DISCUSSION: Yoshi-P's Poem

Yoshi-P posted a picture of a Poem on New Years day 1/1/11 after saying this:

"...In fact, an ancient verse of prophecy was delivered to my person by a messenger from Eorzea not moments ago. But I've never been much of one for poems... Perhaps some of you will have more luck decoding it than I have."


POEM:

Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.

-Seventh Verse of the Divine Chronicles
Mezaya Thousand Eyes

Link to Picture of Poem:
http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...bb43c4885c1fcc
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This thread is for the discussion of this poem. Please give your theories about the poem's meaning and it's purpose. Interesting theories will be backed up with lore about the game, please be mindful of spoiler alerts while discussing storyline (add a "Spoiler Alert" at the top of a post). Cant wait to hear what the community has to say :)

I think it has to do with some sort of rebirth of the World, from a time of darkness.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.

Ne'er meaning never I'm assuming.

so poem is (in basic english, from my interpitation)

The moon can't rise with out the setting sun.
The sky will glow like a flame (sunset) And caves (hell) will darken and grow more menecing (seeps black dooms)
life will quicky grow from death
time for arms will be needed

that is pretty much what My understanding is.

what i feel it means

During the twilight hour between sunset and moon rising, when the sky glows and that caves that stretch under Erozea grow darker.
New life will grow where their was once death
And during this time is when we will need to forge and be ready for impending doom.

aka.... shit gonna happen in that creepy undead place where that dragon lies dead and we are all skrewed.

thats my theories based on the poems :)

to add possible something similar to gusgan mines will infest the world.
sorry that place was hell in vanadiel Some of that poem reminds me of fatel frame. Where thay had a cave which was the portal to hell.

Ima guess deep in a cave someplace a door that was sealed, will unseal and awaken what was once dead. and this will happen in the twilight hour

Sorry that dragon corpse being intact as it is, gives me a fishing feeling about it. SE don't typically add that type of decor with its skin still on..... If you get my meaning.

what if it's Drogaroga? dun dun dunnnn

One day, we will see some connection between the 2 worlds. Certain similarities amongst worlds may not be an accident.

Frebaut : ask your Grampa about the poem

Where is the dead dragon? :o

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Originally Posted by BadJoeRed

what if it's Drogaroga? dun dun dunnnn

One day, we will see some connection between the 2 worlds. Certain similarities amongst worlds may not be an accident.

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intersting, what other similarities did you noticed ? I like the drogaroga idea :)

Moh dhona or w/e the area is called. you will see a crashed ship that looks like a tower And what looks like decaying wings on the top. inbetween the wings you see a intacted head. Skin and all. Typically..... ff games are not that...... >.> ummm gory. Even gusgan mines was just spirits and holograms styles spirits no decaying bodies. from the ff games I've played that is the first decaying corpse deco I've seen.
So my guess there is a purpose of that.

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Originally Posted by Kilta_Firelotus

Moh dhona or w/e the area is called. you will see a crashed ship that looks like a tower And what looks like decaying wings on the top. inbetween the wings you see a intacted head. Skin and all. Typically..... ff games are not that...... >.> ummm gory. Even gusgan mines was just spirits and holograms styles spirits no decaying bodies. from the ff games I've played that is the first decaying corpse deco I've seen.
So my guess there is a purpose of that.

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Can you find/link me a close shot of the dragon. I can only find distant ones so far. I want to see the skin and all.

something about a volcano? ;)

Ah I know now what dragon you mean, I was always trying to reach him. Isn't that dragon Bahamut from the intro movie? Tomorrow I'll have another look ;D Could be indeed suitable for this poem.

on ps3.... so no.

look up youtube there are several "exploration" vids. And you see the head with its eyes staring out.

That zone is the only "hell on earth" location. The spewing fire could also be the raining fire balls players see in their first echo. Where a voice is saying hear feel think or something ti that effect.

Sounds like a crafting recipe!

You have to stand next to the sea at twilight and craft swords..

I haven't figured the seeds part out though =(

Almost ffxi-esque, where you must stand facing NNE on fullmoon during watersday while a tarutaru summoner gets interrupted on his second cast, etc.

I prefer my FF14 poems to be in limerick form, to be honest...

My opinion is we are getting a Cataclysm. They already said that they are redesigning the zones so maybe they are going to tie the zone redesign in with the danger and threat that is incoming to Eorzea. Some huge event that will reshape the land as we know it and alter everything we know so far, who knows what they will come up with.

I also think that we are going to have some type of event that changes the world. I wonder if it happens before the PS3 version release, and I wonder how it will be handled for them if this is the case. The transition from peaceful to a catastrophe is significant, and should be played by all players.

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Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.

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"Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons"
This means to me at least:
"Not until the sun sets can the water reflect the moons' light."
This could refer to the autumnal equinox (since the original sentence kind of gives a sense of balance between night and day) which coincidentally is one year from the CE launch.

