Can we have a cross-region DC travel sooner if it is a charged service?

Hi, some background of myself, I recently moved from Asia to Europe. I have friends playing this game both on EU server and JP server. So I need to run two characters to play with both sides. But be honest, it becomes a burden rather than fun now, as I can't invest double of the time on growing 2 characters.

That's why when there was an announcement on cross-DC traveling I was so exciting, while I can't express how sad I am when cross-region travel is banned.:(

If the reason is afraid of a culture shock when players in one region overwhelming into another region. Can SE consider charging users a small amount of real money (not gil) in order to reduce the overuse of the system at the very beginning?

That’s different from the current DC migration service, I don’t want to abandon my house and FC of my main.

Hard no; that would just create 2 tiers of people, the richest of whom can play the marketboards cross-region.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Hard no; that would just create 2 tiers of people, the richest of whom can play the marketboards cross-region.

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How about banning the MB and trade functionality as well. I don't think playing without MB is big issue. Otherwise, the culture conflict can be a reason to ban the cross-region travel forever. I can't see any possibility it will be solved.

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Originally Posted by MatrixTXT

How about banning the MB and trade functionality as well. I don't think playing without MB is big issue. Otherwise, the culture conflict can be a reason to ban the cross-region travel forever. I can't see any possibility it will be solved.

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I agree with this but not with trading. Shouldn't ban people from being able to trade things with friends on other servers. Market board access should be absolutely banned though and would probably solve the majority of worries that the devs have about cross-DC.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

I agree with this but not with trading. Shouldn't ban people from being able to trade things with friends on other servers.

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Yeah, Nah.

Gil farmer makes cheap gear on XYZ server, travels to ABC server on another data centre and trades cheap gear to his level 15 alt who swamps that server with it for 1 gil less. Same thing other direction.

Still a hard no on paid DC travel, it makes 2 classes of people.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Yeah, Nah.

Gil farmer makes cheap gear on XYZ server, travels to ABC server on another data centre and trades cheap gear to his level 15 alt who swamps that server with it for 1 gil less. Same thing other direction.

Still a hard no on paid DC travel, it makes 2 classes of people.

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We ALREADY have paid DC travel be honest, 20USD you can move everything from one DC to another. What I am asking is more less the same without also moving your house and FC.

So the problem is what's an adequate amount and meanwhile I do think it is an experimental way for people in different region get at least certain level of interaction, while no bringing the culture conflict.

I'd rather them not tack on more services for a service you already pay for, that being said I think cross region DC travel would only be possible with strict regulations, with how RMT and botting is already a problem, cross region would make it worse.

"paid DC travel" just to RMT/bot isn't a usual occurrence I'd imagine..

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Originally Posted by Padudu

I'd rather them not tack on more services for a service you already pay for, that being said I think cross region DC travel would only be possible with strict regulations, with how RMT and botting is already a problem, cross region would make it worse.

"paid DC travel" just to RMT/bot isn't a usual occurrence I'd imagine..

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I understand your concern. But it is actually just more less similar to our current "DC immigration service", if a bot or rmt want to do sth with cross region traveling, they can already do it with 20USD.

Meanwhile I just suggest a less aggressive "immigration", which won't affect your house and FC. Like a balance between complete migration and DC travel

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Originally Posted by Shibi

Gil farmer makes cheap gear on XYZ server, travels to ABC server on another data centre and trades cheap gear to his level 15 alt who swamps that server with it for 1 gil less. Same thing other direction.

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I'm having trouble seeing how this works. You can't actually trade with your alt unless it's on a different account. Is gil so hard to come by that someone would go to the trouble of getting a second account to game the system? I don't even make a concerted effort to farm it, and I seem to have more gil than I'll ever conceivably spend.

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Originally Posted by Ronduwil

Is gil so hard to come by that someone would go to the trouble of getting a second account to game the system?

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Yes, it happens all the time; RMT people have tons of accounts and alts. I don't know for certain if it's RMT related or not, but a small group of people with a huge number of alts and a million retainers have de facto control of the market on Atomos. The prices they charge are low enough to ensure regular players don't make much of a profit on crafted goods while the cartel rakes in the money. It's hit the point where it's more profitable to sell [them] raw materials than it is to sell finished goods.

Intra-DC travel with the ability to purchase from all market boards on a DC causes enough issues. We don't need the ability to interact with another DC's economy.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

Intra-DC travel with the ability to purchase from all market boards on a DC causes enough issues. We don't need the ability to interact with another DC's economy.

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I see it otherwise. More DCs = more competition and propably lower prices for the raw materials. Market work better when there is competition.


Cheers

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

Yes, it happens all the time; RMT people have tons of accounts and alts. I don't know for certain if it's RMT related or not, but a small group of people with a huge number of alts and a million retainers have de facto control of the market on Atomos. The prices they charge are low enough to ensure regular players don't make much of a profit on crafted goods while the cartel rakes in the money. It's hit the point where it's more profitable to sell [them] raw materials than it is to sell finished goods.

Intra-DC travel with the ability to purchase from all market boards on a DC causes enough issues. We don't need the ability to interact with another DC's economy.

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Don't agree, larger market doesn't equal to larger rmt group. While producer and consumer both growth there won't be big difference as before. Moreover it actually protect the consumer (majority) from oligarch jacking up the price. Intra DC travel already stabilize the price a lot, and cross DC will just do more.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

Intra-DC travel with the ability to purchase from all market boards on a DC causes enough issues. We don't need the ability to interact with another DC's economy.

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Most people are too lazy to visit another world or are even unaware that they can visit another world, nevermind DC travel. Even if it affects the economies a bit, the benefits of region travel outweigh these concerns.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Most people are too lazy to visit another world or are even unaware that they can visit another world, nevermind DC travel. Even if it affects the economies a bit, the benefits of region travel outweigh these concerns.

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Indeed I think it help stabilize the market, dilute the influence of single bot who are affecting the market price.

While culture shock might be a small part of it, the actual realistic reason why DC travel is limited to regions only is likely because of how their hardware setup currently functions.

Currently, all DCs of a region are hosted in the same building. Aether, Crystal, Primal are all hosted in the same building in Sacramento, Chaos & Light are hosted in the same building in Germany(?), the JP datacenters are all hosted in the same building in Tokyo, etc.

Because they're connected, copying and passing data between them is relatively easy, since it's just read/write copy passes between connected hardware.
Trying to copy data from one region's DC to another however, would require a more sophisticated setup involving cloud services and possible contract negotiations between the multiple different datacenter companies they use to host their hardware in each region in order to get everything inter-connected remotely. Something that might be too financially expensive or legally cumbersome for them at this time compared to the much easier setup of just creating region locked travel due to the regions already being connected within each other.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

While culture shock might be a small part of it, the actual realistic reason why DC travel is limited to regions only is likely because of how their hardware setup currently functions.

Currently, all DCs of a region are hosted in the same building. Aether, Crystal, Primal are all hosted in the same building in Sacramento, Chaos & Light are hosted in the same building in Germany(?), the JP datacenters are all hosted in the same building in Tokyo, etc.

Because they're connected, copying and passing data between them is relatively easy, since it's just read/write copy passes between connected hardware.
Trying to copy data from one region's DC to another however, would require a more sophisticated setup involving cloud services and possible contract negotiations between the multiple different datacenter companies they use to host their hardware in each region in order to get everything inter-connected remotely. Something that might be too financially expensive or legally cumbersome for them at this time compared to the much easier setup of just creating region locked travel due to the regions already being connected within each other.

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Well they believe they can do it. The official word from Yoshi is "do the players want it" That's why these threads are popping up on the forums.