUST be the Eviiielil cheaters!!!!!

The forums should be about tactics, feedback, and improvements, and instead “I didn’t win so this sucks” or “everyone but me is a cheater because I keep losing” or <insert generic X sucks because I don’t get Y> claim here.

So yes we’ve established you might run into a cheater, can you prove they’re cheating? No.
The most likely thing you’re going to encounter is a booster. Which is a form of “cheating” but not hardcore haxxxzorz out to ruin your rankless games.
Can we please try not to cry wolf? All were doing is sabotaging a game mode that someone worked on by badmouthing and labeling everyone who did play fair and plays for a fun a blatant cheater.

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Kinda hard to have tactics when you can't chat in-game. You ever wonder where that toxicity goes if you ban it from the game? Now you know, SE deserves this, they need to learn that when people get tilted you can't just delete their anger, they need a place to vent.

It also doesn't help that lots of classes are very imbalanced and many things don't even work properly like purify. This will calm down once they start to fix the issues. Hopefully they return chat to PvP so we can strategize instead of pinging uselessly.

I haven't ran into a single cheater yet. At least none blatantly obvious. If someone's using a addon no ones really ever going to notice that either.

Welcome to the Official Forums! This is the where the most aggrieved people with no other outlets (or kicked out of all other outlets) wind up, so, this is sort of its natural state. Pretty much all the other subforums have conspiracy theorist-level saws like this. Gen Discussion has the 'freak out about the Endwalker story' threads that have constructed a great mythos about why the critically acclaimed Endwalker story sucks actually, Housing believes every house they don't own belongs to either people with 17 accounts or RMT farmers or both simultaneously, Dungeons is currently complaining about the most interesting dungeon we've had in a while.. so on and so forth.

If you want sensible and well-reasoned discussion, I highly recommend, like, anything else. Treat this place more like misery tourism.

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Welcome to the Official Forums! This is the where the most aggrieved people with no other outlets (or kicked out of all other outlets) wind up, so, this is sort of its natural state. Pretty much all the other subforums have conspiracy theorist-level saws like this. Gen Discussion has the 'freak out about the Endwalker story' threads that have constructed a great mythos about why the critically acclaimed Endwalker story sucks actually, Housing believes every house they don't own belongs to either people with 17 accounts or RMT farmers or both simultaneously, Dungeons is currently complaining about the most interesting dungeon we've had in a while.. so on and so forth.

If you want sensible and well-reasoned discussion, I highly recommend, like, anything else. Treat this place more like misery tourism.

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People do have a tendency to blow things out of proportion, but the complaints aren't baseless.

Endwalker's story in particular was not spotless when several of the post-release interviews were basically doing damage control by having to explain things that should've been obvious within the story itself.

I'm also not sure what other platforms are actually conducive to productive discussion because Reddit is largely just memes and fanart with the occasional actual point of discussion that tends to simply get mass up/downvoted by the echo chamber...and let's not even get into Twitter.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

I haven't ran into a single cheater yet. At least none blatantly obvious. If someone's using a addon no ones really ever going to notice that either.

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Same here. I'm sure it's because CC and the new job actions are still new. Lack of knowledge and understanding make people call cheats too much. Wintrading is most likely the only true cheating going on.

Some people definitely do jump the gun and cry foul a bit too readily, but it's really not very difficult to verify that there are both subtle and obvious methods of cheating being actively exploited by people.

I've only encountered one hacker and two likely instances of auto-CC scripts out of maybe...60ish matches, personally.

I mean there's definitely cheaters out there. I've seen some twitch clips of people speed hacking, but I haven't come across it yet and I play quite a bit so I don't think its as rampant as people make it out to be.

Look at these cheaters / script kiddies trying to down play the problem like there are not "bad" cheaters. Cheats of any kind will improve a persons play. Just because it is not blatantly obvious does not mean they are not cheating.

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Originally Posted by Mandudez

Look at these cheaters / script kiddies trying to down play the problem like there are not "bad" cheaters. Cheats of any kind will improve a persons play. Just because it is not blatantly obvious does not mean they are not cheating.

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Unless you have blatant proof yelling out cheater is just you being salty.

I smell " Butt-Hurt " lock the thread nothing to see here.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

I haven't ran into a single cheater yet. At least none blatantly obvious. If someone's using a addon no ones really ever going to notice that either.

