Healer suggestion video

WHM Video
SCH Video
AST Video

I will preface this by saying that I didn't make this video nor do I agree with everything in the video but thought it was a refreshing take on the subject and had some interesting thoughts in it that I felt the need to share it here. Shame I can't post videos directly to the forums but it is what it is.

This guy gets it. Two thumbs up. This video is a fantastic summary of everything I loathe about how horribly FFXIV's healers are designed, and how a few traits that connect kit abilities together and actually respect how this game is designed could make healers a thousand times more engaging without making the healing part too "haaaaaaaaaaaard" for Curebots.

I love the video because it respects the design direction we can see the devs want: the strong GCD healer.

He named two things that I think the WHM could use that actually fits well:

1) The Thundercloud-Dia (or Diacloud) is very elegant in adding another damage button…without adding another damage button. My personal idea I discussed with others was to make the Diacloud proc happen after using a lily (Afflatus Solace/Rapture). Would make lilies dps neutral (well…slightly less), but in the end makes Misery a dps gain.

2) Amdapor Reverse is a classic ability that would be very flavorful and unique for WHM. I was trying to figure out what the best way to implement it, but the Sacrosanct debuff (essentially a reverse Kardia) is another awesome and elegant suggestion.

WHM has a LOT of button real estate available that adding 1 or 2 more abilities would not be bad. It adds damage options while incentivizing things the community feels disdain to using.

A lot of his other suggestions seem very sweeping though and most likely wouldn’t show up until probably a new expansion. However, really looking forward to his suggestion for other healers.

This person also referenced what i mentioned in the other thread that GCD healing needs to be rewarded with DPS otherwise we'll just ignore those buttons and depending on which healer we're talking about thats up to half of our toolkit.

I really like their suggestions for revamping the entire kit. Moving Afflatus spells all the way down to 30 would really help cement the WHM identity and play style. It's kind of jarring that you don't get the most important tools as a new player until you've worked your way through 2 or 3 expansions worth of content.

True. A lot of the Healers spells do the same in a slightly different way. Thats why i think the devs, should fusion some healing spells and that will make room for a few more dps buttons or a more fun dps mechanic.

Absolutely loved the ideas in the video, wow. I would absolutely be more inclined to play it more if it played like this.
I think moving the Lily system to 30 is fantastic, and the procs on Dia would add a lot to the identity by rewarding the player for keeping regen uptime as well as making it feel like a true twin to BLM like it typically is in other games.
The reward for casting GCD heals as well is phenomenal, and would really carve out WHM's niche without just shifting the identity of the job.

WHM as a job just, personally, feels devalued in later content. Not in numbers, but in identity. GCD healing is just not valued. The ideas here would help fashion WHM into a capable and powerful healer that uses GCD healing as a core component of the kit, rather than something to be ignored for dps uptime. These changes would let it keep that identity, and even play into it, in a way that's meaningful, impactful, and fun too even at the highest end of content. The dev team should really really watch this and have a discussion about it.
I would play WHM if this was what its kit was.

Give me these changes and I'd go WHM in a heartbeat. Sounds a lot more fun, engaging and interactive than any of the current healers.
This is exactly the type of synergies I've missed on all healers while still respecting the way combat and content is designed aswell as the healer's respective niche. So many wonderful ideas that make it fun while keeping it accessible and entirely possible to balance well by adjusting cooldowns alone.
The way skills got moved to lower levels and others adjusted/ merged makes a lot more sense than the current skill acquisition and instead of teaching bad habits and making it counterintuitive to learn, it builds upon its identity early on and teached good habits and synergies.

Holy carp. Why can't we have all of that... :(

it was an excellent video indeed and I really hope se watches it

Link New Video they made about improving SCH's design

I'd really to play his WHM and SCH

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Link New Video they made about improving SCH's design

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Thanks, I'll update the OP

Nice share! I've only gone through the WHM video so far and am not a fan of some of the solutions, but their procedures/guidelines are just /chef's kiss (with the exception that I think we should be plenty willing to require some new actions and systems from the devs, rather than just making do with basic tweaks and consolidation).

