Duty Support - great

Duty Support is superb for those who want to do things at their own pace and suffer from things like anxiety as a healer. Yes it may not prepare the player for "real" duties but it will help a lot on levelling and not sitting in a queue.

People can get used to the duties via this new feature and then also run them in roulette without ending up confused and feeling guilty when they want to watch the cutscenes.

Hope that they add Havensward soon.

The problem with this is that the "trust" system simply doesn't have the AI available to it to be able to deal with multiple mechanics at once.... unlike humans. Which makes the content insatiably boring for the rest of us.

So you can have your solo experience, fine. But don't make the rest of us sacrifice actual difficulty so those of you that don't want a challenge can be carried through content.

In my eyes if you want a solo version of 14 you should be paying extra so the dev team can expand and have their own section dedicated to it. That way we can keep the difficulty and scale it up, I'd rather everyone be made as happy as possible than those that are crying because they can't get through the content, and then punish the rest of us that actually want to play a game with some form of challenge.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

The problem with this is that the "trust" system simply doesn't have the AI available to it to be able to deal with multiple mechanics at once.... unlike humans.

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You've been lucky in DF.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

The problem with this is that the "trust" system simply doesn't have the AI available to it to be able to deal with multiple mechanics at once.... unlike humans. Which makes the content insatiably boring for the rest of us.

So you can have your solo experience, fine. But don't make the rest of us sacrifice actual difficulty so those of you that don't want a challenge can be carried through content.

In my eyes if you want a solo version of 14 you should be paying extra so the dev team can expand and have their own section dedicated to it. That way we can keep the difficulty and scale it up, I'd rather everyone be made as happy as possible than those that are crying because they can't get through the content, and then punish the rest of us that actually want to play a game with some form of challenge.

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I think you might be missing the point of the system. It is there as an option, not a requirement. It's always going to be more advantageous to play with other people. But for those who suffer from anxiety, have limited time, or want to learn at their own pace, this is a great learning tool.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

So you can have your solo experience, fine. But don't make the rest of us sacrifice actual difficulty so those of you that don't want a challenge can be carried through content.

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I am by no means suggesting that anyone should carry anyone else - far from that in fact. What I tried to state was that this new system allows new players to learn the dungeons and trials at their own pace on all their jobs without fear of screwing up and getting the blame from other players and the guilt that follows on from that. They can then team up with players in roulette and know what to do when because they have done the duty before and know it well.

Higher level content (not MSQ duties) are of course not covered by this system and never should be.

And that's fine, in some ways I do agree with you and I'm glad that the game is becoming more accessible to people.

However, the same dev team is working on both systems, but rather than having both trust versions and a normal "difficulty" version we're only getting the dumbed down content. Which again, is fine for those that want that. But for those of us that want dungeons with a bit of flavor and difficulty (the thing that takes up the majority of the time when doing anything combat or weekly related.") We're sitting there pressing one button bored out of our minds.

They are very much slower than the squad.

But is there a way to signal one's tank to perform the pull?

Edit: (answering below me)

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Originally Posted by MagicalChase

Honestly if you get anxiety from healing in normal content in this game you probably shouldn't operate motor vehicles.

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There are so so so many people who drive who really shouldn't be. I think it's a great system to teach brand new healers without pressure.

Edit 2: (I ran out of posts)

One thing I noticed in my Totorak healer trial, the lancer is scarily accurate;

100% frontal positioning on the boss, standing right next to the tank pretty much the entire fight.

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Originally Posted by Bearded

Duty Support is superb for those who want to do things at their own pace and suffer from things like anxiety as a healer.

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Honestly if you get anxiety from healing in normal content in this game you probably shouldn't operate motor vehicles. That said I do think it's a good system for DPS players.

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Originally Posted by MagicalChase

Honestly if you get anxiety from healing in normal content in this game you probably shouldn't operate motor vehicles. That said I do think it's a good system for DPS players.

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It is good for EVERY role, DPS, tank or heal. People have their own reasons to be afraid of engaging group contents. So Trust/Duty Support let people test the water, learn their skills, know the mech, and by the time they return to run Leveling roulette for their alt classes, they would have learned how to tackle the content. Unless you want blind run where players are blind about mech, or even about their own skills.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

The problem with this is that the "trust" system simply doesn't have the AI available to it to be able to deal with multiple mechanics at once.... unlike humans. Which makes the content insatiably boring for the rest of us..

