[U]nstylish: Lack of Effort in Viera & Hrothgar Hairstyle Releases

Hrothgar clearly took the brunt of this with the "hidden ears" and hairstyle choices. I wanted to compare the way Battle-ready Bobs for female Viera was revealed as well. When I first saw the printout, I wondered where the headband had gone just to realize it was clipped underneath the hair, small portions poking out on either side of each ear. It could've been placed in front of the ears. It would've been fine if they held off on releasing it until it was ready. But instead, it was printed out and presented like this…

https://i.imgur.com/8dMz8OQ.png

What feedback would they receive had they released it that way for Miqo'te?

As for removing the ears entirely and the hairstyles chosen for Hrothgar, I couldn't hold up those printouts with any degree of satisfaction. It's just…wrong—more of a slap in the face than any real improvement. Hrothgar having to Fantasia just to change their hairstyles is already bad enough, but…this?

https://i.imgur.com/IQAM7xI.png

At least Hrothgar get a properly placed headband (even though they had to sacrifice their ears for it). But the bigger problem: of all the hairstyles to release for Hrothgar, this was seen as a fitting choice? For a race often given the excuse, "Xyz is done to keep the race more bestial," this is about as "bestial" as a Loporrit space café or Namazu accounting firm.

https://i.imgur.com/oCLnxer.png

Lastly, I wanted to point out how No.2 Type B Goggles and basically all blindfold pieces clip horribly with this hairstyle on female Viera. Male Viera? No problem. (They're new and shiny.)

In conclusion, Viera and Hrothgar are both playable races. If hairstyles for these races are going to be managed (or mismanaged) like this, both races might as well be given access to everything: every hairstyle and every piece of headgear (where it applies). At least let us experience the options other races are entitled to. Race-specific hairstyles should be a feature built alongside other unlockable hairstyles, not as a replacement for them.

Thank you for reading. Please be safe & well.

Update: No.2 Type B Goggles no longer clip when paired with Battle-ready Bobs on female Viera. Other blindfold pieces (YoRHa Type-53 Headband of Striking for example) still do, but I'm thankful to see even one issue resolved. Thank you, dev team. I hope you'll continue to work toward a better experience for Viera and Hrothgar players. Each and every step in a better direction is appreciated.

Part of me wonders if the devs have seen any of the backlash to the hrothgar hairstyles. They're in for a rude awakening if they haven't yet.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

Part of me wonders if the devs have seen any of the backlash to the hrothgar hairstyles. They're in for a rude awakening if they haven't yet.

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At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they've seen it and chose to ignore it. There's just been this really odd 'disconnected' feeling with Yoshida in particular lately, and it's easy to see in interviews regarding EW's story beats.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

Part of me wonders if the devs have seen any of the backlash to the hrothgar hairstyles. They're in for a rude awakening if they haven't yet.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they've seen it and chose to ignore it. There's just been this really odd 'disconnected' feeling with Yoshida in particular lately, and it's easy to see in interviews regarding EW's story beats.

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Given them being discussed on multiple platforms, complete obliviousness to how they're being received is slim to none. They can choose to ignore it, but it won't be a beneficial decision in the long run. You can only ignore your playerbase for so long before they look to find a dev team that listens. And that's the sad part: Creative Business Unit III was "the dev team that listens", at least more than most these days.

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Originally Posted by whitemoonflower

Given them being discussed on multiple platforms, complete obliviousness to how they're being received is slim to none. They can choose to ignore it, but it won't be a beneficial decision in the long run. You can only ignore your playerbase for so long before they look to find a dev team that listens. And that's the sad part: Creative Business Unit III was "the dev team that listens", at least more than most these days.

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This is whats hurting me the most. I though this dev team were supposed to be the ones whom prioritize on always listening to player feedback. Its what gotten them out of the hellhole that was 1.0
What happened? Did they just get super complacent from success?

I don't know why they choose the Karen hair for both Viera and Hrothgar instead of Wind Caller... I barely see any Viera using that (Mostly just female Viera, none on male)

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

This is whats hurting me the most. I though this dev team were supposed to be the ones whom prioritize on always listening to player feedback. Its what gotten them out of the hellhole that was 1.0
What happened? Did they just get super complacent from success?

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To bring a game this far just to begin distancing from players would be a waste of all the work and time it took to even reach this point. Complacency truly is a miserable snare…one I hope they haven't fallen into.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they've seen it and chose to ignore it. There's just been this really odd 'disconnected' feeling with Yoshida in particular lately, and it's easy to see in interviews regarding EW's story beats.

