Suggestion. Removal of gender-locked hair.

So they started removing the gender lock on some gear (mostly store bought) allowing for the advent of cat boy maids and bunny boy maids. But there is still a lock on hair. As a dude with long hair, bit annoying how limited hair options are based on gender. And unlike gear it's not like you'd need to change proportions much or anything, literally just allow access to assets that are already there.

You know, you could just choose a female avatar.

But I don't want to play a female avatar. You could also just not lock hairstyles to gender which serves no function and would take next to zero effort to make universal.

Agreed, I also prefer to wear long hair regardless of my character's gender. The game in general is lacking in distinct hairstyles that cater to the differences between the sexes. If that must be the case, then let either sex use them.

There's hardly any "heroic" long fantasy hero hair for men and there's barely any long hair that gives off "heroine" vibes for females aside from Venat's hairstyle which no one can access. The shared hairs that all female races have are quite lackluster.

The only race that does long hair generally well seems to be Viera, but I shouldn't have to play as a limited race to be able to use hair that looks good.

Frankly yeah, I think unlocking hairstyles would give people on both sides of the fence more options that they might want. They've sort of stopped genderlocking most hair releases lately (both masc and femme styles, though the latter has... more entries, obviously), so it'd be nice to see older ones unlocked later down the line.

After they get Viera and Hrothgar sorted, anyway - I think we can all agree those races need much more attention than they're getting, before we ever go back to do massive un-genderlocking of old hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

It won't stop until your avatar being male is only recognized by the game's engine.

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And that's a bad thing why, exactly? Don't answer, I already know.

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

But I don't want to play a female avatar. You could also just not lock hairstyles to gender which serves no function and would take next to zero effort to make universal.

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This argument does not work. It is a hell of a lot more work for the dev team to take a hairstyle [and attire] clearly designed for female models, and get them to work on males than it to just change to a female.

Your request is the exact reason why I oppose removing restrictions, because it just doesn't stop. You want the attire, then the hair, then the emotes, then a bust slider. It won't stop until your avatar being male is only recognized by the game's engine. Just change to female. Fantasy is really awesome like that.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Agreed, I also prefer to wear long hair regardless of my character's gender. The game in general is lacking in distinct hairstyles that cater to the differences between the sexes.

There's hardly any "heroic" long fantasy hero hair for men and there's barely any long hair that gives off "heroine" vibes for females aside from Venat's hairstyle which no one can access. The shared hairs that all female races have are quite lackluster.

The only race that does long hair generally well seems to be Viera, but I shouldn't have to play as a limited race to be able to use hair that looks good.

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Which is weird considering it's a Japanese anime game. You'd expect a ton of long hair options like other Japanese anime games. Only reason there aren't is due to laziness really. Can't make a clipping argument these days when everything fucking clips anyway. Same counter-argument to the Viera hat issue. Just cut holes in the hats or let the ears clip through. Just pure laziness.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Frankly yeah, I think unlocking hairstyles would give people on both sides of the fence more options that they might want. They've sort of stopped genderlocking most hair releases lately (both masc and femme styles, though the latter has... more entries, obviously), so it'd be nice to see older ones unlocked later down the line.

After they get Viera and Hrothgar sorted, anyway - I think we can all agree those races need much more attention than they're getting, before we ever go back to do massive un-genderlocking of old hairstyles.

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Yeah hair is a minor problem to the clusterfuck that is the Viera and Roecat issue. That shouldn't be a issue when they're the newest races added so should theoretically be the MOST polished.

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

But I don't want to play a female avatar. You could also just not lock hairstyles to gender which serves no function and would take next to zero effort to make universal.

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You know it's taken 3 years for Viera and Hrothgar to get shared hairstyles right? It's not as simple when SE are on a tight schedule have deadlines to meet.

They're going out of their way to make clothes unisex, they shouldn't put everything on hold because a few people want to wear a hairstyle that was made for a female character. They're getting around to un-genderlocking things one thing at a time, it'll take a while.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

This argument does not work. It is a hell of a lot more work for the dev team to take a hairstyle [and attire] clearly designed for female models, and get them to work on males than it to just change to a female.

Your request is the exact reason why I oppose removing restrictions, because it just doesn't stop. You want the attire, then the hair, then the emotes, then a bust slider. It won't stop until your avatar being male is only recognized by the game's engine. Just change to female. Fantasy is really awesome like that.

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Hair is literally a matter of changing head size a little. Unlike race it doesn't require much there really isn't much different between the genders here aside fro maybe the Au Ra which are very sexually dimorphic. To go and make the base ones the same wouldn't be too difficult. If a modder can do it for free and it doesn't mess with the code causing crashes everything, no reason they can't do it especially when its less work in the long run than releasing gender locked hairstyles when you can roll out a single hairstyle for everyone.