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This! You cannot really see if there are cheaters unless you record each game and carefully watch each player. If there are players who have those lightning reflexes and use one skill after another. I strongly believe there are cheaters everywhere and with some jobs being too OP, CC right now does not feel right. It's a good mode but needs adjustments.

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Originally Posted by Akantorz

Kinda hard to have tactics when you can't chat in-game. You ever wonder where that toxicity goes if you ban it from the game? Now you know, SE deserves this, they need to learn that when people get tilted you can't just delete their anger, they need a place to vent.

It also doesn't help that lots of classes are very imbalanced and many things don't even work properly like purify. This will calm down once they start to fix the issues. Hopefully they return chat to PvP so we can strategize instead of pinging uselessly.

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You can have tactics without normal chat. High skill players do not need people to tell them what to do, they already know the basics and how classes interact and will perform on their own. Any communication that is needed, quickchat is capable of handling (such as PLD telling the MNK they are safe to dive in immediately because they will use Guardian, etc.) Things like who to target, who to focus, when to push the crystal and when to back off, when you should stack up and when you should split up, that's all something that everyone can do independently if they have enough experience and skill.

Purify works properly. You can test this yourself in duels. But it only protects from things that Purify can dispel. It will not protect you from Hysteria, Charmed, Imp, or some other effects which cannot be cleansed with Purify, nor does it advertise it will. Yes, due to server tickrate you can get hit with a CC between the time Purify cleanses the effect and the buff activates. You can learn to get better at timing your Purify but it will never be 100%. It's something you have to get used to, there's literally nothing Square-Enix can do aside from get better servers.

There are currently no classes that are overpowered. Some are stronger than others and further tuning can be useful, but there are no overpowered classes and no underpowered classes. Anyone telling you otherwise is a low skill player, straight up. Remember that rank and tier aren't really tied to player skill.

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Originally Posted by Gserpent

You can learn to get better at timing your Purify but it will never be 100%. It's something you have to get used to, there's literally nothing Square-Enix can do aside from get better servers.

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If they can have Primal Rend and WHM laser cast stun on input they can fix purify. Simply have the buff go off regardless of cleansing a status ailment so you can prep or plan for CC which will enable more varieties of skilled play.

There's no excuse or reason to "deal with" purify how it currently is, which is practically meaningless in a mode full of CC.

Your options currently are

1. Wait after getting bludgeoned with cc so you can hope that you're not destroyed by the dps coming in before you can pop purify at a time where you MIGHT not get hit with any more CC.
2. Watch as you die anyways because it seems to not work on silence (unless I'm mistaken) and rarely tags intime to be meaningful.

Even if it worked properly half the classes can immediately stun you again so purify is legit a terrible skill at the moment. It gives CC all the power and leaves classes like SGE/SCH/GNB/etc with no cc abilities in the dust because they have little/no means to secure a kill/escape while some classes have a ton.

Yes some classes aren't "overpowered" but they definitely have more tools available to them and I'd rather have a whole toolkit than a power drill.

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Originally Posted by Rieze_Xeero

This! You cannot really see if there are cheaters unless you record each game and carefully watch each player. If there are players who have those lightning reflexes and use one skill after another. I strongly believe there are cheaters everywhere and with some jobs being too OP, CC right now does not feel right. It's a good mode but needs adjustments.

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I'm sure there are cheaters, but I doubt its all the widespread. At most there's probably some script andy's using things like auto using ninja LB at 50% hp, but I haven't ran into any kind of speed hackers or anything.

I have about 1k games in ranked CC alone, and have only caught one actual cheater seen here: https://www.twitch.tv/nolabell/clip/...e=7d&sort=time who still remain on the leaderboard at rank 22.

I can say there is a lot of jank in the game mode that can be very easily seen as cheating. I have been streaming if not for the ability to look back at some fishy business only to find out it was just game jank.

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Originally Posted by Tobias_Azuryon

If they can have Primal Rend and WHM laser cast stun on input they can fix purify. Simply have the buff go off regardless of cleansing a status ailment so you can prep or plan for CC which will enable more varieties of skilled play.

There's no excuse or reason to "deal with" purify how it currently is, which is practically meaningless in a mode full of CC.

Your options currently are

1. Wait after getting bludgeoned with cc so you can hope that you're not destroyed by the dps coming in before you can pop purify at a time where you MIGHT not get hit with any more CC.
2. Watch as you die anyways because it seems to not work on silence (unless I'm mistaken) and rarely tags intime to be meaningful.