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Where ff14 works and succeeds is indeed several fathoms larger than the slowly emerging cracks on where it doesn't. Like, obv these issues are minor : the outdated character creation, repeat lazy hairstyles, hrothgar unable to change hair at aesthetician for 2 years now, clunky unpolished character models, rushed & predictable story sections, terrible housing decor system (floating, sinking, clipping) like imagine creating a decorating/placement system that is beyond frustrating, and then being okay with the fact that players have to maneuver and exploit unintentional glitches that break the decor system just so they can have something that isn't just an open room with some posters on a wall.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I don't know why they choose the Karen hair for both Viera and Hrothgar instead of Wind Caller... I barely see any Viera using that (Mostly just female Viera, none on male)

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That's exactly why I see no reason to pick and choose which styles they receive and which styles they're barred from. Give all races access to Wind Caller in the first place and make it a non-issue.

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Originally Posted by juicybug

Where ff14 works and succeeds is indeed several fathoms larger than the slowly emerging cracks on where it doesn't. Like, obv these issues are minor : the outdated character creation, repeat lazy hairstyles, hrothgar unable to change hair at aesthetician for 2 years now, clunky unpolished character models, rushed & predictable story sections, terrible housing decor system (floating, sinking, clipping) like imagine creating a decorating/placement system that is beyond frustrating, and then being okay with the fact that players have to maneuver and exploit unintentional glitches that break the decor system just so they can have something that isn't just an open room with some posters on a wall.

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Many of which are issues that begin as cracks but can later prove to be sinkholes. Better to reinforce what still stands before building too much more on top of it.

The Hrothgar situation was extremely disappointing for me.3+ years of promises for this... an ugly wig super glued on with a free ear amputation. And not even a word on the development of Female Hrothgar.
But I guess there is always 7.0. I can just hope that with their new overhaul they will be able to rework not only all playable models to make them less restricted but the character creation as well. Call me an optimist, but at this point, I need a spark of joy... this has made me so upset and bereft of hope I need something good, even if it's just a small reassurance. I love Hrothgar, they are my favourite race in this game and it pains me to see them treated as an annoyance by the devs. To see that an accessory item that you can only use when in idle animation was more of a priority than us.
My first MMO was 4Story and my first-ever character was a female beast. So when I heard of Female Hrothgar I got ecstatic! But now we don't even have an official concept art...
I just wish they would spare some of the devs to work on the Hrothgar and Viera issues, even with clipping, everything in this game clips, why not let the players choose? If they are ok with clipping then they can use any hairstyles, if not they can stick to the original ones. I don't know at this point... I just want to be able to use the hairstyles and keep my earring collection.

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Originally Posted by whitemoonflower

At least Hrothgar get a properly placed headband (even though they had to sacrifice their ears for it). But the bigger problem: of all the hairstyles to release for Hrothgar, this was seen as a fitting choice? For a race often given the excuse, "Xyz is done to keep the race more bestial," this is about as "bestial" as a Loporrit space café or Namazu accounting firm.

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How much you want to bet they'll look at that comment, see Loporrit Space Café and awkwardly stare at that abandoned place in Ultima Thule? Because it frankly looks like something they can do.

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Originally Posted by whitemoonflower

In conclusion, Viera and Hrothgar are both playable races. If hairstyles for these races are going to be managed (or mismanaged) like this, both races might as well be given access to everything: every hairstyle and every piece of headgear (where it applies). At least let us experience the options other races are entitled to. Race-specific hairstyles should be a feature built alongside other unlockable hairstyles, not as a replacement for them.

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Going by images of modded Hrothgar and Viera, the headgear really only needs a bit of tweaking to work. It would take some time, it would take some effort. But not only is it doable, the very bare minimum works just fine. Which makes me wonder. Square naturally doesn't want to care about mods, but have they actually seen what modders have done? It works. Mild tweaking here and there, naturally, but even some mods clip and they're not as gaudy or cumbersome to look at like what they revealed.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

This is whats hurting me the most. I though this dev team were supposed to be the ones whom prioritize on always listening to player feedback. Its what gotten them out of the hellhole that was 1.0
What happened? Did they just get super complacent from success?

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That's the thing, isn't it? They were a team that listened. But the way they presented those things and the subsequent silence, coupled with all that's happened the past 3 years and the minor flaws that keep piling up throughout the game? The past tense is starting to weigh down harder and harder. I don't know if it's complacency in the face of success, or if they know their community is so used to forgiving them and being understanding that this gets to pass.
Edit: Or it could be what I saw in another thread. Player retention and competition are no longer their focus. They are under no pressure to listen to their players anymore. Or you know, a combination of all 3.

