Petition for Noctis Job

Because... why not? We got Squall job ( Gunbreaker ) then why can't we get a Noctis's job in the future? ( 7.0+ )
Would be very cool :D

Edit: Seeing as people here got confused on how a Noctis's job would work. I decided to suggest a basic idea that can be built upon. So Noctis's job would focus on utilizing different weapons for different attacks. The weapons themselves are assigned to the actions & abilities rather than the weapon slot. This isn't something entirely new, as MCH are capable of utilizing different weapons ( Flamethrower, Cross-bows, a shotgun, etc... ) that are assigned to the actions & abilities and even their LB3 instead of the weapon slot itself. The weapon slot would have an Armiger as a weapon. How it looks like in-game? Up to the devs.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Because... why not? We got Squall job ( Gunbreaker ) then why can't we get a Noctis job in the future? ( 7.0+ )
Would be very cool :D

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What kind of job would you peg Noctis as exactly? I'm honestly have difficulty tying him to a specific job.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

What kind of job would you peg Noctis as exactly? I'm honestly have difficulty tying him to a specific job.

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His whole thing is that he uses a myriad of weapons interchangably. I am not sure you'd be able to make a job that fits that fantasy, with how gear works regarding jobs.

Not likely. The job system in this game is based on your equipped weapon.
Noctis' 'job' is quite definitively based on being able to use any and every weapon.

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Originally Posted by GrimGale

His whole thing is that he uses a myriad of weapons interchangably. I am not sure you'd be able to make a job that fits that fantasy, with how gear works regarding jobs.

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That was pretty much what I was alluding to. I can't see him fitting into the niche of a single job.

The closest thing to Noctis would be the Freelancer class from FFV, but I have no idea how they'd implement that into FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by SDaemon

What kind of job would you peg Noctis as exactly? I'm honestly have difficulty tying him to a specific job.

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If we can't define him by something. We make him the definition. Or something like that.
Honestly, it isn't a big deal how it functions. The different weapons could be assigned to the actions and abilities rather than the weapon slot itself.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

If we can't define him by something. We make him the definition. Or something like that.
Honestly, it isn't a big deal how it functions. The different weapons could be assigned to the actions and abilities rather than the weapon slot itself.

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So what would the unique weapon of this job be?

I have edited the main post. Please read the edit :)

'Armiger' isn't a weapon, it's a system.

Perhaps it could work with an 'Engine Blade', and be the melee magitek job, but that would seem a little too similar to a gunblade to me.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

'Armiger' isn't a weapon, it's a system.

Perhaps it could work with an 'Engine Blade', and be the melee magitek job, but that would seem a little too similar to a gunblade to me.

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True, but it's something to begin with.
It's something up to the devs to make up, as I'm only here to ask for it and give a basic idea :D
I still remember back before EW announcements there was a couple of people asking for a reaper job that utilizes scythe similar to a guy from ShB ( Who shall not be named ) and some responses were like: "No a scythe isn't a combat weapon. No a dark-themed melee is just copy/paste DPS DRK"
And If that's any indication. An NPC from EW ( Who shall also not be named ) used a similar concept to a Noctis job and might be a hint or tease towards it being added in the future.

A ring weapon might be cool but i have no clue what his weapon is or his job. Don't we already have it kindof?

Weapon Master or a more cool sounding, Specialist?
I guess your skills would change based on whatever weapon they want it to be.
One would be a sword, your next combo is an axe, next is spear and so on.
If we're going by FF terms perhaps, yeah Freelancer?

Your limit break will the Gates of Babylon LOL.
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Isn't MCH a weapons specialist, though? Even has Flamethrower.

If his job is "being able to use every weapon" ... then aren't we all Noctis, in a way?

... I know practically everybody has those big ugly cars.

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Originally Posted by Jennah

If his job is "being able to use every weapon" ... then aren't we all Noctis, in a way?