Honestly, a lot of the core aspects to the changes in the SCH video are things I was thinking would make sense. Having seen SMN's rework, having buttons dedicated to your current pet make a lot of sense and would enable Selene and Eos to offer something unique again. I'd be excited to play with these redesigns if there were ever a way to experience them.

SE hire this man!

Sacrosanctity is such an amazing ability idea.

Agree, healers designed by him would be so much more fun to play. Their degree in game design is really showing and the best of all is that healers would be more unique again (even if their redesigned AF is just Addersting).

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Agree, healers designed by him would be so much more fun to play. Their degree in game design is really showing and the best of all is that healers would be more unique again (even if their redesigned AF is just Addersting).

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It just goes to show when your designer plays in a role, they understand how to make it engaging without forcing it to be a convoluted mess of disconnected actions, which is what I imagine the designers think would happen if they added depth to the healers.

So, while I agree with almost everything he's saying in the WHM video, I do have more concerns about his take on SCH.

Largely, the longer I was listening to it, I got more of the impression that he wasn't "inspired" by SGE so much as... lifting ideas from it wholesale, having SCH reflect the same general relationship with regards to its healing effects (like having Eos bind to a target a la Kardia) and barriers (being rewarded with additional damage when your Adloquium barriers are consumed a la Addersting).
I'm sure he means well and I agree it would be an improvement... but I would rather SCH and SGE have distinctive styles of healing between them, besides just resource management.

Plus he also claims not to have any idea why the devs are "so against" a DoT-oriented job, when they're gone on record about DoTs being resource intensive and confusing/boring for players to manage, in addition to the feedback received when they tried to make Ruin dependent on DoTs to encourage interaction. I feel it would be harder to make this one land compared to his WHM revamp.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

So, while I agree with almost everything he's saying in the WHM video, I do have more concerns about his take on SCH.

Largely, the longer I was listening to it, I got more of the impression that he wasn't "inspired" by SGE so much as... lifting ideas from it wholesale, having SCH reflect the same general relationship with regards to its healing effects (like having Eos bind to a target a la Kardia) and barriers (being rewarded with additional damage when your Adloquium barriers are consumed a la Addersting).
I'm sure he means well and I agree it would be an improvement... but I would rather SCH and SGE have distinctive styles of healing between them, besides just resource management.

Plus he also claims not to have any idea why the devs are "so against" a DoT-oriented job, when they're gone on record about DoTs being resource intensive and confusing/boring for players to manage, in addition to the feedback received when they tried to make Ruin dependent on DoTs to encourage interaction. I feel it would be harder to make this one land compared to his WHM revamp.

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I disagree that the barriers idea is lifted from SGE. With the way the game is designed, the only way to incentivize GCD healing is to reward well-timed GCD healing with as much, if not more, DPS than just mashing your nuke. The simplest, and generally balanced way of handling this for barriers is to reward when your barrier breaks, which isn't specifically lifted from SGE, but DRK if you really wanted to dig into semantics. How you actually take advantage of the resources you gain completely changes the game, which in his example of SCH would result in reapplying or spreading your DoTs--something very different to what SGE gains (nothing).