No one will forget that a portion of the dev team allegedly worked behind Yoshida's back to give people head gear. But how long will that good faith last? 3+ years was more than enough time for them to get their priorities straight in the face of so much feedback. And BD3 saving 1.0, ARR and the cool writing from then on only made so much good will to carry them so far. It's dwindling. And it's dwindling fast with decisions like these.

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Originally Posted by Pip_Chick

The Hrothgar situation was extremely disappointing for me.3+ years of promises for this... an ugly wig super glued on with a free ear amputation. And not even a word on the development of Female Hrothgar.
But I guess there is always 7.0. I can just hope that with their new overhaul they will be able to rework not only all playable models to make them less restricted but the character creation as well. Call me an optimist, but at this point, I need a spark of joy... this has made me so upset and bereft of hope I need something good, even if it's just a small reassurance. I love Hrothgar, they are my favourite race in this game and it pains me to see them treated as an annoyance by the devs. To see that an accessory item that you can only use when in idle animation was more of a priority than us.
My first MMO was 4Story and my first-ever character was a female beast. So when I heard of Female Hrothgar I got ecstatic! But now we don't even have an official concept art...
I just wish they would spare some of the devs to work on the Hrothgar and Viera issues, even with clipping, everything in this game clips, why not let the players choose? If they are ok with clipping then they can use any hairstyles, if not they can stick to the original ones. I don't know at this point... I just want to be able to use the hairstyles and keep my earring collection.

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Please don't let it rob you of your joy, hope, or peace. The Hrothgar situation would be in an even worse state were people parading these changes as improvements. But a large portion of the community (including many who don't even care much for Hrothgar or Viera) are speaking up instead of letting silence be mistaken for approval. So thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on the matter. I hope you're able to bring your 4Story character to life in XIV someday.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

How much you want to bet they'll look at that comment, see Loporrit Space Café and awkwardly stare at that abandoned place in Ultima Thule? Because it frankly looks like something they can do.

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At this point, I'd be glad to know they're even looking at the EN forums. If past events are anything to go by, JP feedback seems to be held in much higher regard.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Going by images of modded Hrothgar and Viera, the headgear really only needs a bit of tweaking to work. It would take some time, it would take some effort. But not only is it doable, the very bare minimum works just fine. Which makes me wonder. Square naturally doesn't want to care about mods, but have they actually seen what modders have done? It works. Mild tweaking here and there, naturally, but even some mods clip and they're not as gaudy or cumbersome to look at like what they revealed.

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That effort would not only be worth the time but would speak volumes to the community. As we've seen, it's far from impossible. It boils down to issues of quality and receptiveness. Ultimately, they can learn/grow from the feedback they're receiving re: Hrothgar, Viera, Hissatsu: Kaiten, etc. and sincerely address those issues or continue to ignore/excuse them, devaluing their playerbase in the process.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

That's the thing, isn't it? They were a team that listened. But the way they presented those things and the subsequent silence, coupled with all that's happened the past 3 years and the minor flaws that keep piling up throughout the game? The past tense is starting to weigh down harder and harder. I don't know if it's complacency in the face of success, or if they know their community is so used to forgiving them and being understanding that this gets to pass.
Edit: Or it could be what I saw in another thread. Player retention and competition are no longer their focus. They are under no pressure to listen to their players anymore. Or you know, a combination of all 3.

No one will forget that a portion of the dev team allegedly worked behind Yoshida's back to give people head gear. But how long will that good faith last? 3+ years was more than enough time for them to get their priorities straight in the face of so much feedback. And BD3 saving 1.0, ARR and the cool writing from then on only made so much good will to carry them so far. It's dwindling. And it's dwindling fast with decisions like these.

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I was hoping they wouldn't take their success for granted and let complacency creep in, but actions reveal what words conceal. Time will certainly tell.

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Originally Posted by whitemoonflower

Please don't let it rob you of your joy, hope, or peace. The Hrothgar situation would be in an even worse state were people parading these changes as improvements. But a large portion of the community (including many who don't even care much for Hrothgar or Viera) are speaking up instead of letting silence be mistaken for approval. So thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts on the matter. I hope you're able to bring your 4Story character to life in XIV someday.

