DRK Pain

Just wanna vent. DRK has been my main since Stormblood and While I wasn't the Hugest fan of the Shadowbringers Changes, It's just not fun anymore. Living Dead makes it so out of my control I can do everything right and still die for no reason. TBN if it doesn't break feels like a waste, Oblation feels like barely half an ability (like its effect should just be on TBN honestly). Abyssal Drain is basically useless in Raid Content and heals less than Souleater.
The class just feels like I use delirium, Throw every Ability/OGCD at the boss, then i'm stuck pressing my basic combo for 2 minutes rinse and repeat till the boss dies or I get killed cause Living Dead wasn't Healed all the way

I use to love this class but now i don't even wanna bring it with friends cause I'll be more of a burden to our healers then anything

You're basically preaching to the choir here. If you check the tank section of the forums you'll find a 206 page megathread with complaints about both the ShB and EW DrK design... and that is certainly not the only thread about DrK.

When I heal DRKs that use TBN, I can 100% assure you, it doesn't feel like a waste to me. Living Dead has long needed a rework and SGE is the only healer that absolutely can't save a DRK from LD if they already blew everything before WD wears off as it's not a burst healer.

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Originally Posted by Quintessa

[...] SGE is the only healer that absolutely can't save a DRK from LD [...]

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And scholar.
But yeah, if I don't have a WHM or AST, I know that I will only have extended my life warranty by 10s.

LD is still pretty easy to heal on SCH. Just got to use your kit.

I play all four tanks heavily, mained WAR in Savage for Shadowbringers, and I'm loving DRK in EW. It has a DPS feeling even with big tank cooldowns, and I've had problems tanking literally nothing.

It can't self sustain like a WAR but that's an unimportant feature most of the time.

Living Dead is terrible I dunno why it's still designed the way it is.

Living Dead is terrible, TBN comes too late and is only fully useful if it breaks, Dark Mind is so situational that it's a dead button most of the time, Living Shadow is basically just a DOT with fancier graphics, Oblation is weak and comes way too late....

Aesthetically it's my favorite tank job because I love giant fantasy swords, but play-wise, DRK needs some work.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

I play all four tanks heavily, mained WAR in Savage for Shadowbringers, and I'm loving DRK in EW. It has a DPS feeling even with big tank cooldowns, and I've had problems tanking literally nothing.

It can't self sustain like a WAR but that's an unimportant feature most of the time.

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Drk can be good tbh but there's a lot of thing that are less fun about it. Living dead stayed the same when holmgang and superbolide got buffed, tbn punishing you if you use it at a wrong timing (well it pops fast now so at least there's that), salted earth got changed and i don't find it good (you can't place it anymore, it's more like a nerf imo), dark mind is situational and easly becomes useless, blood weapon still doesn't have stacks and that's more a personnal thing but delirium being almost the inner release isn't great imo we have already war so at least making delirium more different would be a good thing imo.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

LD is still pretty easy to heal on SCH. Just got to use your kit.

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Sure, but it still eats like 3x the amount of resources than any other invuln which makes it just flat out bad.

DRK differs from the other tanks by having most of its meat in the off-globals. If you look at WAR for example its version of Flood of Shadow is on the GCD. That's just a unique point about DRK and if you don't like it there are other tanks.

I have to admit, I did not find DRK fun to play without stacking skill speed, which makes a big difference. By knocking the GCD from 2.5 to near 2.13, the amount of button pressing is a lot faster.

I think DRK suffered from not getting anything that exciting compared to the other tanks in EW. TBN and Abyssal are pretty good in big pulls and before EW were better than what the other tanks had, especially better than PLD and GNB. TBN still needs healer intervention in leveling dungeons but I am guessing it will be a lot better in level 90 dungeons because our item level can grow.

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Originally Posted by FrostiOrca

Just wanna vent. DRK has been my main since Stormblood and While I wasn't the Hugest fan of the Shadowbringers Changes, It's just not fun anymore.

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Sounds like it's a good thing that the game has over a dozen other classes. Have fun!