As for the Kardia tactic, sure perhaps it's taken from SGE, but there's an undeniable value in being able to control who's healed rather than have no control whatsoever. It's a fair direction to move in for the sake of making your faerie more reliable as a source of external healing, though I'd even wonder if it would be better if Eos and Selene offered a single target Regen that they had 100% upkeep on. It would force you to reapply it, but one of the things that makes pet AI tricky is that they're constantly casting something, so what happens when you select an ability as they're casting Embrace? That's a part of what makes responsiveness of the faerie unreliable. You could also just place a permanent Regen and give it the Closed Position/Kardia treatment that it can only be on one person at a time, but that's a lot less engaging.

you also could micromanage embrace before 5.0, so choosing who the fairy heals is less copied from sage and more restoring schs gutted ability #9847383

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As I said, I don't agree with everything that he suggests but felt that they'd be useful for discussing potential ideas for reform. While the SCH video is more controversial than the WHM one, not every idea was a direct rip from SGE either, such as lowering the level we acquire the Fairy Gauge and making it a more intricate part of SCH's healing toolkit, which would be at least an avenue of differentiating SCH and SGE's healing methodologies.

Personally, I'd go along with the Fairy Gauge being lowered to level 10 and being directly tied in with the Fairy Healing abilities so Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination and Fey Blessing all use Gauge. It would start at 100 gauge at the start of every instance but not deplete itself upon death. Each ability would cost 20 Gauge and Aetherflow abilities would still build up the gauge as it currently does.

Eos and Selene would be split again and have the following changes.

1. Whispering Dawn on both would remain a regen abilities but with a slight variance between the 2, namely that Eos would have a higher potency but Selene's would last longer. Let's increase the potency of Whispering Dawn to 120 potency on Eos for 15s and for Selene, 75 potency for 24s. It would still heal for a total of 600 potency but depending on the fight, one might be better than the other in certain scenarios.
2. Fey Covenant would make a return, being Selene's answer to Fey Illumination, acting as a mirror of the skill providing 10% Damage mitigation and 5% healing magic potency.
3. Fey Blessing would remain a heal for Eos but be changed into a shield effect for Selene.

Seraph would be a combination of the 2 fairies and would work like this.

1. The Fairy Gauge is automatically changed into the Seraph Gauge that starts off at 100 while she's out. This is to prevent any gauge use prior to her summoning from interfering with Seraph's overall potency, with only the CD's of the abilities being the only deterrent, much like how it currently works with Seraph and her skills.
2. Angel's Whisper would have a potency of 110 for 18s. This would mean that Seraph would heal for a total potency of 660, making her slightly stronger than both Eos and Selene in terms of healing potency taking their ideas of a stronger upfront heal and longer duration to make herself more potent.
3. Seraph Illumination would provide 10% Mitigation and Healing potency, combining the 2 traits of the individual fairies and once again improving upon it
4. Consultation will now take over Fey Blessing's spot and would be functionally unchanged since it already functions as a merged version of Fey Blessing already.

To work with this new system, Dissipation would now provide 30 Fairy Gauge upon execution, reduce the CD of Fairy Skills by 20s and still provide the Heal potency boost but would no longer provide Aetherflow.

Edit: I forgot about Aetherpact. So, for Aetherpact, I think the video's idea of tethering the fairy to a target would work as an 18s oGCD but instead of it being your current fairy, have it summon the other fairy to tether to the target to spam Embrace on them while your original fairy is unburdened by the tether and thus can continue to utilize her own skills during its duration. This removes the clunkiness of having to stop the tether to utilize your other fairy abilities while retaining its function as an increase to healing on a specific target, assuming both fairies target the individual. The only downside to this is that since it can no longer be stopped on will, it would lose that level of flexibility that it currently has but I think it might be for the best.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

With the way the game is designed, the only way to incentivize GCD healing is to reward well-timed GCD healing with as much, if not more, DPS than just mashing your nuke. The simplest, and generally balanced way of handling this for barriers is to reward when your barrier breaks,

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I think that's still a restrictive way of thinking about barrier healing, though.

Even in the case of DRK and SGE, while they both use the "break the barrier to get a resource" system, their relationships to barrier application are different. Because TBN is significantly shorter in duration and meatier in potency than Adlo or E.Diag, DRK has to time theirs for a period when they know the barrier will be broken. By contrast, SGE's barriers have no such limitation owing to their longer duration, and can (and at the moment, should) be precast during downtime, while being weak enough on their own that they're essentially throwaway barriers.
Because TBN's reward is just a refund of its cost, DRK uses it as a barrier first and a resource second; because SGE has to use the barrier in order to get Addersting (or use Pepsis), it's a resource first and a barrier second.

