"Request Mend" Option and other QoL for DoH.

There should be an option to Request Mending from other players like you have to Request Meld, it would be interesting seeing a lot of players usually level all crafters. and you may say we have NPC that you can repair in every city, which is a valid point but when you self repair you up the durability to 200%, which is very nice. :cool:

Would be nice but it would reduce the flow of gils going "out" of the game, while they are trying to increase this same flow (no more reduction on taxes when buying on the market board according to the city, enhanced tp prices at each expansions and so on...).

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Originally Posted by Kyohei

Would be nice but it would reduce the flow of gils going "out" of the game, while they are trying to increase this same flow (no more reduction on taxes when buying on the market board according to the city, enhanced tp prices at each expansions and so on...).

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Not exactly, the Fee is only optional, you can totally just set to 0 and people can accept if they want. the problem is more whether you are using yours or the crafters' Dark Matter but even if this is implemented I doubt people would just stop using the mender npcs all together.

Yeah I wasn't mentioning the players to players fees, these are gils that will still circulate in the game. It was rather the fact that more people would ask one another for repairs leading to lessened popularity of npcs.
Repairing gears yourself gives the advantage of increased durability. If players are allowed to repairs someone else's gear there is no doubt they'd rather use this than the npcs, hence leading to a decrease in gils going out of the game. They wouldn't completely stop using npcs, but providing a third way would still have an impact.

I feel things like teleport fees and market board fees are fine, because they don't affect how those features function.

Withholding QoL in order to force a gil sink is poor game design though. Fees and sinks are fine, but shouldn't result in game features having reduced functionality or be removed.

"Request mend" should absolutely be a thing.

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Originally Posted by Kyohei

Would be nice but it would reduce the flow of gils going "out" of the game, while they are trying to increase this same flow (no more reduction on taxes when buying on the market board according to the city, enhanced tp prices at each expansions and so on...).

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Seeing how repairing your own gear also takes gil out of the game since it needs dark matter (granted, can be bought with other currencies, too) I dont see how a "Request Mend" option couldnt also take gil out of the game by requiring one of the two people to use up the needed dark matter?

It's still cheaper to buy dark matter than repairing to an npc.
Again, I'm not against the idea, on the contrary I'd also like such a feature because it would be very handy. Only stating why they might be reticent to implement that, as they are trying through every little ways to remove gils, even the smallest of ways. Which isn't something I condon either.

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Originally Posted by Kyohei

It's still cheaper to buy dark matter than repairing to an npc.
Again, I'm not against the idea, on the contrary I'd also like such a feature because it would be very handy. Only stating why they might be reticent to implement that, as they are trying through every little ways to remove gils, even the smallest of ways. Which isn't something I condon either.

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but if that is the case then we wouldn't even have "request meld" system, forcing everyone to level their crafters is way better into sinking gil then have that option.

Menders npcs have always been here, but materia melders were only added during HW, before that you had to unlock melding yourself or request them that's why the function is there.
On another note, they are only in cities whereas menders are everywhere. That's because you need to repair often so big gil sink, meanwhile melding is only once on a gear set and the npcs can't overmeld.

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Originally Posted by Kyohei

Menders npcs have always been here, but materia melders were only added during HW, before that you had to unlock melding yourself or request them that's why the function is there.

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What about it, it's not like they aren't repurposing content in the game from ARR or had errors since beta around being fixed the only thing I can get from your take is that you want that especific system out so only crafters can pentameld their own gear.

I don't know what you're on about, I never said anything like this. I was just answering why there is a request meld system to begin with.
Never once I gave out any wish if not the same as yours, just explaining why they might not do it.
No idea where you got the idea that I only want crafters to pentameld, that is a really weird take on what I said.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I feel things like teleport fees and market board fees are fine, because they don't affect how those features function.

Withholding QoL in order to force a gil sink is poor game design though. Fees and sinks are fine, but shouldn't result in game features having reduced functionality or be removed.

"Request mend" should absolutely be a thing.

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it used to be a thing. dunno why they ever got rid of it.

The game already has too much Gil for everyone. Even adding gold mounts for very high prices didn't really do much.

Requesting mends should 100% be a thing. There's so many times in raiding or even in pf that someone's gear breaks and aren't DoH players so they're just sitting there gimping the whole content. Allowing others to fix their gear would be great and allow DoH players to feel good for being able to come in clutch.

As for actual Gil sinks, people have said that housing taxes should be a thing to free out boarded houses (if you don't log in to play at all/barely, you lose your house). You can even set a mini bank account of sorts for the game to withdraw the money from–kinda like school lunches.

Lost Ark does this thing where you can donation money to the guild in exchange for providing resources for the guild and rewarding you with currency for QoL stuff. They can do this and reward clusters for materia be it DoH/L or combat. Or even teleport tickets.

Unless you can somehow circumvent the fact that you can't trade the repair materials necessary directly to the person who is mending your gear while in an instance, I don't see how this would work. At least in the case of materia, you're not in a battle instance.