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Treating this more seriously, yes. Noctis doesn't have a job, he's defined by being able to do all the other jobs (more or less); he's basically like our poster boy Midlander, switching around between jobs. If I had to classify him as an actual canon Final Fantasy job, he'd probably be an Onion Knight. (Or maybe a Freelancer.)

Though, Onion Knight would be an interesting job. Especially if you took the War of the Lions approach, where the Onion Knight job level is determined by how many other jobs you've mastered. I don't know how you'd do it right, though.

Maybe the OKN (Onion Knight) has a level that's the average level of all your full combat jobs (including those not unlocked, and excluding any limited jobs), and in proper Onion Knight fashion is able to equip any gear you could on a given job. So if you have Gunbreaker at 78, your Onion Knight would be able to equip any Gunbreaker gear up to level 78, provided the Knight themselves was level 78. If you had MNK at 43, you could mix-and-match the GNB and MNK gear, provided the MNK gear was level 43 or less (and, obviously, that the Onion Knight's own calculated level is sufficient overall to equip whatever gear).

So if you had all the full combat jobs at 80, your OKN's level would be 80, and you could equip any level 80 (or less) combat gear in the game.

It could be really fascinating to shuffle around gear cross-job, both for substat optimization purposes (and for glamour purposes, I admit). And it would be a neat incentive to have leveled all the combat jobs, beyond things like "You get a title!" or "You get an amaro!" or "You get a horrifyingly garish hat!" But I have no idea what sort of ability-set you'd give OKN. Can you just pull bits and pieces from other jobs? It doesn't feel like that would work. Maybe you have to define a set of abilities per-job you can pull from, and once you've got the origin job to the appropriate level and the OKN to the appropriate level (by leveling all the jobs), you can use that ability on the OKN?

I mean, overall, OKN would be such a weird outlier I suspect it would need to be a limited job like BLU currently is, with its own challenges and subsystems.

Honestly I'd petition for a Beastmaster job. It'll play kinda like blue mage where you have a log of all the tamable monsters in the game and it having its own set of content like Masked Carnival. It'll reintroduce a proper "pet" class for this game too.

That or Chemist job where you can mix different items in battle.

I mean, Gunbreaker is more Seifer than Squall, but yeah. Maybe it could be something inspired by Firion? No idea how it would work or what it would be called though. Weaponsmaster is about the best I could do there.

I can see a Noctis type job working where we are able to use a number of different abilities and weapons across many different jobs, but only towards the end of this games life cycle, when they are sure it will be the last expansion. Something like that would be pretty well able to solo most content given they would have access to DPS, tank and healing abilities, so they would probably be able to get away with running most things except the latest content without a party. Would be fun though as a kind of send of to the game having our character able to simultaneously use all of the jobs and skills they have learned during this time.

I would be more excited for something like Cloud's or Clive's. They both are very battlemage-y, whereas the closest jobs that currently accomplish that are PLD and RDM(And you know... PLD is... PLD, holy magic and all that jazz while the other is a duelist that had a dream of being a battlemage but ended up being a mage that sometimes likes to stab things).

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Not likely. The job system in this game is based on your equipped weapon.
Noctis' 'job' is quite definitively based on being able to use any and every weapon.

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You would only need a base weapon like any other job, and then just have the weapon swapping be the abilities. It could work similar to a Red Mage in swapping out weapons, in the same way that a Red Mage uses White and Black magick.

you mention squall job but you dont mention clouds job (darkknight) iam still waiting on that buster sword glamour

With how Gunbreaker turned out, I would prefer if they did not create a class based off a characters weapon...

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

Treating this more seriously, yes. Noctis doesn't have a job, he's defined by being able to do all the other jobs (more or less); he's basically like our poster boy Midlander, switching around between jobs. If I had to classify him as an actual canon Final Fantasy job, he'd probably be an Onion Knight. (Or maybe a Freelancer.)