But SCH has no such restriction at the moment, and even in the kit as proposed in the video, required adding (or returning) elements to their kit to facilitate a "break barrier to get a resource" system.
What if instead, for instance, SCH was rewarded for the application of the barrier rather than its consumption? For instance, maybe striking the barrier could cause additional damage to targets afflicted with SCH's DoT effects, or even be used to spread them to anyone hitting it.
Or what if it took a page out of DRK's book and focused on the actual timing of the barrier? For instance, having the barrier get a very brief window of greater effect on activation, like a couple seconds of mitigation or a deteriorating extra barrier on top.
Remember, SCH is supposed to be a tactician and already has stronger barrier heals than SGE, so for them, even having barriers should be a part of a particular stratagem.

There's all sorts of ways to give SCH an impactful relationship with its barriers without just copy-pasting SGE's reward system on a different ability.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

Plus he also claims not to have any idea why the devs are "so against" a DoT-oriented job, when they're gone on record about DoTs being resource intensive and confusing/boring for players to manage, in addition to the feedback received when they tried to make Ruin dependent on DoTs to encourage interaction. I feel it would be harder to make this one land compared to his WHM revamp.

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So it's better to make a job that has 1 dot which you migjt constantly forget to reapply because how useless it is outside the DPS than to give it any kind of interactivity that makes you think about it all the time?

Besides we need context here to what jobs are being talked about. I dont find BLM or BRD dots boring for example, i do find Healer dots boring however. Because its just a button i press every 30s that doesnt interact with the rest of my kit, or itself like thundercloud does.

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Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya

So it's better to make a job that has 1 dot which you migjt constantly forget to reapply because how useless it is outside the DPS than to give it any kind of interactivity that makes you think about it all the time?

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I mean if it were up to me, I'm absolutely for DoT interactions, but I would agree that a "quantity over quality" approach isn't necessary to achieve that. As you noted, BLM is an example of interactivity being possible with just one DoT.
But in the examples you named, the DoTs themselves actually do something to benefit the caster, whereas things like Tri-Disaster/"Toxify" and Bane only provide tools to ease applying them.

Honestly I'm not actually sure what the fascination SCHs have with regaining Miasma is. A potency bump to Biolysis achieves the same effect, without spending multiple GCDs on application.
Unless it's all a pretense to reclaim Bane, I suppose, in which case I suppose I can't blame them.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

I mean if it were up to me, I'm absolutely for DoT interactions, but I would agree that a "quantity over quality" approach isn't necessary to achieve that. As you noted, BLM is an example of interactivity being possible with just one DoT.
But in the examples you named, the DoTs themselves actually do something to benefit the caster, whereas things like Tri-Disaster/"Toxify" and Bane only provide tools to ease applying them.

Honestly I'm not actually sure what the fascination SCHs have with regaining Miasma is. A potency bump to Biolysis achieves the same effect, without spending multiple GCDs on application.
Unless it's all a pretense to reclaim Bane, I suppose, in which case I suppose I can't blame them.

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At minimum, I would like for all healers to get an AoE DoT to go alongside their AoE nuke, even if the AoE DoT and ST DoT couldn't stack. I can only Art of Floor so often before being bored and I would like something else to break the monotony of it.

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Originally Posted by Archwizard

I mean if it were up to me, I'm absolutely for DoT interactions, but I would agree that a "quantity over quality" approach isn't necessary to achieve that. As you noted, BLM is an example of interactivity being possible with just one DoT.
But in the examples you named, the DoTs themselves actually do something to benefit the caster, whereas things like Tri-Disaster/"Toxify" and Bane only provide tools to ease applying them.

