Islands and ocean exploration for next expansion!

It would fit perfectly with a New World themed expansion. If we can get our very own ship to build up and explore various islands in the wide ocean, and see other players sailing too, that would be so awesome. We can add collectibles and little sidequests on each island. I think FF14 should incorporate endgame-related content in the MSQ going forward to make it not so linear. Have it so that the player needs to build a small ship to sail to the New World, and let them explore a bit in the open seas before they get to the New World! Then they can make ocean exploration an endgame experience with stuff like collectibles, open world PvP (on special islands), ship combat (like AC:Black Flag style).

no thank you.

for a properly done seafaring game, it needs to be done that way from the ground up. you cannot easily shoehorn that in to an existing game. not to mention, if the player is in a small ship, why would they be engaging in ship to ship combat? Or should they also be able to hire a pirate crew? maybe, get a spyglass even to examine distant objects and island?

mmos like FFxiv tend to be rather linear, since most people playing like having a set end goal. they also are not all fond of crafting, so this building a ship part may not fly as well as you think. either way, I dont see it as something viable since AC already does it.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

no thank you.

for a properly done seafaring game, it needs to be done that way from the ground up. you cannot easily shoehorn that in to an existing game. not to mention, if the player is in a small ship, why would they be engaging in ship to ship combat? Or should they also be able to hire a pirate crew? maybe, get a spyglass even to examine distant objects and island?

mmos like FFxiv tend to be rather linear, since most people playing like having a set end goal. they also are not all fond of crafting, so this building a ship part may not fly as well as you think. either way, I dont see it as something viable since AC already does it.

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Yes we should be able to hire a pirate crew and use spyglasses!

And the MSQ can just give you a basic ship for free, and you can develop your pirate ship in your Island Sanctuary. :)

Like your idea, but I don't think could do a naval battle type content with FFXIV. Exploring unknown Isles and having your own ship sounds awesome that's probably what some people were picturing in there head when first introduced airships.

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Originally Posted by Seiori

Like your idea, but I don't think could do a naval battle type content with FFXIV. Exploring unknown Isles and having your own ship sounds awesome that's probably what some people were picturing in there head when first introduced airships.

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They can make a naval battle type content that doesn't rely on aligning your shots and such. I was more thinking along the lines of the G-Warrior type of combat that you see in the ShB trial questline.

Also I wasn't thinking of PvP naval battle, I was thinking of having open world enemy ghost ships or something that everyone can join and engage in, much like FATEs, except it's over water!

They tried to give us this content once and it became the OG Diadem. You had to go there on your own FC airship.

And..... it sucked.

Black Flag is so nice. Thank God that one character turned out to be a female xD

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Originally Posted by Skiros

They can make a naval battle type content that doesn't rely on aligning your shots and such. I was more thinking along the lines of the G-Warrior type of combat that you see in the ShB trial questline.

Also I wasn't thinking of PvP naval battle, I was thinking of having open world enemy ghost ships or something that everyone can join and engage in, much like FATEs, except it's over water!

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Nicely thought out, yeah that would be great its something I could get behind.

Not sure if SE could pull it off, but I think its a fun idea.

I recommend trying Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire to anyone looking for a single player RPG with a focus on sailing and exploring Islands.

Sea of Thieves in FFXIV? Yeah, sure, I could get behind that. But you know it would be a clunky mess if they attempted that.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

They tried to give us this content once and it became the OG Diadem. You had to go there on your own FC airship.

And..... it sucked.

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lmao what

OG diadem was about hunting dinosaurs and that stupid emergency mission.

While I am not opposed to the addition of sea voyage/exploration content I would much rather it not be attached to an entire expansion based off the New World for 7.0. The whole pirate aesthetic and the New World as a setting just doesn't appeal to me as something I'd be willing to tolerate an entire expansion's worth of.

I actually wouldn’t mind several self contained islands as zones, with a hub port town we can use to embark to the various zones. Story wise I dunno, and I don’t really think we need a ship..but it could be interesting. Maybe use my closet full of neglected/probably dead squadron members.

I think this is a huge ask and so unlikely to happen. FF XIV just isn't much of an exploration game.