Though, Onion Knight would be an interesting job. Especially if you took the War of the Lions approach, where the Onion Knight job level is determined by how many other jobs you've mastered. I don't know how you'd do it right, though.

Maybe the OKN (Onion Knight) has a level that's the average level of all your full combat jobs (including those not unlocked, and excluding any limited jobs), and in proper Onion Knight fashion is able to equip any gear you could on a given job. So if you have Gunbreaker at 78, your Onion Knight would be able to equip any Gunbreaker gear up to level 78, provided the Knight themselves was level 78. If you had MNK at 43, you could mix-and-match the GNB and MNK gear, provided the MNK gear was level 43 or less (and, obviously, that the Onion Knight's own calculated level is sufficient overall to equip whatever gear).

So if you had all the full combat jobs at 80, your OKN's level would be 80, and you could equip any level 80 (or less) combat gear in the game.

It could be really fascinating to shuffle around gear cross-job, both for substat optimization purposes (and for glamour purposes, I admit). And it would be a neat incentive to have leveled all the combat jobs, beyond things like "You get a title!" or "You get an amaro!" or "You get a horrifyingly garish hat!" But I have no idea what sort of ability-set you'd give OKN. Can you just pull bits and pieces from other jobs? It doesn't feel like that would work. Maybe you have to define a set of abilities per-job you can pull from, and once you've got the origin job to the appropriate level and the OKN to the appropriate level (by leveling all the jobs), you can use that ability on the OKN?

I mean, overall, OKN would be such a weird outlier I suspect it would need to be a limited job like BLU currently is, with its own challenges and subsystems.

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This was my first thought. As for how it could work... the easiest route would probably be to have a simplified set of abilities for each weapon that changes based on your equipped weapon and abilities to swap weapons, with a handful of extra abilities that don't change. Access to all role actions, able to use all gear and benefitting from all primary stats equally.


Using abilities directly from other jobs idk, those are meant to work with each other. Maybe there could be something like the old role action system where you can pick a small number of abilities/traits to add to your own based on jobs you've leveled but can only choose ones that don't involve some special resource. So buffs, RDM dual cast + big BLM spells, other stuff? 🤔

I like the Onion Knight suggestion, I've seen and chipped in around that job a few times. I do think it could be a good candidate for limited - though the progression of the job would be one chonking project for new players and that might not be 'great'. Personally I see spells from jobs sifted into groups of spenders, builders, ogcds, utility, and more of a general combo such that you could possibly see black mage lightning combo into raiden thrust, etc, etc (abilities are parsed into catagories that begins the structure of interactions, rules, and other gameplay core concepts). Perhaps not the entire kit of spells from each job, but the heart of some of the more interesting spells of each job parsed into classes of spell types with systems built into them to encourage different interactions. Mayhap even include passives, like Red Mage double casting. As well as OKN special passives like perhaps a passive at X level causes elemental spells to give you a buff that imbues your next physical action, meanwhile some spells (or another passive in the job) might have other interactions with that buff like imagining FFXI's magic burst system.

These passives maybe learned from job but also job combos, almost like a FFXI Blue Mage when they were able to make passives. Like the above elemental magic -> physical en-spell might be something you pick up from leveling Red Mage, getting to a certain OKN level, and maybe even using X red magic spells as OKN. I do personally feel the job should have to level on it's own over 'level via other jobs leveling' (of course the job pulls form leveled job's abilities, but I feel it's important to get to progress the job itself actively over passively).

Everything built like a jigsaw with intentional edges built to the pieces so they can be slotted around in obvious and non-obvious ways. Especially as the job levels, like multiple layers of puzzle pieces (elements, types, buffs- situations where casting certain unique elements lengths or pauses buffs, other abilities have affinities added to them, certain spells need 'spent', others being more spammable). The job having it's own formula for stats so that stacking just one stat isn't, always, the most ideal, like if you had a job that was split mind and intelligence vs a job pure intelligence obviously the pure intelligence, under normal stat mechanics, would just be way more useful- so this job would need it's own special stat interactions.