Honestly I'm not actually sure what the fascination SCHs have with regaining Miasma is. A potency bump to Biolysis achieves the same effect, without spending multiple GCDs on application.
Unless it's all a pretense to reclaim Bane, I suppose, in which case I suppose I can't blame them.

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Ideally i'd overhaul scholar to play similarl to BRD, where tacticts skills proc off of dots like Bards Songs. Its just a general idea i had

From the videos, i do like the ideas. It will keep them more engaging, which I do yearn to have.

Having watched both videos, honestly, I like the ideas. It'd probably even have me switch be to SCH after abandoning it in 5.0.

It feels like they'd take into account difficulty & learning curves, have abilities synergize better, get rid of some of the bloat, make downtime a little more engaging, get a better use of your kits, deals with some general complaints & QoL all that while making WHM less bland and giving it more value beyond "purest healer" and it gives SCH some of its identity back and further differentiates it from SGE. And all the while not adding extra buttons to your crossbars (as like me, he's a controller player)

I don't know how it stacks up against balance (which can be tweaked), but I think the ideas and principles presented I think would improvement my gameplay experience with both jobs and respects the game's design and the needs to satisfy experienced players and inexperienced players.

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So, while I agree with almost everything he's saying in the WHM video, I do have more concerns about his take on SCH.

Largely, the longer I was listening to it, I got more of the impression that he wasn't "inspired" by SGE so much as... lifting ideas from it wholesale, having SCH reflect the same general relationship with regards to its healing effects (like having Eos bind to a target a la Kardia) and barriers (being rewarded with additional damage when your Adloquium barriers are consumed a la Addersting).
I'm sure he means well and I agree it would be an improvement... but I would rather SCH and SGE have distinctive styles of healing between them, besides just resource management.

Plus he also claims not to have any idea why the devs are "so against" a DoT-oriented job, when they're gone on record about DoTs being resource intensive and confusing/boring for players to manage, in addition to the feedback received when they tried to make Ruin dependent on DoTs to encourage interaction. I feel it would be harder to make this one land compared to his WHM revamp.

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The barrier breaking I realise is stepping on SGE's toes a little in terms of it being a shared thing, it's a hard one for a SGE to complain about when the majority of SGE's kit is lifted from SCH, but I can see the argument from the perspective we're trying to avoid homogenisation. I think some overlap is fine, and you can take the same ideas and do them differently to give a different feel and have a job interact with them differently. But I think the good idea that SGE has presented is that you can incentivize GCD use with a DPS benefit, though SGE technically isn't there yet because Toxicon is usually DPS neutral or a DPS loss...but the idea is there.

With the DoT mage aspect. I don't really understand why there's people who allegedly struggle with the concept of DoT management, BRD is still dependent on it, SMN always relied on it and IMO it was fine when SCH had it. And it's a case of "is that DoT up? No? Then put it up."

And I don't see an issue with a difficulty curve existing, some jobs are harder to learn than others and it's fine. My general experience of people new to healing or trying it out for the first time their attitude when they struggle is normally "how do I get better?" and not "this should be easier" regardless of whether we can label them as "casual" or "hardcore". With SCH the fortunate thing is, DoT's aren't even a core part of their role, so people have plenty of room to mess it up without it being detrimental because by the time they get to content where it would be...they'd be skilled enough to handle it.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

by the time they get to content where it would be...they'd be skilled enough to handle it.

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I'd like to address that SE has yet to put any actual Rotation Guidelines or Tutorials in the game. There is literally no instance of Job Tutorial or Opener Assistance from SE. Openers and Rotation is all theory crafted by the player base.

For Example - New Monk is actually quite complex, since you need to delay your Lunar Chakra in order to put Phantom Rush under the 2 minute burst rotation (Phantom Rush is only on 1 minute in very specific scenarios). To learn this, I had to do my own research on MNK and learn what was optimal. Why did I need to look into external sources to understand MNKs core gameplay? Why isn't that information readily available to me as I'm leveling or as a separate Job tutorial?