I certainly wouldn't spend gil on the required materials 'just in case' someone asked me to mend their gear, and I'd ask for the costs up-front in any case. Grade 7 dark matter has a cost of 200 gil each, Grade 8 dark matter is 280 gil each. Full repair runs over 2000 gil. Since you can't trade gil to me while in a battle instance, and you may be from another world entirely, that's a cost I'd have to eat. Nice for the person who wants a quick repair job, not so much for the actual mender.

mad lad they actually did it
https://i.imgur.com/h88z5AV.png

I wonder how this will work with dark matter o.o

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Originally Posted by Shuuli

I wonder how this will work with dark matter o.o

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if they use the same system as melding then the person being repaired assumes the cost of the dark matter

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Originally Posted by AmpelioB

if they use the same system as melding then the person being repaired assumes the cost of the dark matter

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If you meant "Carbonized Matter" from ARR, that has been removed years ago, and is no longer required for melding materia.

I think it makes more sense for "the person who performs the repair" (i.e. the crafter) rather than "the person being repaired" to assume the cost of Dark Matters. After all, it doesn't make much sense to ask all the raiders to carry Dark Matters with them in raids.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

If you meant "Carbonized Matter" from ARR, that has been removed years ago, and is no longer required for melding materia.

I think it makes more sense for "the person who performs the repair" (i.e. the crafter) rather than "the person being repaired" to assume the cost of Dark Matters. After all, it doesn't make much sense to ask all the raiders to carry Dark Matters with them in raids.

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Why should I pay for someone else's carelessness like that? Please explain.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Why should I pay for someone else's carelessness like that? Please explain.

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If this is a pre-formed party, this would be called "helping a friend". And when I do as little as repairing friends' gear, I won't charge a dime.

If this is not a pre-formed party, but just a PUG from the DF, this would be called "helping a stranger for the sake of the whole party's victory".

I don't mind paying for 1 or 2 people in a PUG. I don't have to worry about paying for too many people, because they wouldn't know that I'm a crafter during a raid. So unless someone is calling for help, I wouldn't call out and offer to repair anyone anyway. And if too many try to abuse my help, I can always decline as well.

If I can help shorten the run by repairing 1 or 2 strangers, I'd do it. It's much better than letting the rest of the party carrying someone who needed repair and dragging the whole party's progress and precious time.

This will be a feature in an upcoming patch according to the recent live letter.

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

If this is a pre-formed party, this would be called "helping a friend". And when I do as little as repairing friends' gear, I won't charge a dime.

If this is not a pre-formed party, but just a PUG from the DF, this would be called "helping a stranger for the sake of the whole party's victory".

I don't mind paying for 1 or 2 people in a PUG. I don't have to worry about paying for too many people, because they wouldn't know that I'm a crafter during a raid. So unless someone is calling for help, I wouldn't call out and offer to repair anyone anyway. And if too many try to abuse my help, I can always decline as well.

If I can help shorten the run by repairing 1 or 2 strangers, I'd do it. It's much better than letting the rest of the party carrying someone who needed repair and dragging the whole party's progress and precious time.

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Also, think this way... if someone is suddenly in need of a repair during a raid, do you honestly expect the person to be carrying Dark Matter around? If he/she is not even a crafter, chances are that he/she won't be carrying Dark Matters in the first place. If a system is implemented that way, you can imagine this scenario:

"Oh, sorry, my gear needs repair. Anyone here who can repair my gear?"
"I can. I'm a crafter! Do you have some Dark Matter?"
"What are those?"
"Well, you need to carrying those so that you can request my repair."
"Doh, I wouldn't ask what they were if I had been carrying them!"
"Hmm, ok... I have some with me here, but I can't trade with you in the duty"
"Well, fxxk me."
... See what I mean? What's the point of the system if it's so inconvenient?

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Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino

Also, think this way... if someone is suddenly in need of a repair during a raid, do you honestly expect the person to be carrying Dark Matter around? If he/she is not even a crafter, chances are that he/she won't be carrying Dark Matters in the first place. If a system is implemented that way, you can imagine this scenario:

"Oh, sorry, my gear needs repair. Anyone here who can repair my gear?"
"I can. I'm a crafter! Do you have some Dark Matter?"
"What are those?"
"Well, you need to carrying those so that you can request my repair."
"Doh, I wouldn't ask what they were if I had been carrying them!"
"Hmm, ok... I have some with me here, but I can't trade with you in the duty"
"Well, fxxk me."
... See what I mean? What's the point of the system if it's so inconvenient?

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Once the patch goes live, I'm sure there will be an explanation of how it works. There might even be a help item added in. I'm certain it will actually require people to have matter on them, but we'll see. One slot isn't gonna hurt anybody. It's crafters that tend to have the inventory problems.

The cost doesn't even bother me. It's just the thought of supporting people who might either be ungrateful or not worth the effort.