Why basic sage damage skill have 300 potency and astro or scholar have only 150

So as a sage I have tons of damage skills but as a astro my basic skill does damage of 150 instead of 300 like sage. Also sage has couple more abilities that does damage as a astro i don't. It is really a pain when i try to solo older content or Fates etc as astro. At least white mages have blood lily.

As a sage you do not have tons of damage skills. you got the same as the rest that isn't astro

1 nuke (dosis) vs glare, malefic and broil
1 dot (also dosis) vs dia, combust and biolysis
1 aoe (dykrasia) vs holy, gravity and slap of war
1 extra (plegma balls) vs assize, (astro not found) energy drain

whm has a gcd refund as you say- misery.
Ast has macrocosmos and earthly star that are used for their healing power that happen to deal damage
sage has pneuma that again is used as a healing tool that happens to deal damage and toxikon which is used anywhere from 0-3 times a fight. more if there's invincibility period on the boss

By a ton you mean 2? One of which is a 45s CD

AST has its cards and Astrodyne to compensate for the lower potency on its spammable offensive abilities.

Also, the job guide for SGE is wrong and it does NOT have 300 potency on Dosis when scaled down. It starts off at 180, upgrades to 250 at level 54, then only is 300 at level 64.

It's because of how the game is balanced.
AST and SCH have utility that helps groups do more damage, making up for their lack of personal damage.
SGE and WHM don't have utility and only bring their personal damage to the table so they have higher potency on their attacks.

It kind of handicaps AST and SCH in terms of Solo play though because their utility doesn't make their own damage that much better and just makes things take longer to complete as a result.

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Originally Posted by Kenarashi

So as a sage I have tons of damage skills but as a astro my basic skill does damage of 150 instead of 300 like sage. Also sage has couple more abilities that does damage as a astro i don't. It is really a pain when i try to solo older content or Fates etc as astro. At least white mages have blood lily.

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SGE’s higher potency is because it does not offer party utility the way AST does. AST has lower potency because a lot of its overall damage comes from the buffs it gives the party in the form of its cards and Divination. Generally speaking, “selfish” jobs in this game (i.e., jobs that do not have party buffs) have higher skill potencies than “buff” jobs (i.e., jobs that have party buffs).

The “extras” in SGE’s kit don’t really set it apart much from the other healers. All four have the same basic and boring formula of 1 DoT, 1 nuke, and 1 AOE. Only some have these “extra” abilities, and they don’t really add any extra “umpf” to any of them.

Phlegma is just WHM’s Assize, except without a heal and MP regen attached. It’s actually a bit better due to having 2 charges, but it’s functionally the same: most of the time, it is used on cooldown.

Toxikon is a more limited version of SCH’s Ruin II—it’s used primarily for movement and not regularly due to 1. How it is generated, and 2. It’s the same potency as Dosis, so there’s no damage gain from using Toxikon over Dosis. It’s DPS neutral to generate during downtime and a DPS loss to generate when enemies are targetable.

Pneuma is used primarily for its heal, not for its damage. The potency is the same as Dosis, and the cooldown is 2 minutes. It’s similar to Macrocosmos except without the damage taken : healing received scale factor and with a shorter cooldown. Pneuma does require an enemy target to use versus Macro, which does not.

WHM has Misery as a refund from casting 3 GCD heals via Solace or Rapture. The other healers don’t have to GCD heal as often as WHM does since their kits contain so many oGCD healing abilities, versus WHM’s which does not. Hence why Misery exists. And now, it’s not a DPS loss to generate it: it’s a full refund for the three GCD spent to generate it.

Sage
330 potency "Dosis"
58 potency per 2.5 seconds DoT "Eukrasian Dosis III"
170 potency AoE "Dyskrasia II"
510 potency from Phlegma III (45s cooldown)
330 potency from Pneuma (120s cooldown)
Total potency is 1398.

Astrologian
250 potency "Fall Malefic" (2.5s cooldown)
45 potency DoT "Combust III" (per 2.5s)
130 potency AoE "Gravity II" (2.5s cooldown)
310 potency from Earthly Star (60s cooldown)
250 potency from Minor Arcana granting Lord of Crowns (60s cooldown)
250 potency from Macrocosmos (180s cooldown)
5% damage increase / 10% spell speed increase from Astrodyne (90s to get).
6% damage increase from Draw (30s cooldown)
6% damage increase from Divination (120s cooldown)
Total potency is 1235 but we can't easily translate the damage increases into a potency.

Scholar
295 potency "Broil IV" (2.5s cooldown)
58 potency DoT "Biolysis" (per 2.5s)
180 potency AoE "Art of War II" (2.5s cooldown)
300 potency from Aetherflow granting 3x Energy Drain (60s cooldown)
300 potency from Dissipation granting 3x Energy Drain (180s cooldown)
15% increased crit rate from Chain Strategem (120s cooldown)
Total potency is 1133 but we can't easily translate the crit into a potency.

Not so different like you are thinking.

If you're arguing that AST and SCH should get potency buffs then I wholeheartedly agree, no bias whatsoever. I do hope Squeenix considers it.