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This is patently false, as a brief excursion into the realm of The Mothercrystal level 89 trial will tell you. (Or the new Praetorium 4-man).

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

The problem with this is that the "trust" system simply doesn't have the AI available to it to be able to deal with multiple mechanics at once.... unlike humans. Which makes the content insatiably boring for the rest of us.

So you can have your solo experience, fine. But don't make the rest of us sacrifice actual difficulty so those of you that don't want a challenge can be carried through content.

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Actual difficulty? dungeons are piss easy most of the time.

Did test run of the new Toto with them and it was faster then average run with other people. With reduced pull size there (not happy about this) can actually live through double pull without using cooldowns. Healer is a tad too heal happy as well.

Squad with all max offensive tactics (two archers especially) absolutely delete these dungeons now and are significantly faster then the average player. If you have Squad unlocked and still have lower level deeps that need the leveling, use this method instead of the trusts. Much of the easier for Squad to handle Brayflox and Vigil without persistent aoes then ever before. Just order the tank forward and afk for free levels.

Was perusing the menu this morning before work. Looks like I don't have level them before being allowed to run a higher level dungeon? Praise the Twelve!

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

The problem with this is that the "trust" system simply doesn't have the AI available to it to be able to deal with multiple mechanics at once.... unlike humans. Which makes the content insatiably boring for the rest of us.

So you can have your solo experience, fine. But don't make the rest of us sacrifice actual difficulty so those of you that don't want a challenge can be carried through content.

In my eyes if you want a solo version of 14 you should be paying extra so the dev team can expand and have their own section dedicated to it. That way we can keep the difficulty and scale it up, I'd rather everyone be made as happy as possible than those that are crying because they can't get through the content, and then punish the rest of us that actually want to play a game with some form of challenge.

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As someone who is good at tanking and healing but has problems DPSing, it's useful for me to get practice inaf my own pace.

Perhaps it may seem slow for you but I like that I can stop, adjust my bars to better suite me and double-check my rotation(s) without waiting 40 minutes just to piss off 3 to 23 other players.

Not every feature needs to be specifically tuned for your own, personal use case.

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Originally Posted by MagicalChase

Honestly if you get anxiety from healing in normal content in this game you probably shouldn't operate motor vehicles. That said I do think it's a good system for DPS players.

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I'd wager 90% of Americans with drivers licenses shouldn't have them.

There's a reason most European countries won't directly exchange most US licenses. The education of new drivers sucks. Cracker jack box licenses.

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Originally Posted by Xavier_Firbold

The problem with this is that the "trust" system simply doesn't have the AI available to it to be able to deal with multiple mechanics at once.... unlike humans. Which makes the content insatiably boring for the rest of us.

So you can have your solo experience, fine. But don't make the rest of us sacrifice actual difficulty so those of you that don't want a challenge can be carried through content.

In my eyes if you want a solo version of 14 you should be paying extra so the dev team can expand and have their own section dedicated to it. That way we can keep the difficulty and scale it up, I'd rather everyone be made as happy as possible than those that are crying because they can't get through the content, and then punish the rest of us that actually want to play a game with some form of challenge.

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So why do you feel the version of game you want is all there should be? Maybe you should pay more because making extreme/high difficult content seems like it would be more costly. Simply put there are a wide verity of players at different skill levels who play and the game devs try to accommodate as much as they can. they put plenty of difficult content out there for players who want it but this game is not designed for any one player in mind.

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Originally Posted by xenahawk

Maybe you should pay more because making extreme/high difficult content seems like it would be more costly.

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I pay my sub. Did they not just spend entire patch on re-vamping older content for solo casual players? Imagine that cost something, no? What even.. I cannot.

In 8 years this is the first time I've seen someone with an empty profile picture on this forum.

Weird.

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So why do you feel the version of game you want is all there should be? Maybe you should pay more because making extreme/high difficult content seems like it would be more costly. Simply put there are a wide verity of players at different skill levels who play and the game devs try to accommodate as much as they can. they put plenty of difficult content out there for players who want it but this game is not designed for any one player in mind.

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You literally quoted me in which I say that there should be both options.... Are you ok?

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Was perusing the menu this morning before work. Looks like I don't have level them before being allowed to run a higher level dungeon? Praise the Twelve!

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That has been added/restored to the Shadowbringers dungeons as well. You can run everything in scenario mode whenever you like now; the levelling avatar trusts are completely optional and "do it for the sake of doing it" now.