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

Drk can be good tbh but there's a lot of thing that are less fun about it. Living dead stayed the same when holmgang and superbolide got buffed, tbn punishing you if you use it at a wrong timing (well it pops fast now so at least there's that), salted earth got changed and i don't find it good (you can't place it anymore, it's more like a nerf imo), dark mind is situational and easly becomes useless, blood weapon still doesn't have stacks and that's more a personnal thing but delirium being almost the inner release isn't great imo we have already war so at least making delirium more different would be a good thing imo.

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It's a harder version of WAR. Maybe switch to that? I am highly enjoying DRK, to the point that I am switching off WAR for it. The damage is attractive. I tend to run with good healers too, and I've never needed LD outside of Savage or certain extremes. Fricken Titania lol.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

It's a harder version of WAR. Maybe switch to that? I am highly enjoying DRK, to the point that I am switching off WAR for it. The damage is attractive. I tend to run with good healers too, and I've never needed LD outside of Savage or certain extremes. Fricken Titania lol.

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Where is the hard thing in the problems that i listed tho ? Delirium got easier and even salted earth make the rotation more fluid. Blood weapon needs a good skill speed to find, but even with the greatest skill missing one hit can happen because it's not practical (even players that are the top complain about it). Even tbn is not hard to use at worst case use it on tankbusters only. Dark mind will become useless not matter what if there's no magic dmg, unlike any other defensive CD that you can use any time. Living dead isn't hard for the drk player, it's hard for the healers at most. In fact as a drk you can't say living dead is hard to use, you got all the time in the world to use it correctly.

I don't think war is easier, the difficulty isn't on the damage but on playing defensively imo. And personnaly i feel on auto pilot with drk after the opener, not saying i play perfectly but it feels easier than a dps imo.

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Originally Posted by FrostiOrca

Just wanna vent. DRK has been my main since Stormblood and While I wasn't the Hugest fan of the Shadowbringers Changes, It's just not fun anymore. Living Dead makes it so out of my control I can do everything right and still die for no reason. TBN if it doesn't break feels like a waste, Oblation feels like barely half an ability (like its effect should just be on TBN honestly). Abyssal Drain is basically useless in Raid Content and heals less than Souleater.
The class just feels like I use delirium, Throw every Ability/OGCD at the boss, then i'm stuck pressing my basic combo for 2 minutes rinse and repeat till the boss dies or I get killed cause Living Dead wasn't Healed all the way

I use to love this class but now i don't even wanna bring it with friends cause I'll be more of a burden to our healers then anything

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You do realize as WAR main in EW that’s the reason I play DRK, you want busy tank play GNB, and for god sake stop complaining about DRK ,each tank has their identity . DRK play is good stop complaining and trying to making it a copy of other tanks.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

Where is the hard thing in the problems that i listed tho ? Delirium got easier and even salted earth make the rotation more fluid. Blood weapon needs a good skill speed to find, but even with the greatest skill missing one hit can happen because it's not practical (even players that are the top complain about it). Even tbn is not hard to use at worst case use it on tankbusters only. Dark mind will become useless not matter what if there's no magic dmg, unlike any other defensive CD that you can use any time. Living dead isn't hard for the drk player, it's hard for the healers at most. In fact as a drk you can't say living dead is hard to use, you got all the time in the world to use it correctly.

I don't think war is easier, the difficulty isn't on the damage but on playing defensively imo. And personnaly i feel on auto pilot with drk after the opener, not saying i play perfectly but it feels easier than a dps imo.

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DRK is just a harder version of WAR. There's more cooldowns to watch, more resources to manage, more doubleweaves to execute. It is also less forgiving, as it has far less personal healing and a more punishing invuln. All of these things are manifestly obvious. Not sure why the statement confused you. It is harder.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

DRK is just a harder version of WAR. There's more cooldowns to watch, more resources to manage, more doubleweaves to execute. It is also less forgiving, as it has far less personal healing and a more punishing invuln. All of these things are manifestly obvious. Not sure why the statement confused you. It is harder.

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As i said drk is harder than war for doing dmg and war difficulty is elsewere. Less personnal healing is not punishing for you, it's punishing the healer (he has do deal with you taking more dmg or dying because you didn't use 1 or 2 cd).