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by whitemoonflower

Given them being discussed on multiple platforms, complete obliviousness to how they're being received is slim to none. They can choose to ignore it, but it won't be a beneficial decision in the long run. You can only ignore your playerbase for so long before they look to find a dev team that listens. And that's the sad part: Creative Business Unit III was "the dev team that listens", at least more than most these days.

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They'll eventually address it but likely not do anything about it for another few years. For example, when HW came out folks wanted Hilda's ponytail & Yoshi-P said if players asked for it he would implement it- eventually people gave up knowing they were being ignored and seeing that JP forums have active moderators compared to NA just has added to the frustration

Even if Yoshi-P & his team choose to ignore these requests, people will still pay to play the game & just spend money to fantasia.

For me, it's always been centered around housing first and foremost- With the way the decorating & housing system currently is is a broad gesture (IMO) to the way optional content like housing & character creator/ character races will always be- seen but not improved.

So, following through with anything they've said as far as Viera & Hrothgar I've always taken with a grain of salt. They've not added but 1 or 2 mog station hairs, and that's between Viera & I-- well I don't know if Hroth can wear Snows hair but I doubt it- I know Male Viera can & Female Viera wear Lightnings.
There is a clear disconnect but that's just the way it is.

They should just endorse mods at this point.

im not gonna lie i almost cried from laughing when they showed off hrothgar hair in the upcoming patch

at least viera are getting another hairstyle. (if you looked closely, i believe on the fending set from the upcoming alliance raid it shows a female viera with one of the common female hairstyles)

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Originally Posted by whitemoonflower

I wanted to compare the way Battle-ready Bobs

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This is irrelevant to the topic, so feel free to ignore it, but i just gotta ask: is that hairstyle truly called "Battle-ready Bobs"? 'Cause it's the exact opposite of being ready for any kind activity ("I can't see shit!").

Since SE doesn't care about EN forum maybe its time to complain on JP forums now .. even if would have to use google translate . Its feels like we just wasting our breath ( fingers ) here.

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Originally Posted by Retrisar

Since SE doesn't care about EN forum maybe its time to complain on JP forums now .. even if would have to use google translate . Its feels like we just wasting our breath ( fingers ) here.

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the JP players aren't really happy with us doing that. probably because Google translate doesn't really translate languages very well.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

This is irrelevant to the topic, so feel free to ignore it, but i just gotta ask: is that hairstyle truly called "Battle-ready Bobs"? 'Cause it's the exact opposite of being ready for any kind activity ("I can't see shit!").

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Yeah, it is. :p

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the JP players aren't really happy with us doing that. probably because Google translate doesn't really translate languages very well.
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Don't care at this point . I'm paying Sub as they do , yet my opinion doesn't matter ? So either they gonna start checking other Lang forum as well or they have to deal with me posting there

Prolly wont be seeing any genuine race improvements till well after fem hroth and the graphic boost. SE really sticks to their "priority list" and what we get now are just 1/2 assed crumbs to keep folks sated until the big stuff. Satisfied or not expect to wait a few more years my friends.

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Originally Posted by Retrisar

Don't care at this point . I'm paying Sub as they do , yet my opinion doesn't matter ? So either they gonna start checking other Lang forum as well or they have to deal with me posting there

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Understandably, you're annoyed - but I really do think we should leave their forums alone from now on. Quite a few of us commented on the JPN forums a couple days ago, and a fair few were really uncomfortable with us being there, even mentioned we're breaking the TOS. Not only that, Google translate is not reliable... it can come across rude. Hopefully SE noticed that we went to the extent of going to the JPN forums just to be heard, maybe they'll take that into account and actually get someone to look at our threads now and again. But until then, we've done all we could - I really do think our voice have been heard, and even the JPN forums are discussing it on their own (they have 3 similar topics in regards to Hrothgar so far).

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

the JP players aren't really happy with us doing that. probably because Google translate doesn't really translate languages very well.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Understandably, you're annoyed - but I really do think we should leave their forums alone from now on. Quite a few of us commented on the JPN forums a couple days ago, and a fair few were really uncomfortable with us being there, even mentioned we're breaking the TOS. Not only that, Google translate is not reliable... it can come across rude. Hopefully SE noticed that we went to the extent of going to the JPN forums just to be heard, maybe they'll take that into account and actually get someone to look at our threads now and again. But until then, we've done all we could - I really do think our voice have been heard, and even the JPN forums are discussing it on their own (they have 3 topics on it so far).