To prevent too much non-structure when you build your kit you might define some of your combos in a UI. Like slotting lightning into combo slot 1, Raiden thrust into combo slot 2, or flare into spender slot 1. Could be fun to build... Also sounds like a lot of work though lol. As you level you unlock more slots, of differing types. Like at X level you might take your 1 2 3 combo and gain the opportunity to split it (Like Paladin's). At another stage you might be able to modify the slot setup altogether via points to spend (as you level you earn more), like normally at 30 you get one utility but by spending this customization point (always refundable) your utility slot gains a combo slot- coming with multiple different types of implications.

In a general comment, off the OKN idea, to the imagery of lots of cool floating things around you, Sage starts that picture but perhaps in the next set of spells one of their abilities will cause them to gain many more Nouliths -- giving them that storm of equipment visual vibe like Noctis.

I do think Noctis when using his ring power looks pretty cool :)

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

'Armiger' isn't a weapon, it's a system.

Perhaps it could work with an 'Engine Blade', and be the melee magitek job, but that would seem a little too similar to a gunblade to me.

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Eh, I'm not sure. Heck, you could call it a Crystal or Fabulis or whatnot, and so long as the stance- (or, weapon-)switching gameplay feels sufficiently distinct... that's that.

...I really don't want to call a warp-striking sword-reshaping master of magicked arms an... onion... knight, however. Why not just take a name from the same game and call him a Glaive or Warden or the like?

What's a Noctis?

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Originally Posted by Kolsykol

What's a Noctis?

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An edgelord warlock ninja who is also a prince because plots still need feudal structures to provide motivation for their characters?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Eh, I'm not sure. Heck, you could call it a Crystal or Fabulis or whatnot, and so long as the stance- (or, weapon-)switching gameplay feels sufficiently distinct... that's that.

...I really don't want to call a warp-striking sword-reshaping master of magicked arms an... onion... knight, however. Why not just take a name from the same game and call him a Glaive or Warden or the like?

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Cabbage knight?

If they actually made a new job "Be able to equip a bunch of skills from other classes in weird combinations"
Then that's not Noctis.
Or even an Onion Knight.
That, my friends, is a Mimic.
And I want one.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Because... why not? We got Squall job ( Gunbreaker ) then why can't we get a Noctis's job in the future? ( 7.0+ )
Would be very cool :D

Edit: Seeing as people here got confused on how a Noctis's job would work. I decided to suggest a basic idea that can be built upon. So Noctis's job would focus on utilizing different weapons for different attacks. The weapons themselves are assigned to the actions & abilities rather than the weapon slot. This isn't something entirely new, as MCH are capable of utilizing different weapons ( Flamethrower, Cross-bows, a shotgun, etc... ) that are assigned to the actions & abilities and even their LB3 instead of the weapon slot itself. The weapon slot would have an Armiger as a weapon. How it looks like in-game? Up to the devs.

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YES. This 100x.

As a Noctis fanboy, seeing a certain someone using armiger in EW makes me so happy.

And I like your idea of assigning different weapons to abilities. MCH and DNC already do that, so I'm sure armiger system will works. For the base combo and main weapon, have us use one handed sword and spell for ranged. I'm thinking noctis job could be the mystic knight of ff14.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

...I really don't want to call a warp-striking sword-reshaping master of magicked arms an... onion... knight, however. Why not just take a name from the same game and call him a Glaive or Warden or the like?

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I mean, I don't think Onion Knight is really suitable for Noctis, no. But if "being able to use all the weapons" is the defining trait here... well, we have a canon Final Fantasy job that can use all the other jobs' gear. And that is Onion Knight. (And according to XIV lore, Onion Knights even did exist in the Allagan era, apparently.)

