Historically Accurate Samurai as a Job Class.

Would you guys want it, in addition to the romanticized version we have already, just with the former having a different name? If so, how would you design it and what name would you give it? And if no, why not?

For myself, I'd love to have a tank or light armor DPS traditional Samurai that fights kind like how Furon in Final Fantasy Dissidia did with multiple weapons he'd use one at a time or couple of them simultaneously, though with our TS (Traditional Samurai) wielding the naginata as their main weapon and the other weapons they possess imbued with the power of centuries of prayer, Susano, but on a much smaller scale. :D

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Originally Posted by hagare

wouldn't a more historically accurate samurai be more of an archer as well?

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Do'e! I forgot about that, lol! Well... how about a close to historically accurate, but not entirely accurate historically accurate Samurai? xD

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wouldn't a more historically accurate samurai be more of an archer as well?

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Originally Posted by hagare

wouldn't a more historically accurate samurai be more of an archer as well?

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Do'e! I forgot about that, lol! Well... how about a close to historically accurate, but not entirely accurate historically accurate Samurai? xD

They’d need to add peasants to the countryside for them to assault and rob

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Originally Posted by DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise

They’d need to add peasants to the countryside for them to assault and rob

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We already have the Knight job for that :p

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Do'e! I forgot about that, lol! Well... how about a close to historically accurate, but not entirely accurate historically accurate Samurai? xD

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Hey, that's what SAM is for xD
I'd agree with this only if they add mounted horse fighting

and samurai armor from Ghost of Tsushima :p

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

We already have the Knight job for that :p

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then we need a viking job for the trinity
hmmm...... wonder what weapon they'll use if they add viking.... one handed axe?

It's more a case of having strong job identity and timing.

Like, would the "TS" variant be more desirable than other established Final Fantasy jobs that haven't made an appearance yet (like Viking or Mystic Knight)

As is, we already have an Archer-type job, and a polearm-type job. So should another job use them, it would need to be fairly different and more compelling than just using an entirely different weapon (As in, why make a second bow job when you can just use Crossbows; similarly with polearms vs a bo staff). This is not to say it can't be done, but that it would need to be compelling or have a strong identity. This can be seen with the various "Sword" jobs, and that while there are many of them, each uses a fairly distinct type of "sword", fighting style and general historical culture (Broadswords, Two-handed, Katana, Rapier, Daggers).

Secondly is the timing. Jobs are not necessarily tied directly to expansions, but we DID have our "East Asian" expansion so it is less likely to see another "East Asian" themed job.

All that said, sure- anything is possible... just I feel it's unlikely.

I could reasonably see them having another Othard-focused expansion that covers Nagxia, Hingashi, and other untouched territory for...some reason as there's certainly enough landmass to work with.

I feel like that would probably be much further down the line once more obvious avenues like Ilsabard and Meracydia are used, though.

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Originally Posted by hagare

Hey, that's what SAM is for xD
I'd agree with this only if they add mounted horse fighting

and samurai armor from Ghost of Tsushima :p



then we need a viking job for the trinity
hmmm...... wonder what weapon they'll use if they add viking.... one handed axe?

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Lmao, godamit, why!!! xD

It's really sad the only traditional Samurai armor we get are unlocked through the Omega trials/raids. Even worse, I can't wear the dam helmets with this character, otherwise I'd larp around with the tank armor set on my DRK!

You know, I've always wanted to see us actually be able to attack enemies while mounted. Lol, imagine how silly the knights of Radz-a-Han would look on their Hamsas. x'D

For Viking, a one handed axe and shield like the Beast masters in Bozja use. :o

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Originally Posted by kaynide

It's more a case of having strong job identity and timing.

Like, would the "TS" variant be more desirable than other established Final Fantasy jobs that haven't made an appearance yet (like Viking or Mystic Knight)

As is, we already have an Archer-type job, and a polearm-type job. So should another job use them, it would need to be fairly different and more compelling than just using an entirely different weapon (As in, why make a second bow job when you can just use Crossbows; similarly with polearms vs a bo staff). This is not to say it can't be done, but that it would need to be compelling or have a strong identity. This can be seen with the various "Sword" jobs, and that while there are many of them, each uses a fairly distinct type of "sword", fighting style and general historical culture (Broadswords, Two-handed, Katana, Rapier, Daggers).

Secondly is the timing. Jobs are not necessarily tied directly to expansions, but we DID have our "East Asian" expansion so it is less likely to see another "East Asian" themed job.

All that said, sure- anything is possible... just I feel it's unlikely.

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That be true, haha... :'3 So if something like this were ever to be thought to be added to the game, it would probably definitely be way down the line. Especially since we haven't gotten a fourth caster class or another job class that shares gear with Ninja yet. I would definitely want to see a new caster and scout gear wearing class before a new class like TS ever pops up.

That's true, too! Dragoon uses at least one weapon that's a scythe, but still uses it like a pole arm. So, in terms of flexibility, I'm absolutely positive the FFXIV dev team could come up with a unique way a TS could use a similar pole arm weapon like a Naginata compared to that of the Dragoon's spear and a Reaper's scythe and their respective fighting styles.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I could reasonably see them having another Othard-focused expansion that covers Nagxia, Hingashi, and other untouched territory for...some reason as there's certainly enough landmass to work with.

I feel like that would probably be much further down the line once more obvious avenues like Ilsabard and Meracydia are used, though.

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I hope that happens! :D

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Lmao, godamit, why!!! xD

It's really sad the only traditional Samurai armor we get are unlocked through the Omega trials/raids. Even worse, I can't wear the dam helmets with this character, otherwise I'd larp around with the tank armor set on my DRK!