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Didn't notice anything in TOS saying that im not allowed on JP forum . IF SE dosent feel uncomfortable by ignoring us , why should i care if they feel uncomfortable ? As i said - i've paid for expansions , for sub and was forced to use Fantasia to change my haircut . Im not F2P player who's should be grateful that he can even play ..

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

They'll eventually address it but likely not do anything about it for another few years. For example, when HW came out folks wanted Hilda's ponytail & Yoshi-P said if players asked for it he would implement it- eventually people gave up knowing they were being ignored and seeing that JP forums have active moderators compared to NA just has added to the frustration

Even if Yoshi-P & his team choose to ignore these requests, people will still pay to play the game & just spend money to fantasia.

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All of which illustrates a pattern that's been worsening over time (if the new Hrothgar hairstyles are anything to go by). And who wouldn't feel frustrated at the relevance of their suggestions/opinions being determined by whether or not they can post on the JP forums?

It's an unhealthy cycle.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

For me, it's always been centered around housing first and foremost- With the way the decorating & housing system currently is is a broad gesture (IMO) to the way optional content like housing & character creator/ character races will always be- seen but not improved.

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I hope that perception changes, but you summed it up.

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Originally Posted by HeyMcFly

So, following through with anything they've said as far as Viera & Hrothgar I've always taken with a grain of salt. They've not added but 1 or 2 mog station hairs, and that's between Viera & I-- well I don't know if Hroth can wear Snows hair but I doubt it- I know Male Viera can & Female Viera wear Lightnings.
There is a clear disconnect but that's just the way it is.

They should just endorse mods at this point.

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A clear and growing disconnect. Like it or not, mods demonstrate the possibility of presenting higher-quality versions of these hairstyles and gear pieces.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

im not gonna lie i almost cried from laughing when they showed off hrothgar hair in the upcoming patch

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It's…pretty terrible.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

at least viera are getting another hairstyle. (if you looked closely, i believe on the fending set from the upcoming alliance raid it shows a female viera with one of the common female hairstyles)

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Another Viera hairstyle is nice and all, but they need to address these long-standing issues instead of just tossing a new hairstyle on top of them.

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

This is irrelevant to the topic, so feel free to ignore it, but i just gotta ask: is that hairstyle truly called "Battle-ready Bobs"? 'Cause it's the exact opposite of being ready for any kind activity ("I can't see shit!").

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It is. For further clarification, it's 2B's hair from NieR: Automata.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Understandably, you're annoyed - but I really do think we should leave their forums alone from now on. Quite a few of us commented on the JPN forums a couple days ago, and a fair few were really uncomfortable with us being there, even mentioned we're breaking the TOS. Not only that, Google translate is not reliable... it can come across rude. Hopefully SE noticed that we went to the extent of going to the JPN forums just to be heard, maybe they'll take that into account and actually get someone to look at our threads now and again. But until then, we've done all we could - I really do think our voice have been heard, and even the JPN forums are discussing it on their own (they have 3 similar topics in regards to Hrothgar so far).

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Originally Posted by Retrisar

Didn't notice anything in TOS saying that im not allowed on JP forum . IF SE dosent feel uncomfortable by ignoring us , why should i care if they feel uncomfortable ? As i said - i've paid for expansions , for sub and was forced to use Fantasia to change my haircut . Im not F2P player who's should be grateful that he can even play ..

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If you're considering going that route, DeepL will help you more than Google Translate. But have discretion since the issues SherlottaEryut mentioned were said to occur partially due to Google Translate translating some things more offensively than intended.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

the JP players aren't really happy with us doing that. probably because Google translate doesn't really translate languages very well.

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So.. get the japanese players so fed up with it that they complain to the devs. "Please listen more to the feedback in english forums so those google translate folks don't come over to our forums and spam them with their silly japanese"

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Originally Posted by Chyro

So.. get the japanese players so fed up with it that they complain to the devs. "Please listen more to the feedback in english forums so those google translate folks don't come over to our forums and spam them with their silly japanese"

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You know, looking at their forum the moderators were only responding on their posts from 2013-2017... Which is still floating around on their first 2 pages. Beyond 2017, they haven't had any responses from mods as far as I can see.

Edit: Pages 7-8, 2019 and 2021 do have responses, but they do occasionally go a few years without communication.

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Originally Posted by Jason_Ashford

the JP players aren't really happy with us doing that. probably because Google translate doesn't really translate languages very well.

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It doesn't, especially in context-heavy languages like Japanese. Japanese is incredibly idiomatic, and the mere sentence structure you use, or the use of a certain word to express an idea as simple as "me and you" can come off as inappropriate in the wrong context.