If the goal is more "you have one weapon -- say, a crystal focus for aetheric energy -- and a single set of abilities like every other job, but visually those abilities take the form of different weapons when you use them", then I'd argue that's not really 'using all the weapons', it's just basically just the visuals. Let's say it's a melee job; after all, it does need to fit into either Melee, Physical Ranged, or Magical Ranged as a job in this game. (Heck, you can make it an agile job so it bases off of dexterity -- justify it because you have to switch stances rapidly for all the weapons -- and make it use Scouting gear.)

So you have your various melee abilities that manifest as a sword or a lance or whatever, and then your one or two ranged attacks maybe manifest a bow, and your gap-closer is a warp strike. It's sort of Noctis-ish!

Of course, one problem is that you can't really have any way to glamour all the weapons you use in your attacks individually -- nor would it be reasonable to expect a given crystal focus (for lack of a better term) as this job's main-hand weapon to include unique models for every other weapon you might use. So you'd probably want to have the ones that manifest during attacks just use the Padjal weapons from Palace of the Dead, and the unique weapon appearances would apply to the crystal focus (which could float behind you sort of akin to how sage's nouliths do).

I mean, you can make it work.

But if what you want isn't just the visuals but actually being able to use the different weapons/gear, well... *gestures to Onion Knight*

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Because... why not? We got Squall job ( Gunbreaker ) then why can't we get a Noctis's job in the future? ( 7.0+ )
Would be very cool :D

Edit: Seeing as people here got confused on how a Noctis's job would work. I decided to suggest a basic idea that can be built upon. So Noctis's job would focus on utilizing different weapons for different attacks. The weapons themselves are assigned to the actions & abilities rather than the weapon slot. This isn't something entirely new, as MCH are capable of utilizing different weapons ( Flamethrower, Cross-bows, a shotgun, etc... ) that are assigned to the actions & abilities and even their LB3 instead of the weapon slot itself. The weapon slot would have an Armiger as a weapon. How it looks like in-game? Up to the devs.

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So gonna let ya know. This would just be a discount melee mch and we dont need more of the same. Need something completely new.

We already have Noctis in the form of BLU, a Job that will never be finished and no one wants to play it. :P

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

I mean, I don't think Onion Knight is really suitable for Noctis, no. But if "being able to use all the weapons" is the defining trait here.

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Without the metamorphosizing mana-weapon, that is just being a Warrior of Light / adventurer, though?

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Onion Knights even did exist in the Allagan era, apparently.

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Aye, but weren't they apparently Vivi-like sentient constructs, much like the mobs we'd find in dungeons, rather than an actual job?

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If the goal is more "you have one weapon -- say, a crystal focus for aetheric energy -- and a single set of abilities like every other job, but visually those abilities take the form of different weapons when you use them", then I'd argue that's not really 'using all the weapons', it's just basically just the visuals.

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Anything can be reduced to whatever dismissive frame, but in the end, again, it will depend on how the job feels to play. I just doubt, in said gameplay, anything like Noctis would share vibes with anything like a traditional take on an Onion Knight --a mere comically-named job given identity primarily through lack of identity (no weaknesses, no set niche)-- however.

tl;dr: To say that "If you want weapon-changing partly for its visuals, you don't really want weapon-changing" while shuffling everything outside your dichotomy under "If you want weapon-changing, that must be Onion Knight," is... a bit disingenuous.

We’re not worthy to have the King of King’s power :p

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Originally Posted by Floortank

We already have Noctis in the form of BLU, a Job that will never be finished and no one wants to play it. :P

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Wait, I thought that was Lightning's job?

What about Freelancer or Onion Knight? Both are "endgame" jobs in their respective games, possessing the combined power of numerous other previously mastered jobs. It would have to be a limited job if introduced in this manner, but it could certainly make for some interesting gameplay. Rather than utilizing learned monster skills the way BLU, we rapidly shift between the weapons (likely aetherial versions, but maybe not?) and abilities of every job we have. Could have it gain attribute bonuses and new skills based on how many jobs we have at level cap. Raising every combat job to level cap would make it hideously powerful, but that's kinda the point.