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

If you're arguing that AST and SCH should get potency buffs then I wholeheartedly agree, no bias whatsoever. I do hope Squeenix considers it.

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Then you would need to buff SGE and WHM as well. Because they don’t bring utility in the way SCH and AST do, they need to have higher personal potencies. Otherwise, what would ever be the point in bringing them over their direct competitors? Selfish jobs that do less overall contribution than buff jobs will never be desired.

Just look at the state of the physical ranged for a comparison: why would you ever bring a MCH when it offers nothing more than its own damage, which currently isn’t enough to offset the damage BRD and DNC bring to the entire party. MCH has been suffering for a while now, and the measily potency buffs they’ve been given still aren’t enough to make them remotely competitive.

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Originally Posted by Kenarashi

So as a sage I have tons of damage skills.

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Yet you still press 1111-2-11111 99% of the time lmao.

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

If you're arguing that AST and SCH should get potency buffs then I wholeheartedly agree, no bias whatsoever. I do hope Squeenix considers it.

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No thank you. It seems you have no idea that SGE and WHM are already getting locked out of PFs in favor of AST and SCH bc they offer a faster kill time. What you're suggesting is the nail on the coffin. NO

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Originally Posted by Kenarashi

So as a sage I have tons of damage skills but as a astro my basic skill does damage of 150 instead of 300 like sage. Also sage has couple more abilities that does damage as a astro i don't. It is really a pain when i try to solo older content or Fates etc as astro. At least white mages have blood lily.

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Simple. Because to a degree, SGE heal is dependent on the amount of damage they deal (Kardia)

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Originally Posted by HyonaCookie

If you're arguing that AST and SCH should get potency buffs then I wholeheartedly agree, no bias whatsoever. I do hope Squeenix considers it.

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Astro and Scholar are already the two strongest healers in overall damage. In fact, until the Lily changes, Astro absolutely demolished White Mage in this regard. Why in the world are we buffing them? If anything, the separation between White Mage/Sage's nukes and Astro/Scholar needs to be higher not lower.

As HyoMin said, we're seeing what you want play out with the physical range. Machinist's selfish damage output simply can't compete with the raid DPS Bard and Dancer provided. The end result has seen Machinist's numbers plummet to the point it barely has a presence in Savage.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

AST has its cards and Astrodyne to compensate for the lower potency on its spammable offensive abilities.

Also, the job guide for SGE is wrong and it does NOT have 300 potency on Dosis when scaled down. It starts off at 180, upgrades to 250 at level 54, then only is 300 at level 64.

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dosis lvl 1 300 potency dosis II 320 potency lvl 72 dosis III 330 potency

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Originally Posted by Kenarashi

dosis lvl 1 300 potency dosis II 320 potency lvl 72 dosis III 330 potency

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Dosis starts at 180 and is increased via traits:

Somanoutic Oath
Lv. 54 Increases the potency of Dosis to 250
Somanoutic Oath II
Lv. 64 Increases the potency of Dosis to 300
Then you get Dosis II and Dosis III.
Similar to how AST has Malefic I, II, III, IV and Fall Malefic, and SCH has Ruin, Broil, Broil II, III and IV, they all have 5 tiers.

It's already been explained that AST and SCH's damage buffs make up for their lower potencies. This has to be balanced around 8-man content. So yeah, SCH and especially AST are going to be less powerful in solo content because they can't bolster their damage output with 7 other plays increased damage, it kinda sucks but its not a huge deal, the fights take a little bit longer, but they're both healers so you're not going to die.

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Originally Posted by Kenarashi

So as a sage I have tons of damage skills but as a astro my basic skill does damage of 150 instead of 300 like sage. Also sage has couple more abilities that does damage as a astro i don't. It is really a pain when i try to solo older content or Fates etc as astro. At least white mages have blood lily.

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Because they have floating knives that shoot lasers and you have a fucking book or set of cards

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Originally Posted by Kenarashi

dosis lvl 1 300 potency dosis II 320 potency lvl 72 dosis III 330 potency

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Go into sastasha synced solo as a SGE and see with your own eyes: read the tooltip on your hotbar. Nah, no need to clear it. Just read.

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Originally Posted by Recon1o6

As a sage you do not have tons of damage skills. you got the same as the rest that isn't astro

1 nuke (dosis) vs glare, malefic and broil
1 dot (also dosis) vs dia, combust and biolysis
1 aoe (dykrasia) vs holy, gravity and slap of war
1 extra (plegma balls) vs assize, (astro not found) energy drain

whm has a gcd refund as you say- misery.
Ast has macrocosmos and earthly star that are used for their healing power that happen to deal damage
sage has pneuma that again is used as a healing tool that happens to deal damage and toxikon which is used anywhere from 0-3 times a fight. more if there's invincibility period on the boss

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astros crown card play would be the 1 extra, if it comes up Lord at least

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Then you would need to buff SGE and WHM as well.

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(joke)Is wanting a 123 combo to generate 'stings, and a 1200+800 potency Pnuema (20% less damage on 2nd+) on a 60s cooldown too OP? I don't mind if it's changed to need two 'stings to fire off (like a GNB's Double Down)