So that's it ? Samurai is dying in dishonor and SE doesn't care ?

Hey everyone,

As a lot of us I wrote a thread few days ago regarding samurai changes (the worst that could've happened).

I just wanted to know if SE is just ignoring us hard right now and not respecting anybody or if I missed an official answer ? First they are throwing my samurai down the toilets and now being silent about it while they ruined a big part of the game ? Does any of you have news regarding their answer or they just being like WoW developers ignoring players opinion ? You know, like being sure they taking the right decision even if they don't ?
I had to start paladin now because any DPS job feel empty af for me now, but overall this game is feeling less and less satisfying with this **** samurai changes that they didnt even test before release

If any of you have a link or something for SE communication (if there is any ?) could you please share it here ? Thank you!

Think they are extremely busy with all the housing drama but that doesn't mean SAMs should stop demanding to have Kaiten back, at least imo.

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Originally Posted by VincentH

Think they are extremely busy with all the housing drama but that doesn't mean SAMs should stop demanding to have Kaiten back, at least imo.

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Plus, they're probably still looking at data in game on Samurai, while also sifting through the forums on the its feedback.

I give it two weeks to maybe month till we see the SAM changes reverted or they make up some excuse to keep SAM as it is, but reverting something like the auto crit damage to what it used to be.

never have they reverted a job
if they don't do it in 6.15 then expect it in 6.2 so 4 months

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Originally Posted by Duskane

never have they reverted a job
if they don't do it in 6.15 then expect it in 6.2 so 4 months

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SCH got Energy Drain and SAM got Hagakure back after they took it off at some point. So yeah i do believe they can give us Kaiten back.

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Originally Posted by VincentH

SCH got Energy Drain and SAM got Hagakure back after they took it off at some point. So yeah i do believe they can give us Kaiten back.

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yes thats one skill they got back in 5.05
but people are asking for full on reversion of the job which is different

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yes thats one skill they got back in 5.05
but people are asking for full on reversion of the job which is different

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It's not really any different and the majority of the changes are potency shifts which are laughably easy to do, with "one skill" removed as you want to state. All communities are in sync and the opinions are the same no matter what language the feedback is in. This is different from before in that opinions were more mixed on previous adjustments, including Samurai ones.

I liked the depth Hagakure gameplay added in it's original incarnation, but I understood why it had to be removed because it was not easy to get a hang of for a lot of players. But it also created a problem in not allowing us to reset our rotation, so it was added back because it was required for our core identity to function, but in a way where it isn't mandatory to use.

As it is now we're basically just a Monk with a toothpick.

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Originally Posted by neymo

Hey everyone,

As a lot of us I wrote a thread few days ago regarding samurai changes (the worst that could've happened).

I just wanted to know if SE is just ignoring us hard right now and not respecting anybody or if I missed an official answer ? First they are throwing my samurai down the toilets and now being silent about it while they ruined a big part of the game ? Does any of you have news regarding their answer or they just being like WoW developers ignoring players opinion ? You know, like being sure they taking the right decision even if they don't ?
I had to start paladin now because any DPS job feel empty af for me now, but overall this game is feeling less and less satisfying with this **** samurai changes that they didnt even test before release

If any of you have a link or something for SE communication (if there is any ?) could you please share it here ? Thank you!

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I think that they are eventually going to put out some sort of statement and disclose what they plan on doing about what is clearly overwhelming negative sentiment regarding the sam changes. Following the backlash they will have no choice but to re-introduce Kaiten back into our kit and make other changes to address the "bloat" they keep taking about which will more than likely be the merging or skills that players have suggested and in my honest opinion what they should have dont from the beginning but this may just be wishful thinking. Either way, im guessing its going to be another few weeks before they put anything out. =/

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Originally Posted by Roxus

It's not really any different and the majority of the changes are potency shifts which are laughably easy to do, with "one skill" removed as you want to state. All communities are in sync and the opinions are the same no matter what language the feedback is in. This is different from before in that opinions were more mixed on previous adjustments, including Samurai ones.

I liked the depth Hagakure gameplay added in it's original incarnation, but I understood why it had to be removed because it was not easy to get a hang of for a lot of players. But it also created a problem in not allowing us to reset our rotation, so it was added back because it was required for our core identity to function, but in a way where it isn't mandatory to use.