But if nothing else works, might as well go there and hope they see it, right? ...except Square will know it's us and ignore it either way. If anything just from seeing our profiles before reading awkward grammar.

Alternatively, JP players aren't happy with us going to their forum because it could give off the wrong impression or drown their voices out.

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Originally Posted by Chyro

So.. get the japanese players so fed up with it that they complain to the devs. "Please listen more to the feedback in english forums so those google translate folks don't come over to our forums and spam them with their silly japanese"

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

It doesn't, especially in context-heavy languages like Japanese. Japanese is incredibly idiomatic, and the mere sentence structure you use, or the use of a certain word to express an idea as simple as "me and you" can come off as inappropriate in the wrong context.

But if nothing else works, might as well go there and hope they see it, right? ...except Square will know it's us and ignore it either way. If anything just from seeing our profiles before reading awkward grammar.

Alternatively, JP players aren't happy with us going to their forum because it could give off the wrong impression or drown their voices out.

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If the "hidden ears" aren't some kind of painful April Fools' joke, I don't want to imagine what female Hrothgar will be like or the backlash they'll receive… If they continue disregarding the EN community, more and more will come to view the JP forums as the only forums to be heard. Both communities have valid feedback to share, interesting ideas to propose, etc. There's no reason why both can't be recognized and valued.

I wonder what the viera ones in 6.1 will be. I hope it's more than just the one shown in the preview.

What feels even worse than the god awful choices in hair that they chose for hrothgar, was also the fact that they were actively laughing at it (Someone literally had to sit there and look at that and be like "yea, this is good"). Like, they knew it was bad, the print outs were god awful, but it was still given the green light to be shown off. The laughing is what honestly did it for me. I first thought it was an April Fool's joke (a part of me still thinks it is), but after seeing the prelim patch notes today, it actually made that laughing have a bit more sting to it...Actively poking fun at something that has been requested and *PROMISED* for 3 years to come. The more I think about it, the more it feels like Malicious compliance...

Now, I want to give Yoshi & Co. the benefit of the doubt because I dont think Yoshi is the type of person who would look the hrothgar playerbase in the face and honestly tell them "This is what you asked for...". He just doesn't seem like that kind of leader, but knowing that this caused a huge wave of backlash, but choosing to remain radio silent and not even at the very least making a post explaining the situation and the thought process that went into this is honestly whats making people even more mad ontop of the bad hairstyle choices...

What makes matters worse is there is a thread on twitter breaking down the hair situation for hrothgars and to basically sum up what was said is that they had to make head models for the hairs to work or something since the hrothgar ears are originally baked onto their head models like the other races (minus Miqo and Viera). So, someone had to sit there and actually "fix" those hrothgar heads and put in the effort to remove the ears rather than taking that effort and actually fixing what was obviously rushed.

Theres no way anyone believes that this train wreck was "three years in the making". It feels more like one of those projects that you know has to be turned in, but you procrastinate so long on it, that when you turn it in, its obvious that this was completed in the last possible second and for some reason you're still surprised at the negative feedback it receives

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

I wonder what the viera ones in 6.1 will be. I hope it's more than just the one shown in the preview.

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and its hard to tell if the forehead is super big or not like they did with the ponytail they added.

Hey you guys wanted these races. This is just the monkey paw closing one of its fingers.

The Hrotgar are hilarious and sad at the same time : hilarious because they look goofy and sad because it worry me to see the dev being satisfied with such half assed and low quality work :/

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

It doesn't, especially in context-heavy languages like Japanese. Japanese is incredibly idiomatic, and the mere sentence structure you use, or the use of a certain word to express an idea as simple as "me and you" can come off as inappropriate in the wrong context.

But if nothing else works, might as well go there and hope they see it, right? ...except Square will know it's us and ignore it either way. If anything just from seeing our profiles before reading awkward grammar.

Alternatively, JP players aren't happy with us going to their forum because it could give off the wrong impression or drown their voices out.

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But aren’t the japanese players coming over to our forums and making posts? I don’t see why that’s acceptable and the vice versa isn’t?

The worst part for me and I think most of the players who don't even play Hrothgar is that we expect better. The issue itself is relatively minor, but the fact they thought this was okay isn't great. I know it's not the quality of work I expect from SE.

IMO, they have done a lot things lately that are burning the goodwill they've built up over the years (they have a ton of it) but that doesn't last forever.