Healing potions & Phoenix Down (Revision Idea)

Dear Square Enix developers would it be beneficial to change the way dps/and tanks heal themselves?

Can we have healing skills removed or "Nerfed" related to dps and tanks. for the regular use of healing potions; ones that scale to the dungeons, raids and open world content we run. I feel like their use has gone stale for higher tiers and would like to see them revisited in all content. I don't know if this was requested previously.

And I feel that phoenix downs should be an instant use a kin to potions. But with a carry limit of 5 stacks. With multiple uses per dungeon and one use per raid; per player. To limit the players from overuse. I believe this would improve the quality of gameplay and lessen frustrations.

I always wondered why we even have healing pots and such.
They are pretty much useless and never used.
It would be nice if people actually had a use for them during content.

No it is outdated content and no longer needed other than STR / INT / DEX boost and food.
I don't want to spend my entire day with crafting before raid.

Additional preparation for needed consumables extra layer of chore work IMO.

No thanks, current self healing is convenient and far from being overpower for dps.

As for the phœnix down, as i see it you should be able to stack 99 in your inventory but be limited to only one use per boss fight and as you said yeah make it instant.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I always wondered why we even have healing pots and such.
They are pretty much useless and never used.
It would be nice if people actually had a use for them during content.

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I think everyone knew about this to some degree but the items i see that retain the most usage and this mostly deals with raiding is tincture potions. And I feel like the reason gameplay for pve content gets dull is because there's no real interaction with healing potions, gold needles, antidotes ect. It really needs to be kept up to date like the other content. I wouldn't mind if war and pld were the most heal centric tank classes. But also nerfing their potencies would make up for the use of potions effective again in that regard when needed.

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Originally Posted by Insertusernamehere

No it is outdated content and no longer needed other than STR / INT / DEX boost and food.

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Did it occur to you that the TC might be asking for the devs to change this "outdated content" problem so that they'd, you know, no longer be outdated?

As for your "chorework" argument... I really just can't agree with you there. Sorry.

Yes, please! Certain jobs, like Dancer, Dark Knight, Paladin, Monk and Red Mage make sense to have their own self sustain capabilities, but the rest just don't.

I really like the way new PVP made healing potions relevant again and would LOVE for a similar system to the PvP potions be reworked into the PvE side of the game.

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Originally Posted by Wind-Krysvein

Did it occur to you that the TC might be asking for the devs to change this "outdated content" problem so that they'd, you know, no longer be outdated?

As for your "chorework" argument... I really just can't agree with you there. Sorry.

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They can start with deleting gysahl greens and assign chocobo summon skill in chocobo menu..
Also they can try seperate tokens / totems / books from main inventory, or.. they can provide additional inventory space before filling it more clutter.

If they are going to sell those potions in NPC shop with small price tag I am totally okay with it but no forced crafting please. I will buy 2000x and put it skill bar and forget about it use it as skill, same as eureka.

With how unresponsive items feel in combat, I do not need them being any more useful than they currently are. That is to say, not useful at all. I already feel like using my 1-2 pots per fight is too much of a gamble if the input is going to go through or disappear somewhere in spaghetti code and animation lock.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I always wondered why we even have healing pots and such.

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It's funny, because I actually always keep a stack of HQ Super-Potions and HQ Super-Ethers around, as well as Echo Drops, Spine Drops, and Antidote. Most of those (Echo Drops, Spine Drops, Antidote, Super-Potions) are because I run deep dungeon content -- including attempting solo runs -- and those are super useful in a solo run. (But Spine Drops are useful even in other instances when an entire party gets paralyzed and I'm not the healer -- I can just cleanse my own paralysis and make one less thing the healer needs to deal with Esuna'ing.)

But Super-Ethers, I mostly have used in PF PUG progression of savage fights. When you need to pick up a lot of folks off the floor as quickly as possible, being able to instantly replenish a big chunk of your MP is super useful. Not so much in savage after progression, because your potions will likely be on a big cooldown timer after popping a raid pot, but during progression? Having those Super-Ethers has been a thing I'm very glad about on more than one occasion.

*Bump* >->

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I always wondered why we even have healing pots and such.
They are pretty much useless and never used.
It would be nice if people actually had a use for them during content.

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I'd like to place you in the position of White Mage Learning P3S Without Super-Ethers. :D

Potions and Phoenix Downs are used in Palace of the Dead and Heaven-on-High, so we might get a new set of potions for the new deep dungeon.

They are very useful in low level content when your healer needs some help or disconnected. You can use them if you do a dungeon without a healer too.

It would be fun if we could use them in raids more, but for that the recast time would need to be separated from tinctures and it would help for the animation delay to be reduced. I would like it if we could use the potions on others like in most FF games.

I wouldn't mind seeing Potions be improved, maybe lower the % healed but remove the Max heal cap from them (and in it's place a minimum heal amount for lower level users).

Like currently the highest we have is HQ Super-Potion healing 25% of Max HP, but with a 3600 Cap.
Take it down to like 15%-20% of Max HP, and make it heal a minimum of the 3600.

I actually use potions fairly regularly on dps jobs, especially when I make a mistake in a raid. I’m sure the healers will get to me, but just in case it’ll give me a safety bump.

That said, anything but the highest one is pretty useless…

The biggest thing they’d have to do is make them not share a cooldown with stat potions, if your group is pushing dps checks you can’t use healing pots anyway because your stat pot has a 4 and a half minute shared cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Syln

As for the phœnix down, as i see it you should be able to stack 99 in your inventory but be limited to only one use per boss fight and as you said yeah make it instant.

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Doesn't need to be once per boss, but a heavy cooldown, like 2-4 minutes, would work and make it a case of "Sorry guys, I can only rez you twice this fight. Don't die!"

Yes please, I always hear healers complaining that there's too much to heal and that others should be able to heal themselves more.


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Honestly, just make PvE healing like it works in PvP. Everyone uses MP to heal n a 2.5 to 3 sec cast to restore it, rework the casters so their spells don't use MP (like BLM can keep its rotation n all just cast fire 4 X times n switch to umbral ice like everyone does now n have ice be the thing that recharges your fire 4 casts), call healers support n rework them so they deal dmg n give dps buffs like the old AST cards as a example. That would make doing everything in the game much more interesting n more like a RPG where your survival is in your own hands.

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Originally Posted by Katori96

Honestly, just make PvE healing like it works in PvP. Everyone uses MP to heal n a 2.5 to 3 sec cast to restore it, rework the casters so their spells don't use MP (like BLM can keep its rotation n all just cast fire 4 X times n switch to umbral ice like everyone does now n have ice be the thing that recharges your fire 4 casts), call healers support n rework them so they deal dmg n give dps buffs like the old AST cards as a example. That would make doing everything in the game much more interesting n more like a RPG where your survival is in your own hands.

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Recently, when healers have died in dungeons and I'm on a melee DPS, I've had enough self-heals to survive. DRG has Second Wind, Life Surge and Bloodbath and they are really good.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Recently, when healers have died in dungeons and I'm on a melee DPS, I've had enough self-heals to survive. DRG has Second Wind, Life Surge and Bloodbath and they are really good.

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Honestly that's why I like playing RPGs (that's why I thought I'd like XIV for a long time). You work with the tools you got n if the thing ur fighting dies it dies awesome! I would love to see that kind of individuality from a RPG make its way back into a MMO because lately it feels like MMOs n RPGs are no longer mmorpgs but rather completely different from one another.