My point is that any player can breeze their way through leveling a Job without having any actual knowledge of Opener/Rotation. SE needs to incorporate actual Tutorial instances for Jobs. Obviously this is quite a bit of development, but solo trials at 60/70/80 etc to update the player on how to actually DPS, keep their buffs active, keep their DoTs up and be overall competent is something I feel is necessary.

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Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma

I'd like to address that SE has yet to put any actual Rotation Guidelines or Tutorials in the game. There is literally no instance of Job Tutorial or Opener Assistance from SE. Openers and Rotation is all theory crafted by the player base.

For Example - New Monk is actually quite complex, since you need to delay your Lunar Chakra in order to put Phantom Rush under the 2 minute burst rotation (Phantom Rush is only on 1 minute in very specific scenarios). To learn this, I had to do my own research on MNK and learn what was optimal. Why did I need to look into external sources to understand MNKs core gameplay? Why isn't that information readily available to me as I'm leveling or as a separate Job tutorial?

My point is that any player can breeze their way through leveling a Job without having any actual knowledge of Opener/Rotation. SE needs to incorporate actual Tutorial instances for Jobs. Obviously this is quite a bit of development, but solo trials at 60/70/80 etc to update the player on how to actually DPS, keep their buffs active, keep their DoTs up and be overall competent is something I feel is necessary.

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I agree so much on this point. Recently i made an alt and boosted it to a lvl 80 DRK because i didn't wanna play ARR as any of the pre-HW jobs and to my surprise the only Tutorial the game suggested me to do is Novice Arena.
Gee thanks Square, now i know how to play Sastasha... at level 80. Thank god they explain 1-2-3 combo in the job guide website but where is the meat & potatoes of DRK Gameplay? Why is there no quest teaching DRK they can use TBN on other players and NPC? The Tank Role quest in ENW assumes you already know that and every other tank has shared healing abilities instead. It's really not surprising you keep getting Cure I spamming WHM in first Dungeon / Trial of every expansion.

My current Copium theory is that FFXIV became the most profitable MMO too late in ShB's life for YoshiP to use his newfound freedom with the budget to hire additional staff to handle the MMO better for 6.0 but if things won't improve then its just a question of time before things start collapsing in on each other.

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Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma

I'd like to address that SE has yet to put any actual Rotation Guidelines or Tutorials in the game. There is literally no instance of Job Tutorial or Opener Assistance from SE. Openers and Rotation is all theory crafted by the player base.

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I think that's mostly as it should be. There absolutely should be more tutorial quests that call out individual skills, but assembling them together into "rotations" and "openers" is best left to the players.

What's worse than no in-game guide is an in-game guide that the players think is wrong. And that's exactly what will happen if how SE imagines a job should play differs at all from what the players think.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

I think that's mostly as it should be. There absolutely should be more tutorial quests that call out individual skills, but assembling them together into "rotations" and "openers" is best left to the players.

What's worse than no in-game guide is an in-game guide that the players think is wrong. And that's exactly what will happen if how SE imagines a job should play differs at all from what the players think.

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I should have clarified. Optimizing Rotations and Openers should always be left to the player. But very basic Job understanding NEEDS to be explained in game to new players. SE absolutely should not craft openers/rotations, but allow players to understand "How To" and "Why It's Important" to use:
- Beast Chakra Combos
- Reach Astral Fire III
- Keep DoTs up
- Use Available Cooldowns
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Leaving optimization to the player is perfectly fine, and players who want to optimize can freely theory craft. But SE can certainly do more in giving players a thorough understanding of how their chosen Job works.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

I think that's mostly as it should be. There absolutely should be more tutorial quests that call out individual skills, but assembling them together into "rotations" and "openers" is best left to the players.