Even if it worked properly half the classes can immediately stun you again so purify is legit a terrible skill at the moment. It gives CC all the power and leaves classes like SGE/SCH/GNB/etc with no cc abilities in the dust because they have little/no means to secure a kill/escape while some classes have a ton.

Yes some classes aren't "overpowered" but they definitely have more tools available to them and I'd rather have a whole toolkit than a power drill.

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Purify that operates without needing to cleanse a buff is called Guard. We already have what you're asking for, lol.

If they made purify a break out from any CC, and immune to 5 seconds or 8 seconds from all CC then it would be good. Right now, with the amount of cheaters, it does feel like purify does nothing. Ninjas are out of control, I've seen players use no MP for heals, Ninjas just stealth when ever they want (no cd on stealth), players go under the map or in walls to full heal/mp, etc. The most annoying is the CC on LB, The work around on the auto guard vs cheaters is kinda easy. If you have a a dragoon, let him LB and the WHOLE team will auto guard even if they are not in range. He can be across the map and a bot will auto guard. I should've recorded the game last night but thought squeenix would've banned these cheaters. Instead it seems the more people talk bout it and go down that rabbit hole the more cheaters come up knowing no action will be taken.

A player who doesn't cheat--Oh man let me do some research on these cheats, comes across website.*ponders...hmm well since squeenix isn't taking any action guess I can use it and get rating*

The Discord channel for the cheaters is disgusting (I've seen multiple videos and pictures on reddit) The cheaters act like they aren't doing anything wrong and blame the legit community for complaining because they feel like there is nothing wrong for paying $40-75+ for some cheating script that auto plays their character. I am almost crystal and if I was to take the time out of my day to make a video on all the cheaters I have seen, I would be busy for a few days making reports and not trying to push. It is insane how many people need to cheat/wintrade.

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Originally Posted by illSugoi

If they made purify a break out from any CC, and immune to 5 seconds or 8 seconds from all CC then it would be good. Right now, with the amount of cheaters, it does feel like purify does nothing. Ninjas are out of control, I've seen players use no MP for heals, Ninjas just stealth when ever they want (no cd on stealth), players go under the map or in walls to full heal/mp, etc. The most annoying is the CC on LB, The work around on the auto guard vs cheaters is kinda easy. If you have a a dragoon, let him LB and the WHOLE team will auto guard even if they are not in range. He can be across the map and a bot will auto guard. I should've recorded the game last night but thought squeenix would've banned these cheaters. Instead it seems the more people talk bout it and go down that rabbit hole the more cheaters come up knowing no action will be taken.

A player who doesn't cheat--Oh man let me do some research on these cheats, comes across website.*ponders...hmm well since squeenix isn't taking any action guess I can use it and get rating*

The Discord channel for the cheaters is disgusting (I've seen multiple videos and pictures on reddit) The cheaters act like they aren't doing anything wrong and blame the legit community for complaining because they feel like there is nothing wrong for paying $40-75+ for some cheating script that auto plays their character. I am almost crystal and if I was to take the time out of my day to make a video on all the cheaters I have seen, I would be busy for a few days making reports and not trying to push. It is insane how many people need to cheat/wintrade.

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That's weird. I've been Crystal for weeks now, on the same DC, and I'm at a little under 300 wins? I haven't seen a single cheater. Not once. You sure you're not just mistaking things you don't understand for things that are "cheating"?

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Originally Posted by Akantorz

Kinda hard to have tactics when you can't chat in-game. You ever wonder where that toxicity goes if you ban it from the game? Now you know, SE deserves this, they need to learn that when people get tilted you can't just delete their anger, they need a place to vent.

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Or you deal with it like an adult. Statements like the above just confirm to me that we shouldn't have regular chat.

I don't feel like I've seen many cheaters, if any. What I have seen is people that don't seem to care to try, whether it's Crystal or Frontlines.

When I saw "bandwagon" in the title of the post, I thought this might be about summoners. Bahamut horde is cute, but it's definitely not winning matches.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I don't feel like I've seen many cheaters, if any. What I have seen is people that don't seem to care to try, whether it's Crystal or Frontlines.

When I saw "bandwagon" in the title of the post, I thought this might be about summoners. Bahamut horde is cute, but it's definitely not winning matches.

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I think most people get to crystal and then stop caring as they don't have any interest in the crystal credit system climb so they just play whatever and treat it like the unranked mode.