You know, I've always wanted to see us actually be able to attack enemies while mounted. Lol, imagine how silly the knights of Radz-a-Han would look on their Hamsas. x'D

For Viking, a one handed axe and shield like the Beast masters in Bozja use. :o

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yeah, most SAM armor are more like ronin armor.
Which I guess IS appropriate considering we don't serve anyone.
OOOH Beastmaster! But I always want whip for beastmaster

Getting near to a traditional Samurai would essentially require us to be capable of equipping multiple weapons... in a game in which we're incapable of having more than a single (pair of) weapon(s) at any given time and changing from a longsword (DRK) to a longsword (GLD) could cost you 98% of your stats.

I would add, there is nothing stopping you from role playing as a sort of Samurai. There are weapons and gear that could easily make your dragoon and bard appear as a samurai, even using the same parts (like scorpion harness).

There is even a naginata polearm you can get.

Nah.
I always figured that the samurai we got is more like Musashi than Tadakatsu.
Like more ronin kind of vibes instead of sengoku warlord kind of vibes.
And I'm ok with that.

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Originally Posted by DanielNegreanu_Adamantoise

They’d need to add peasants to the countryside for them to assault and rob

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As well as other Samurai minions to attack the target from behind when they're already weak and defenseless.

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Originally Posted by Soge01

Historically Accurate Samurai as a Job Class.

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Guys, FF14 is not a documentary.

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Originally Posted by hagare

yeah, most SAM armor are more like ronin armor.
Which I guess IS appropriate considering we don't serve anyone.
OOOH Beastmaster! But I always want whip for beastmaster

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Lol, true! xD But what if we served ourselves, thus giving us the right to wear armor? :3

I would prefer they wield a whip, too. But I'm always open to whatever crazy combinations the FFXIV team can come up with when it comes to weapons and classes. Maybe we'll get a Beastmaster class that uses a crossbow instead. You never know! xD

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Getting near to a traditional Samurai would essentially require us to be capable of equipping multiple weapons... in a game in which we're incapable of having more than a single (pair of) weapon(s) at any given time and changing from a longsword (DRK) to a longsword (GLD) could cost you 98% of your stats.

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Which is why I came up with my own version of a traditional Samurai that used a fighting style similar to Firion's from FF Dissidia where you occasionally call forth the extra weapons you wield, manipulating them like how a Kami possessed set of weapons like the primal Susano functioned for various different attacks. They would just be limited to only appearing as skills/abilities you would use in battle on occasion while the Naginata would be your primary weapon and a crossbow being your basic ranged weapon for basic ranged attacks and maybe a poison DoT.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I would add, there is nothing stopping you from role playing as a sort of Samurai. There are weapons and gear that could easily make your dragoon and bard appear as a samurai, even using the same parts (like scorpion harness).

There is even a naginata polearm you can get.

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You just reminded me of a glamour I made for my Bard a few months ago, I used the HW Far Eastern chest piece gear you can get from the old couple in exchange for hunt tokens at the Forgotten Knight, the headband guard from the latest Far Eastern Mogstation glamour along with its black sandle-sock foot gear (if my memory is correct on the latter, along with the Hakama leg gear from the open kimono(?) chest bandaged mogstation glamour. Oh, and the HW Far Eastern Bard bow weapon, too! I thought it was a really cool glamour that reminded me of Far Eastern archers. Gonna have to use that glamour again, thanks! :D

As for the Dragoon gear...Sadly, Viera can't wear the Stormsblood head gear that has those traditional armor sets, otherwise I'd be larping around with them on my Dark Knight and Reaper jobs right now... :'(

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

Guys, FF14 is not a documentary.

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Are you sure about that? Have you not seen the documentary on how Lalafell are born? :o

Just rename current Samurai to Ronin, cause that's what they actually are (or Ashigaru, as they were the peasant class coscripts of Samurai) , Make the new Samurai Tank off FFT with auras to boost stats for them selves & others. Give them paired Katana & wakizashi, two Katana, or better yet Odachi.

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Originally Posted by hagare

wouldn't a more historically accurate samurai be more of an archer as well?

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It depends on what point in history we're talking about. Early samurai were mounted archers, only transitioning to infantry in later periods, circa 1300 and definitely into the Sengoku Period and later Tokugawa Shogunate.

Personally I think this one is more accurate than a tank Samurai. Katanas are not super durable so you'd never want to tank with them, and their armor wasn't as defensive as a western knight (but were known for great bow and spear skills, neither of which the Samurai uses in this game hahaha... but in FFXI they actually had a good weapon rating with those which was a neat nod to history). Not that, I feel, most think about the armored Samurai but more often the Ronin like visual instead.

Anyway even as a DD it's all fantasy lol, so it's not a great evil to want a tank or a DD or whatever- I just feel that if we had to find the nearest expression that DD is probably more accurate than tank (my imo). Given the common visual, armor, and fact the weapon (katana) has a history of being relatively brittle (but exceptionally sharp).

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I'm gonna be real with you, chief. They'll never add this as you see it in your mind. Your best option is to just work with what's in the job system and role play.

If they added anything like Firion in dissidia, they'd probably call it weaponmaster (That's what he was, right?). And even then he used more than just traditional weaponry.

A historic-accurate Samurai job will utilize spears and bows as the main weapons, with Katanas being the last resort.
From what I know, Samurais would use any weapon that gives them an advantage in battle, and if they unsheathed the Katana then that means they're ready to fight until death.

Tbh Samurai may as well use guns if this is the goal.
As opposed to what a lot of people believe, Samurai had no issues using firearms.