What's worse than no in-game guide is an in-game guide that the players think is wrong. And that's exactly what will happen if how SE imagines a job should play differs at all from what the players think.

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Rather than ask SE to develop tutorials that would require potentially constant updating to keep them up to date, or suffer the possibility that they would teach suboptimal tutorials that could create tension between players who learned through them and more experienced players, we should add functionality for players to upload rotation tutorial demos of some kind. From there, we could introduce a sort of "Rhythm Game" type of training tool you could use on dummies or in Stone, Sky, Sea to practice your rotation. From player-uploaded tutorials, other players would have the chance to upvote rotation builds they agree with, and they should display the most recent patch that the rotation was updated to.

Not only would this be a way better way for players to handle learning rotations, it's something many other online games already do in a fashion. Lots of MOBAs, for example, allow players to upload build paths in the same fashion. Having said that, however, there's no real way to do this for healing tool priority or things like that, nor defensive cooldowns.

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Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma

I'd like to address that SE has yet to put any actual Rotation Guidelines or Tutorials in the game. There is literally no instance of Job Tutorial or Opener Assistance from SE. Openers and Rotation is all theory crafted by the player base.

For Example - New Monk is actually quite complex, since you need to delay your Lunar Chakra in order to put Phantom Rush under the 2 minute burst rotation (Phantom Rush is only on 1 minute in very specific scenarios). To learn this, I had to do my own research on MNK and learn what was optimal. Why did I need to look into external sources to understand MNKs core gameplay? Why isn't that information readily available to me as I'm leveling or as a separate Job tutorial?

My point is that any player can breeze their way through leveling a Job without having any actual knowledge of Opener/Rotation. SE needs to incorporate actual Tutorial instances for Jobs. Obviously this is quite a bit of development, but solo trials at 60/70/80 etc to update the player on how to actually DPS, keep their buffs active, keep their DoTs up and be overall competent is something I feel is necessary.

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Whilst this is true, I feel like by the time they are doing Savage/Ultimate, they've spent enough time playing the job to be skilled enough to handle using DoT's in addition to their kit, which is what I am referring to. Though when it comes to optimising that DPS, there is a lack of tools in game to do that well.

But one argument I have made in the past is expanding on the Hall of the Novice and building beyond the basics, especially for higher level stuff. Especially now that we have stuff like SGE starting at level 70, somebody who gets SAM to 90 could move onto SGE next and not have a clue. I ended up writing a SGE guide for level 70 for a couple of friends who wanted to pick it up. I know they do a tutorial(ish) mission for SGE and RPR in their level 70 quests, but I don't think they're sufficient because they show you very little.

And my general support for them to do it has been that it's a better solution for making healing jobs accessible than making the experience easier. The same for tanking too. And of course, it helps with people who use jump potions (and lose the benefit of learning as they level) and jobs that start at a higher level.

Here we go! It's time for Astrologian! Astrologian time! Let's not waste any time and watch the video.
I need more time puns...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNJGY9B7VW4

funnily enough i actually talked about him in the whm youtube comment and he said he was partly inspired by my summary of healer issues thread so +1 to me yay

seriously him and us and so many other good healer ideas and se doesnt listen ;n;

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Originally Posted by RinaShinomiya

Here we go! It's time for Astrologian! Astrologian time! Let's not waste any time and watch the video.
I need more time puns...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNJGY9B7VW4

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And updated OP.

cant say I really agree with some of his ast changes, but others are good. Stella I think should be a separate button as one of the major problems is Ast throughout its life after sb was lack of other damage buttons to press.

If i press circle as my main attack, just because its procced to be stella not malefic, doesn't change the fact im still pressing circle

His cards too again fail to address one of the current problems with the current cards and not the old cards that being you only ever use the cards on dps instead of the entire party. Better to restore the old cards, change balance to dhit and spire to a bloodbath effect or mobility buff.