THAT said, if it were to happen...I would want them to go all the way with it and connect the existing continents somehow. I'm somewhat irked that Endwalker added isolated map regions instead of "building out" from Aldenard and Othard better. Makes everything feel really disjointed.

I remember back in PSHome, there was this Pirate Ship Battle Royale type of game that was a lot of fun. If they could do something like that, it would be awesome. You could have factions like The Bloody Executioners, Kraken’s Arms, Sanguine Sirens, The Confederacy, etc.

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lmao what

OG diadem was about hunting dinosaurs and that stupid emergency mission.

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Yeah, it started out as "explore islands!" and then got scope trimmed down to what we ended up with in OG diadem.

FC airships "explore" the various islands now instead. And farm stuff there. But they are definitely exploring islands. You just never get to see what they look like. Sure would be nice if we could give the mammet a camera.

My point is OP's idea is really cool! And SE tried to do it! And because building something like that is a lot harder than it sounds, the result sucked.

Sounds like someone’s been playing too much Lost Ark…

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Sounds like someone’s been playing too much Lost Ark…

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Yep!

It's amazing!

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Sounds like someone’s been playing too much Lost Ark…

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Sounds like someone is posting another one of his thinly veiled troll threads.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Sounds like someone is posting another one of his thinly veiled troll threads.

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>"I want islands and ocean exploration"
>"omg don't fall for titanmen troll thread"

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>"I want islands and ocean exploration"
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Pretend you're not a troll all you want. Anyone who pays attention to what you post knows you are. So you can try this act if you want. Strangely enough no one but you mentioned Titanman...guilty conscience?

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Pretend you're not a troll all you want. Anyone who pays attention to what you post knows you are. So you can try this act if you want. Strangely enough no one but you mentioned Titanman...guilty conscience?

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He's Fandaniel/Elidibus in this Forum

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

no thank you.

for a properly done seafaring game, it needs to be done that way from the ground up. you cannot easily shoehorn that in to an existing game. not to mention, if the player is in a small ship, why would they be engaging in ship to ship combat? Or should they also be able to hire a pirate crew? maybe, get a spyglass even to examine distant objects and island?

mmos like FFxiv tend to be rather linear, since most people playing like having a set end goal. they also are not all fond of crafting, so this building a ship part may not fly as well as you think. either way, I dont see it as something viable since AC already does it.

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Yeah, WoW has tried the seafaring thing in a couple of expansions and it was always a miserable experience. Vash’jir was terrible and pretty much all of BFA was just tedious and awful too. I wasn’t big on the Ruby Sea or the Tempest either in this game. Guess I’m not an island and ocean theme kinda person.

Come to think of it, I hated island and sea zones in Everquest as well. Ocean of Tears, Timorous Deep, Gunthak. Hated them all.

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Pretend you're not a troll all you want. Anyone who pays attention to what you post knows you are. So you can try this act if you want. Strangely enough no one but you mentioned Titanman...guilty conscience?

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I live in your head rent free!

Calm yourself, if I were trolling I'd not be on this account.

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Originally Posted by Skiros

I live in your head rent free!

Calm yourself, if I were trolling I'd not be on this account.

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You need some new material. Calling out your trolling is not "living in my head rent free".

BTW, your village called, they miss you.

The lack of exploration to be had within the game outside of seeing the new zones for the first time when a new expansion goes live is a large part of my frustration with FFXIV. It hits particularly hard of late when the narrative is scaling things back and making our character into a humble adventurer again. I'm very much on board with that decision, since I primarily play fantasy games to lose myself in an immersive world and explore what they have to offer.

So, yeah, I'd very much appreciate the ability to sail off to randomly generated islands and plunder treasure, fight monsters and see interesting sights. I don't think it's an unreasonable request either - older MMO's have managed to implement such content successfully and so have many pseudo-MMO's such as Monster Hunter World.

At the moment, I get my exploration fix from playing ESO but that's a shame since I'd rather not be investing in multiple MMO's given how much of a time sink even one of them can be.

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You need some new material. Calling out your trolling is not "living in my head rent free".

BTW, your village called, they miss you.