We already have a bust slider, it does nothing if you notice making it mute. Some gear gives bigger tits than others which also makes no sense. Why do you think every female player runs around in 2B tights and the only tops that give their characters boobs above A-cups. These characters asses otherwise are flatter than mine. And you can't make some family friendly argument when half the female bosses are sexualized as well. It just comes down to laziness. Most asking for sliders arn't asking for jiggle physics anime boobs either, just real-world level differences. But that's a side topic and one I don't really care for but just find amusing.

All I'm asking for is non-gender-locked hairstyles so my character doesn't have shorter hair than I do in real life.

Just give me Snow's hair and I'll be happy.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

You know it's taken 3 years for Viera and Hrothgar to get shared hairstyles right? It's not as simple when SE are on a tight schedule have deadlines to meet.

They're going out of their way to make clothes unisex, they shouldn't put everything on hold because a few people want to wear a hairstyle that was made for a female character. They're getting around to un-genderlocking things one thing at a time, it'll take a while.

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Outsource the labor. We have a modding community. Just pick a good one that doesn't require some insane amount of data, pay the modder or ask if they can use it and implement it. They basically do for hairstyle/furniture design contests. Only unlike those this would be already developed working code that to roll out would be no different than downloading and installing yourself. Also, they arn't a damn small indie company but a billion dollar one and this is THE most popular MMO in the world. Pretty sure they can accomplish the herculean feat of cosmetics.

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

Hair is literally a matter of changing head size a little. Unlike race it doesn't require much there really isn't much different between the genders here aside fro maybe the Au Ra which are very sexually dimorphic. To go and make the base ones the same wouldn't be too difficult. If a modder can do it for free and it doesn't mess with the code causing crashes everything, no reason they can't do it especially when its less work in the long run than releasing gender locked hairstyles when you can roll out a single hairstyle for everyone.

We already have a bust slider, it does nothing if you notice making it mute. Some gear gives bigger tits than others which also makes no sense. Why do you think every female player runs around in 2B tights and the only tops that give their characters boobs above A-cups. These characters asses otherwise are flatter than mine. And you can't make some family friendly argument when half the female bosses are sexualized as well. It just comes down to laziness. Most asking for sliders arn't asking for jiggle physics anime boobs either, just real-world level differences. But that's a side topic and one I don't really care for but just find amusing.

All I'm asking for is non-gender-locked hairstyles so my character doesn't have shorter hair than I do in real life.

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I do not care about your RL hair, and neither does anyone else. Only you care about it. I care about the dev team placing their time and recourses that benefits the entire playerbase rather than a select few with an identity crisis. There are long hair options for males, I can think of at least two; and even the game's actual female avatars have very few long hair options. Many of the players who actually use female avatars would love to have more longer hair options. Ever consider how they would feel if the time the dev team could have to release more of those designs, they are instead going back to the drawing board to make existing styles work for models they were never intended for in the first place.

I'd love to use some of the female exclusive styles. More options are always nice.

specifically ones like this:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...vqLag&usqp=CAU

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Originally Posted by Gemina

You know, you could just choose a female avatar.

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If you're going to go that route, just unlock them for Lalafells exclusively. You might as well, it's not like our models differ between the sexes :P

I don't see why everyone's up in arms over the idea of having hairstyles not be locked between the genders. It's hair. You can just cut it. A large chunk of the new ones are given to both regardless of how they look nowadays anyway, so I don't really see the issue about doing it for the older ones.

Go ahead.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I do not care about your RL hair, and neither does anyone else. Only you care about it. I care about the dev team placing their time and recourses that benefits the entire playerbase rather than a select few with an identity crisis. There are long hair options for males, I can think of at least two; and even the game's actual female avatars have very few long hair options. Many of the players who actually use female avatars would love to have more longer hair options. Ever consider how they would feel if the time the dev team could have to release more of those designs, they are instead going back to the drawing board to make existing styles work for models they were never intended for in the first place.

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I feel like you're coming off a bit rude for his request. I don't think it's unfair for him to want that for male avatars. I wish they would unlock all the hairstyles and give us more hair options in general. Hairstyles are just lacking lately tbh. Even the new hairstyles they came out with for Viera give the biggest forehead, most of them are unwearable. I wish they would put more resources into the cosmetic part of ffxiv

I just wanna remind everyone that there's already many cross-gender hairstyles that they've been adding throughout the years and that we have no reason to believe they'll stop doing that with more hairstyles.