As it is now we're basically just a Monk with a toothpick.

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yeah they also reworked all the iajutsu they have alot of stuff to revert and when i meant "one skill" its all they had to return not the entire Kit like what people are asking.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah they also reworked all the iajutsu they have alot of stuff to revert and when i meant "one skill" its all they had to return not the entire Kit like what people are asking.

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Nothing was "reworked" except Tenka Goken aoe, which whatever if they want to keep that in place for the time being. Everything else was just potency adjustments. It's really not that difficult to adjust potencies. They do it practically every patch.

Oh by "rework" I bet you mean the crit thing. OK. Change whatever database value has crit set to 1 and change it back to whatever the player's crit chance is. I can't imagine it's much more difficult than potency.

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yeah they also reworked all the iajutsu they have alot of stuff to revert and when i meant "one skill" its all they had to return not the entire Kit like what people are asking.

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What? Please stop talking like you know what you're talking about. YukiB commented so I'll refrain from further comments.

Im pissed they havent even addressed the Sam issues. Being silent and not acknowledging it at all is something I thought SE was better than.

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Originally Posted by WorldPeacElbow

Im pissed they havent even addressed the Sam issues. Being silent and not acknowledging it at all is something I thought SE was better than.

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They legit think playerbase is full of not clever people. They always talk about how using external stuff is against tos, meaning that realistically first people who know about dps of classes in current patch are .... well you guess right DEVS, right ....?

Wrong! Based on balance in 6.00 that continued till 6.08, i conclude that SE has no internal devs/testers dedicated to class balance. They tested p4s with only like 1 team that used mnk/rpr/brd/rdm and call it a day. And they waited till players themselfs gather data so they can play heroes and remove reaper from throne. They could easily fit 6.08 changes in 6.05 patch or between 6.00 and 6.05 but no ...

Now SAM dps nerfed, gameplay gets thrown into oblivion because again, developers used what players gathered just to play "heroes" again. Didn't worked this time.

I'm also waiting for SE response. Everyday i check forum, and battle trolls in chat, which don't play SAM, but telling me that removal of Kaiten is good.

I don't want to play other DPS, because they also not feel good now, i liked MNK, when it had greased lightning stacks and positionals, i liked ninja, when it had more melee attacks.
I came back to game after 7 years of retire only to find that my loved jobs became boring, and then i found SAM and cleared Stormblood and Shadowbringers with him, got so many positive vibes from using Kaiten, and now they robbed my job, castrate it and pretend that they don't hear me and other people who speaks about it. I'm getting angry about this.

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Originally Posted by WorldPeacElbow

Im pissed they havent even addressed the Sam issues. Being silent and not acknowledging it at all is something I thought SE was better than.

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When it comes to class design, this is how they have always been. People like to dunk on WoW (and for good reason), but at the very least when they force a change no one wants on the playerbase they make a long blue post and discuss it openly in videos/FAQs. SE, for years now, has done this (homogenization of healers, deleting half of tanks' kits, removing abilities people love in favour of simplification, etc), but have ignored the outrage every time. People love to point to Hagakure being brought back, for example, but the version that was given back gave so little kenki and wasnt on a cooldown anymore so the enjoyment people originally had from it was gone. They have never reverted a rework or major change to classes and they have never put out content going in depth on changes, their reasoning for it, and most importantly their response to the questions players have on the issue. Its good and well to tell us that later in the expac it will scale out of control if they dont make our auto crits weaker than previous non crits, but there have been so many good arguments against this, so many alternatives given for button and action bloat. Why cant they respond and explain why they havent considered those options, why they believe their choice is best, etc.

They have the worst possible combination for patches: No public test server and no post patch discussion with the community. It means changes are a total mystery and done seemingly without player input, then players feel ignored afterwards. A lesson they could learn from Blizzard's failures: an mmo game dev isnt supposed to only make the game they want to make, they also have to make a game that the players want to play. How the players feel and whether they are having fun should be near the top of the priority list.

BRD says Hey, MCH says hello, SMN says how-do-you-do, SCH says greetings, AST says salutations, WHM says Hi, NIN says Hola, DRK says Howdy, honestly what job is thriving ? BLM? RDM? GNB? That’s 3/19 that are all on fire with bad decision after bad decision.

If your not pressed, at some point you’ll draw the line and you know for accessibility sake they’ll cross it