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Why are you whining about trolling in a thread where there is none? This is one of the few threads they've posted lately that ISN'T trolling.

I would speak from my own experience about what I consider the most successful attempt of sea exploration.
Years ago. An MMO that I'll not name was launched and their world is an interesting one. The lands were islands floating in the middle of magical space. I liked how the devs took advantage and in a later patch introduced sea exploration. Where the players can build their own ships, customize them, and go exploring in that magical space that did not consist of one big zone or two, but tens if not hundreds of smaller spaces that connect to each other ( Think of Deep dungeon rooms but on a much larger scale and being fixed )
The players must drive their ships manually to their destination ( Driver mode has a full Hotbar of commands such as accelerating, Go right, Go left, Stop, Slow down, etc... ) and survive the journey. Yes, you can get attacked by mobs ( trash or bosses ) and by other players as well, and you'll need to defend your ship by shooting cannons at them. Sometimes trash mobs and players can board your ship and you get to fight them in the traditional way.
Then after the battle, you'll have to repair your ship by picking NPCs from below the deck and throwing them at the damaged parts.
What I liked about this experience the most is that at the port, you can talk to an NPC who would tell you the backstory of each island you may arrive at. Stuff like: "I heard a rumor about a dragon living in X island that used to give guidance." and "In a book, I found at the library there was the tale of Y island, where you can find magical springs that can heal all wounds.". Then afterward you can sail and you may arrive at one of those islands for real. It was the best exploration experience I ever had in an MMO.
Sadly said game is now dead and heavily P2W. Sigh...
But yes I'll strongly support any idea that can give me a similar exploration experience!

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The lack of exploration to be had within the game outside of seeing the new zones for the first time when a new expansion goes live is a large part of my frustration with FFXIV.

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..agreed... one of the best parts for me of FFXI was the open world dungeons. Essentially places where you had to play cat-and-mouse with very powerful mobs and deal with traps/locked doors etc. A proper dungeon delve with treasure boxes and random notorious monsters.

Also, in Guildwars 2, just environmental fun to be had via jumping puzzles or exploring awesome nooks and crannies everywhere. It's an older game but if you haven't you should check it out.

This just makes me think back to playing Pirates of the Caribbean Online as a kid. That game was way better than it had any right to be.

Technically they gave us a spaceship. So I fully expect to hang out with Garrus and Tali next expansion.

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Technically they gave us a spaceship. So I fully expect to hang out with Garrus and Tali next expansion.

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Exploring abandoned space colonies/stations/facilities of some other advanced civilization out in the cosmos as deep dungeon or just instant area, sign me up lol.

Whilst your heart is in the right place OP, remember , its was too much for some folk to navigate a small area to find fuel and escape a desperate situation in a weakened body of a Garlean soldier whilst our actual body was possessed by that Sepiroth wannabe making his way to ruin our pals over at our winter camp for Garlean refugees club.

Imagine expecting the players that requested an easy mode in MSQ duties , the above mentioned in from the cold mission getting its easy mode , made even easier , to navigate the seas of a new expansion which requires compass observations in order to not get lost on the winds of change.

I think they would have an aneurism if SqE dared to make something as "detailed"

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Whilst your heart is in the right place OP, remember , its was too much for some folk to navigate a small area to find fuel and escape a desperate situation in a weakened body of a Garlean soldier whilst our actual body was possessed by that Sepiroth wannabe making his way to ruin our pals over at our winter camp for Garlean refugees club.

Imagine expecting the players that requested an easy mode in MSQ duties , the above mentioned in from the cold mission getting its easy mode , made even easier , to navigate the seas of a new expansion which requires compass observations in order to not get lost on the winds of change.

I think they would have an aneurism if SqE dared to make something as "detailed"

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Well, they could always just make it so that the MSQ routes are easy enough and can be auto-routed, and leave the difficult stuff to side content post-MSQ.

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Technically they gave us a spaceship. So I fully expect to hang out with Garrus and Tali next expansion.

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That would be cool too!

I mean flying or boating around an overworld is kinda of a FF staple. Would be cool to see in ffxiv especially if we get to customize our ships, more so if they act like personal homes.