"Heavens spew crimson flame,"
This probably ties in with the vision of fire falling from the sky seen in a few cut-scenes.

"hells seep black dooms."
Probably refers to some kind of monsters or whatever, tying in to some kind of end-game situation.

"Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace."
To be honest I think this might have to do with the Level Cap being raised from 50-55(or 60).

"Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace."
Leads me to believe that some kind of AF weapon or what-not will be introduced as part of the end-game.

Of course this is all just speculation.

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Originally Posted by MHB3000

Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.

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Here's how I interpret this:

Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
At the end of the day, things are going to change
(read: we've a new year and a new challenge ahead)

Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Fire will rain from the sky destroying all you thought you knew, and new hellish enemies will appear.
(read: we'll be making drastic changes to the game and adding more NM's)

Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Amongst the debris, there will be new growth. Things will be changing quickly.
(read: we'll be rebuilding peoples hopes and dreams for the game)

Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.
We'll fight through the difficult time together with the gods on our side.
(read: we'll all get through this rough patch together. We just need to believe in the game.)

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Originally Posted by StateAlchemist

"Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons"
This means to me at least:
"Not until the sun sets can the water reflect the moons' light."
This could refer to the autumnal equinox (since the original sentence kind of gives a sense of balance between night and day) which coincidentally is one year from the CE launch.

"Heavens spew crimson flame,"
This probably ties in with the vision of fire falling from the sky seen in a few cut-scenes.

"hells seep black dooms."
Probably refers to some kind of monsters or whatever, tying in to some kind of end-game situation.

"Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace."
To be honest I think this might have to do with the Level Cap being raised from 50-55(or 60).

"Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace."
Leads me to believe that some kind of AF weapon or what-not will be introduced as part of the end-game.

Of course this is all just speculation.

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Good stuff you seem spot on with the first couple lines ^^

What I wanna know is where are verses one through six of these "divine chronicles"?

pretty much all we know is the age of adventure is coming to an end and the age of strife will start.

I am a firm believer that this is in fact part of the "Epitaph of Twilight" in disguise, we are all doomed

Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
This definately means 'the sea can't reflect the moon until the sun sets, as far as I know water doesn't reflect in this game so maybe this some how refers to the next full motion video that we will see??
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
The heavens part is referring to the great balls of fire seen in all the opening cut scenes, as far as the black dooms goes, who knows.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
I think this line means 'life goes on after death'. Kind of like how a forest grows a few years after its been burnt down.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.
This could mean anything, stupid metaphores.

Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.

means to me danger from above, danger from below... basically saying its not going to be so peaceful anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kaboushi

Can you find/link me a close shot of the dragon. I can only find distant ones so far. I want to see the skin and all.

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This is the only "close" one that I've found. http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy..._Mor_Dhona.jpg

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

Ah I know now what dragon you mean, I was always trying to reach him. Isn't that dragon Bahamut from the intro movie? Tomorrow I'll have another look ;D Could be indeed suitable for this poem.

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I'm fairly certain that the dragon from the opening is not Bahamut, as that would mean that he's been dead for quite some time. Also dragons exist as creatures in Eorzea somewhere in the general area of Ishgard. Also I remember an NPC saying something about there being 7 hells once, very interesting stuff lol

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Originally Posted by Dubont

This is the only "close" one that I've found. http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy..._Mor_Dhona.jpg

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thx alot Dubont

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Originally Posted by MHB3000

Yoshi-P posted a picture of a Poem on New Years day 1/1/11 after saying this:

"...In fact, an ancient verse of prophecy was delivered to my person by a messenger from Eorzea not moments ago. But I've never been much of one for poems... Perhaps some of you will have more luck decoding it than I have."


POEM:

Ne'er till land consumes sun can sea bear moons.
Heavens spew crimson flame, hells seep black dooms.
Stray seeds quicken in ash's grey embrace.
Valiant blades forged under the Twelve's good grace.

-Seventh Verse of the Divine Chronicles
Mezaya Thousand Eyes

Link to Picture of Poem:
http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...bb43c4885c1fcc
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This thread is for the discussion of this poem. Please give your theories about the poem's meaning and it's purpose. Interesting theories will be backed up with lore about the game, please be mindful of spoiler alerts while discussing storyline (add a "Spoiler Alert" at the top of a post). Cant wait to hear what the community has to say :)

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Decoding : the activity of making clear or converting from code into plain text; "a secret key or password is required for decryption.

It's a code. That's why it's so hard to read, they were limited to respect a code rule.

I beleive it don't mean anything we think it mean, i think it can be reduced to a 2 or 3 words message.

they are going to burn down gridania.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

I am a firm believer that this is in fact part of the "Epitaph of Twilight" in disguise, we are all doomed

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I was thinking the same thing.