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Originally Posted by Minthe

I feel like you're coming off a bit rude for his request. I don't think it's unfair for him to want that for male avatars. I wish they would unlock all the hairstyles and give us more hair options in general. Hairstyles are just lacking lately tbh. Even the new hairstyles they came out with for Viera give the biggest forehead, most of them are unwearable. I wish they would put more resources into the cosmetic part of ffxiv

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I just recently pointed out how it is unfair. The players who actually choose to play female avatars get arsed out when the devs choose to cater to a small but loud and entitled portion of the playerbase. But it isn't just the female avatars, it's everyone. That time they take to rework these items so everyone can use them is time lost towards developing new styles. You are under a false pretense that removing gender lock increases options, when it actually does the exact opposite.

I don't have an issue with the releasing new gear that is not locked. But if they choose to restrict hairstyles, gear, emotes, whatever AND its released, then just leave it be.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

This argument does not work. It is a hell of a lot more work for the dev team to take a hairstyle [and attire] clearly designed for female models, and get them to work on males than it to just change to a female.

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You can't compare those things against each other because it's not the same people doing the work, even if you overlook the fact that a man with long hair is not the same thing as a woman. (Or is there something we need to be telling Estinien...?)

There are quite a few plain long hairstyles that are currently female-only but would be fine as long styles for men. Some of the race-locked hairstyles or the early universal styles where they were still gendered, like the dreadlocks and the long wavy style. And then you have unlockable styles like Alma's that would look fantastic as a historical men's style. (I would love to dress up one of my male characters with that hairstyle and the High House justaucorps, but my only option for that combination is to crossdress one of my female characters.)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

You can't compare those things against each other because it's not the same people doing the work, even if you overlook the fact that a man with long hair is not the same thing as a woman. (Or is there something we need to be telling Estinien...?)

There are quite a few plain long hairstyles that are currently female-only but would be fine as long styles for men. Some of the race-locked hairstyles or the early universal styles where they were still gendered, like the dreadlocks and the long wavy style. And then you have unlockable styles like Alma's that would look fantastic as a historical men's style. (I would love to dress up one of my male characters with that hairstyle and the High House justaucorps, but my only option for that combination is to crossdress one of my female characters.)

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It doesn't matter if there are different teams. This is a matter of knowing how time works.Time is still being allocated towards a rework. If two cars are going to the exact same destination and one takes the main route, while the other takes a detour; time that can never be regained is still lost by the second car that took the detour.

A style like Alma's or any other that is gender locked isn't necessarily an issue of how feasible it is for it to be worn on other races and genders. If that was the case, I would make an issue about hairstyles with cross availability that look absolutely atrocious and was an utter waste of time to implement. It has more to do with those styles having already been released.

The last thing I will mention about time, is how people will shift their arguments depending on how it works for them. Tanks pulling the whole dungeon? Well, we need to save time. Time needed to release restrictions on gear? Eff the dev's time, they need to figure out a way to get it done. See what I mean?

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

So they started removing the gender lock on some gear (mostly store bought) allowing for the advent of cat boy maids and bunny boy maids. But there is still a lock on hair. As a dude with long hair, bit annoying how limited hair options are based on gender. And unlike gear it's not like you'd need to change proportions much or anything, literally just allow access to assets that are already there.

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No. not until viera and hrothgar get more hairstyles and that hrothgar get the proper treatment they need and not that half assed stuff they got this past patch.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

The last thing I will mention about time, is how people will shift their arguments depending on how it works for them. Tanks pulling the whole dungeon? Well, we need to save time. Time needed to release restrictions on gear? Eff the dev's time, they need to figure out a way to get it done. See what I mean?

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People want time spent on things that they consider important? What a bizarre concept.

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Originally Posted by KurohNeko

So they started removing the gender lock on some gear (mostly store bought) allowing for the advent of cat boy maids and bunny boy maids. But there is still a lock on hair. As a dude with long hair, bit annoying how limited hair options are based on gender. And unlike gear it's not like you'd need to change proportions much or anything, literally just allow access to assets that are already there.

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It'd be more fruitful if you would post in the hair megathread so this doesn't get drowned out as a single thread
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...es-Facial-Hair

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Originally Posted by Iscah

People want time spent on things that they consider important? What a bizarre concept.

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Defeatist comments like this won't help, and I also thought were a bit behind you Iscah. You know that is not what I meant at all. My point is time is valuable, and nobody's time should be disregarded.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Defeatist comments like this won't help, and I also thought were a bit behind you Iscah. You know that is not what I meant at all. My point is time is valuable, and nobody's time should be disregarded.

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No, I don't know what you mean if it isn't what you said.

People get frustrated at doing a task slowly when the same outcome could be achieved with a quicker method.

People ask game developers to make things that they would like to see in the game.

I don't see how wanting both of these things simultaneously is in any way contradictory. You want time to be spent on things that you regard as useful.

The two things are a poor contrast in any case. One (reaching the end of a dungeon) is something that will happen whether it happens quickly or slowly. The other (altering a model to make it available) is something that cannot exist without having some amount of time spent on it.

Gimme Snow's hair!

