Single player work shop access

What would people think about the development team and yoshi-p allow us players that have our own private estates to be able to make our own airships and submarines. There is alot of stuff I personal want to make and use the requires from mats from exploration that we don\\'t have access to unless you in a fc. I think this would a easy fix to implement. What is the community thoughts.

I kinda want it...... i need more stuff for crafting, but i am still doing firmament advanced crafting nowadays, but more content is always welcome, but the workshop are unique and has value because it was FC stuff only, i dont think making it personal stuff is in the dev mind at this point, i mean not everyone has house, including me........

Fc's need an income stream, as it is the market is flooded the sub drops don't retain their value long. There are many ways to make gil. Leave something for fcs. If want to work on sub stuff ask the fc leader to give you permissions to the workshop. So really everyone already can use a workshop, maybe not to send out subs but to build houses. Subs are just fc retainer ventures nothing more!

botfarm already exist, just look at W2 Goblet on any materia server.

having personal airships is just a bonus for private housing, it wont affect anything.

If they do make it content accessible to people outside of FCs, I would like it to be linked to the ownership of an Apartment rather than a house, because the houses have a rather limited supply.

It's long overdue they put airship and subs at Grand Company like Squadrons. Too many people want access to this and can't because they are FC only and for the most part controlled by the leaderships.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

It's long overdue they put airship and subs at Grand Company like Squadrons. Too many people want access to this and can't because they are FC only and for the most part controlled by the leaderships.

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I agree with you leadership controls the subs so I created my own FC to have that access. Id rather people make their own Fc's to get the access than to water it down as the Op suggests and everyone and their grand ma having a air ship. Not everyone can fly planes and subs that's why you have to have a college degree and on the job training.

You guys have airships and submarines?

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I hear about something like this existed, some times shows up in FC chat.. no idea what is it or what it does.. probably a content locked up behind housing and FC.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

I agree with you leadership controls the subs so I created my own FC to have that access. Id rather people make their own Fc's to get the access than to water it down as the Op suggests and everyone and their grand ma having a air ship. Not everyone can fly planes and subs that's why you have to have a college degree and on the job training.

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It would remove the motivations for those abusing FC ownership simply by owning whole wards to make gil using these perks. I don't agree they should keep them exclusive to those with FC's and everyone should have access. The reasons behind the exclusivity are pretty transparent it's because people with access can make a lot of gil and they obviously prefer to keep it limited.

This is really nothing more than a sophisticated venture program limited to a select few and should shop.

The biggest problem will be that fuel is tied to FC credits - Crows Drop costs quite a bit at the level you need to get Balsamic clay.

So, if they are available at a personal level, fuel tanks would need to be added to the GC vendor, and it's going to cost roughly about 60,000 to 80,000 GC seals per sub per trip. Yeah, this is the upper limit, and it's going to be a close to a year before you rank high enough to do that, but that many GC seals a day is a lot of GC seals for a solo player.

However, if you want to do it OP, nothing at all is stopping you making your own FC, leveling it to rank 6, buying a house, and doing it. Just be prepared to put in a lot of learning and a large chunk of solo crafting/dungeon hand-ins to buy fuel.

Think of it as the gate.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

However, if you want to do it OP, nothing at all is stopping you making your own FC, leveling it to rank 6, buying a house, and doing it. Just be prepared to put in a lot of learning and a large chunk of solo crafting/dungeon hand-ins to buy fuel.

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Well, the lack of houses to buy is stopping people from buying said house and preventing them partaking in the system.

Which is why it shouldn't be linked to houses.


Either the Apartment, or Grand Company Squadron. Though I think the Grand Company Squadron would make even more sense than the Apartment.

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Originally Posted by Amelimie

Fc's need an income stream

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Why? That's what its members are for.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

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Fuel and time are still the primary issues.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Fuel and time are still the primary issues.

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Fuel costs can be adjusted with any new implementation. With respect to time I don't think that should necessarily change for those wanting to do the content should have to work for it.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Fuel costs can be adjusted with any new implementation.

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I don't think it should. Why should something that sells for 1 or 2 million gil be earnable with a few hundred GC seals?

I do think a major solo craft project would be an awesome thing, instead of a round of relics perhaps

I would love this. It would be something I would enjoy :)

It is always funny the arguments people make to lock the Workshop stuff behind an FC with a House.