I'm not confused, i have said that war is easier for doing damage because it's more busy i actually agreed with you. But war difficulty just isn't there that's all : how to use bloodwething to get the best result? When to use equilibrium+Thrill of battle? Should you chain with shake it off after or keep it? There's a lot of things to look at imo or you could just do dmg and then yes war is easier than drk if you look at how many things you have to keep track of.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

As i said drk is harder than war for doing dmg and war difficulty is elsewere. Less personnal healing is not punishing for you, it's punishing the healer (he has do deal with you taking more dmg or dying because you didn't use 1 or 2 cd).

I'm not confused, i have said that war is easier for doing damage because it's more busy i actually agreed with you. But war difficulty just isn't there that's all : how to use bloodwething to get the best result? When to use equilibrium+Thrill of battle? Should you chain with shake it off after or keep it? There's a lot of things to look at imo or you could just do dmg and then yes war is easier than drk if you look at how many things you have to keep track of.

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You seem confused by the distinction between 'harder' and 'hard.'

Cheese is harder than yogurt. Neither is hard.

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Originally Posted by Juzjuzz

As i said drk is harder than war for doing dmg and war difficulty is elsewere. Less personnal healing is not punishing for you, it's punishing the healer (he has do deal with you taking more dmg or dying because you didn't use 1 or 2 cd).

I'm not confused, i have said that war is easier for doing damage because it's more busy i actually agreed with you. But war difficulty just isn't there that's all : how to use bloodwething to get the best result? When to use equilibrium+Thrill of battle? Should you chain with shake it off after or keep it? There's a lot of things to look at imo or you could just do dmg and then yes war is easier than drk if you look at how many things you have to keep track of.

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I can see by the seven or eight question marks in your post that you are still very confused.

I'd argue DRK is busier than WAR with all the doubleweaving there is.

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Originally Posted by Veranolth

I'd argue DRK is busier than WAR with all the doubleweaving there is.

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True. Has a much more complex opener as well. Loading in the damage is where the difficulty in DRK lies. That requires a fair bit more resource management than WAR.

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Originally Posted by kejakalope

You seem confused by the distinction between 'harder' and 'hard.'

Cheese is harder than yogurt. Neither is hard.

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No i'm just saying that war's difficulty is not the same as what makes drk difficult. So just saying "drk is like war but harder" is overlooking what makes war hard. Both can be hard but for very different reasons.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

I can see by the seven or eight question marks in your post that you are still very confused.

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You can put a question mark somewere and not only asking a question you know. I gave examples on what question you can ask yourself while playing a war.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...tm_name=iossmf

War for dungeons, DRK for raids.

Curious would folks feel better if tbn proc triggered from just taking any hit while its up, and if living was an enusable rather than needing a heal?

You’re amongst a larger lot that also feel your pain to varying degrees.

I just dropped DRK overall in EW after seeing WAR doing everything I can do but also managing to pretty much be immortal on top of it. Ok being top DPS tank currently is nice, but I played DRK for being a tank, and after my tank kit got completely crumbled it's just not fun for me anymore. TBN got nerfed way too much and is pretty much breaks on one hit not providing me enough mitigation, Oblation is pretty much +2 stacks of rampant, and shadow wall had a very long CD. If any other attack isn't a mag attack I can get screwed and heals would have to heal me. LD is just a "Guess I die" button, I noticed that there is a quantity of healers that will let you die, just because it's less trouble to raise you, than to waste mana and CDs on healing you.

I'm not complaining that DRK needs to be buffed and to be on top of most tanks, but it needs some differentiating rework. Now it's just being the edgy WAR reskin. Esp now that delirium and inner release are pretty much the same button. Their playstyle is almost the same now.

Idk I just wish that DRK would be closer to Blood DK in WoW - maybe more risky as a tank, but using some blood magic to create shields for themselves and party (If we want to keep it being "shield tank but risky"). Maybe remove their self heal completely if you want to keep WAR being the self sustainable tank, but give them more situational/party shields?

DRK is in so much pain!