Don't see why not tbh

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Originally Posted by Gemina

It doesn't matter if there are different teams. This is a matter of knowing how time works.Time is still being allocated towards a rework. If two cars are going to the exact same destination and one takes the main route, while the other takes a detour; time that can never be regained is still lost by the second car that took the detour.

A style like Alma's or any other that is gender locked isn't necessarily an issue of how feasible it is for it to be worn on other races and genders. If that was the case, I would make an issue about hairstyles with cross availability that look absolutely atrocious and was an utter waste of time to implement. It has more to do with those styles having already been released.

The last thing I will mention about time, is how people will shift their arguments depending on how it works for them. Tanks pulling the whole dungeon? Well, we need to save time. Time needed to release restrictions on gear? Eff the dev's time, they need to figure out a way to get it done. See what I mean?

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I don't think anyone actually knows the true timeline of what's happening behind the scenes, nor are involved in the meetings discussing them. So, expressing a desire for something in a game and attempting to get a gauge from the community on the subject isn't some sort of affront like your posts appear to suggest it is. Even so, if players are interested in something, or do want something, it's not really on my end as a paying customer to actually care about the difficulty or technicality involved when it comes to implementation - it doesn't mean that I don't care about the development team as humans and the potential pressure they might be under in general, but it does mean I think the game might deserve more resources from the AAA company it's a part of to make some more things possible.

Though, what is important to you and what you believe the team ought to put resources in, is a subjective opinion that concerns what you want the most. Not really any different from what the OP has posted, to be frank. Everyone has an opinion on where resources, development time, or additions and potential solutions to a plethora of aspects about this game should go and, generally speaking, it'll be up to the development team and its leadership to decide what the best route is with regards to these things.

All that said, I've felt that hairstyles should just be available to whomever would want to use them. They are, ultimately, just hairstyles.

Sigh.. you people.
First it's hair. What next?
No more gender locked gear? And for gear with different gender look, people can choose which look they wanna use? Hmmmm!?
wait...................
can we also add dyeable mounts to the list? xD

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Originally Posted by hagare

Sigh.. you people.
First it's hair. What next?
No more gender locked gear? And for gear with different gender look, people can choose which look they wanna use? Hmmmm!?
wait...................
can we also add dyeable mounts to the list? xD

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I don't get it, is this supposed to be sarcasm? This is sarcasm, right?

Unrelated to anything else in the thread so far, I have to say I cringe every time I see the phrasing of the thread title and picture it being literally interpreted as removing the hairstyles rather than unlocking them.

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Originally Posted by anhaato

I don't get it, is this supposed to be sarcasm? This is sarcasm, right?

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at this point, even I don't know

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Originally Posted by hagare

Sigh.. you people.
First it's hair. What next?
No more gender locked gear? And for gear with different gender look, people can choose which look they wanna use? Hmmmm!?
wait...................
can we also add dyeable mounts to the list? xD

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yeah that all sounds great, I want everything in this post.

I'd personally rather see more manly hairstyles, it could include longer ones as well. Vikings used to have longer hair for instance.

Or like the character on my avatar. Cyberpunk inspired hair with cuts and all that.

I'd like to see dev resources put into more hairstyle and new ones. I'd also like to see some effort put into selective head gear for Viera and Hrothgar. I'm not personally in favor of unlocking old styles but that would depend upon the effort needed to do so.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

You know, you could just choose a female avatar.

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Or.... They could be able to use the hairstyles... As someone who comes from a race with limited hairstyles but a love for long hair styles on both male and female characters. There are many haristyles which I have seen on female characters that with some slight tweaking. can work on male characters... Plus. Male Roe have access to a twinbun hairstyle. There are alot of hairstyles, not just the racial ones but the generic hairstyles that all females get access to which would work on male characters. At the same time there are ones which don't. But that's where it comes to either unlocking all hairstyles, or only unlocking certain hairstyles.

Hell, there are already some hairstyles which are available for both male and female characters. Every hairstyle after this in the list is available to both sexes of Hyur. The same is true for all the other races, The only hairstyles which at the moment, are not unlocked are actually a minimum and a small minority of the hairstyles available in game.

Ironically, there ARE a few of even the racial hairstyles that aren't genderlocked. But just take up different slots. Genderlocked hairstyles make up about... 40% of the Hairstyles in game. This is including the Racelocked hairstyles as well. But since Most races (Bar Hrothgar) Use generally the same headshape, just scaled slightly differently. This is definitely feasible.

wow this thread turned into something i'm not surprised about...

i don't have anything against unlocking old hairstyles, but i agree with some of the other posters, i'd rather have more masculine choices along with the feminine choices. i'm really tired of the feminine and unisex hairstyles (thats actually feminine). also - please give male viera more masculine hairstyles. theres... very few.