"Our FC needs an income stream"
Yeah, and what exactly do you need that income stream for? Are you paying taxes on your house?
The workshop runs on materials that are farmed via DoL and crafted by DoH. Any gil required is a pittance, or you just want to speed it up by buying that stuff on the Marketboard.

And then this gets thrown around: "There are many ways to make gil in this game. Leave Workshops to the FCs."
By this logic, FC members can make gil with all those other means. If you want an FC that hosts events or giveaways, start getting your members to farm and donate. You don't need to rely on the Workshop to cover it all.

Workshop Projects may be open to members in a number of FCs, but there are just as many FCs that lock it behind a privileged few. And the same goes for Airships and Submarines.

This further fouls up Housing, because now we have small FCs that want access to this stuff, and require a House to do so. The result? We get tons of small FCs taking up housing, specifically to get a workshop.

Countless times I've seen people say they don't care about Housing. They would be satisfied with an apartment. But they need a House for Gardening. They need an FC house for the Workshop.

Island Sanctuary seems like the first step towards part of this problem.
Adding the Workshop to the Grand Company and making it more accessible needs to be the next step.

Ceruleum Tanks do NOT need to cost Company Credits. They do not need to cost tens of thousands of Grand Company seals (that's utterly ridiculous and I don't even know why that was suggested as a thing.) It would be simple enough to set tanks at 100 to 200 seals apiece or less.

There is worry about this crashing the markets. Again...so what? The economy in XIV is dreadful already. There are players who have been around since 1.0 with billions of gil stashed away. Already seen people bragging about how they are exploiting the markets to gouge people when new furniture or glam pieces are available and require components from Voyages or EX content.

I can get why some want FCs want to keep Voyages as an exclusive feature. It's an easy way to make gil without having to really do anything. Just send it out and let it bring the loot back for you. Once you are leveled up, it's easy to outfit a Submarine to farm a given area for valuable materials. Or to run Projects for new Exteriors and then sell them for exorbitant prices.

I don't agree with the idea of giving the free company workshop out to any individual. I don't think most would actually want to deal with it anyway. A lot goes into building and maintaining airships and subs. I've been handling this stuff for my FC for over a year now. It's something of a drag and it only yields so much. There's a lot of downtime once it comes back with everything we're looking for. The airships are dormant until the day they hopefully expand that system again.

Consider reaching out to people to find out if you can get stuff made or just find what you want on the marketboard. Why does the dev team need to spend so much effort on something so trivial as an item you can just purchase?

Not until they expand personal house sharing to more than 3 people.

I can see why people would want this, but I'd hard disagree.

For a start it would kill the value of anything from airships, because the supply would be flooded. That in turn means no point in airships, because you could just buy almost everything for peanuts. I don't feel that every ingame item should be available on a plate for everyone in the game just because they want it. They've already destroyed the value of almost every minion from StB and HW due to those GC lootboxes to the point where they might as well just add them to everyone's collection on log in.
This would also force SE to remove all the raw gil from salvaged items, which is a punishment to legitimate FC's who use them for funds.

I do agree single player or extremely small FC's and bots should be cracked down on.

I also think players really need to stop rewarding bad FC leaders who use the submarine fleet and FC chest as their own personal income. Too many players join these bad FC's with the reason "I'm just here for FC buffs, whatever" and enable greedy leaders to get away with this. Decent well-run FC's have buffs too and lots of other benefits on top.
My own FC gives every bit of gil from our subs and garden back to the members. Events with big prizes, free raid food, raid pots, materia, thavnarian onions, krakka, dyes, minions and so on. It baffles me that people willingly fuel one players greed when so many great FC's exist out there.

It is SE's choice,

If you cut a content from your game or lock it behind impossible barrier (aka housing lottery) it is your choice, it will result with less content.
I am fine with it. Other games can provide what you cant. It is called competition and it is a good thing.

I can make a stronghold in Lost Ark and call it my FFXIV home no big deal :3

Yes please, so annoying not having access to some materials without wasting gils on the market board. I prefer getting my material myself most of the time unless i'm in a lazy phase.

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Originally Posted by Syln

Yes please, so annoying not having access to some materials without wasting gils on the market board. I prefer getting my material myself most of the time unless i'm in a lazy phase.

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I hear my friends talk about not wasting gil and they have it in the tens of millions. You could legit farm all the gil you ever need for these items before they get around to even considering a move like this. If you can afford a house for a workshop, you can afford these items easily.