Change Sages Icarus please

It's so annoying to have to click someone just to dash to them. It would be nice if it were as useful as other jobs dashes, because this one just sucks. It's especially annoying for PS5 players who do not want to play on a keyboard. I don't care if you think its better. Its just not my playstyle, and moves like this don't help. They need to remove the need to click on another player, and maybe give it an extra charge. It would go a long way to helping dodge things while we are healing and doing damage. I keep trying to get used to Icarus, but out of all of the Sage abilities, I just can't. Its not fun this way. I usually just toggle my run ability in its place instead.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

It's so annoying to have to click someone just to dash to them. It would be nice if it were as useful as other jobs dashes, because this one just sucks. It's especially annoying for PS5 players who do not want to play on a keyboard. I don't care if you think its better. Its just not my playstyle, and moves like this don't help. They need to remove the need to click on another player, and maybe give it an extra charge. It would go a long way to helping dodge things while we are healing and doing damage. I keep trying to get used to Icarus, but out of all of the Sage abilities, I just can't. Its not fun this way. I usually just toggle my run ability in its place instead.

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What other classes you mean, the only class that has a non targetable dash is DNC, RPR and reaaaaaaaaaaaaally arguably DRG with Elusive. Everyone else has a Target dash or disengage, as in : DRK, GNB, PLD, MNK, SAM, BLM, BRD, SGE.


Thank you Maxilor for reminding me that RPR is also non targeted, I literally forgot about that class (I leveled it, but dont enjoy it.)

Just /ac it to some specified target, whether that's MO, TT, or a fixed party number. You have so many weave windows you can afford a macroed teleport. I personally hate untargeted teleports. Egress and Ingress are the worst; they are obviously meant to represent a gapcloser and a backstep but they are targetless so Egress will shoot you toward your target if you try to activate it while running away--which you should be able to do without having to remember to press the forward teleport button instead of the backwards teleport button.

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Originally Posted by Escalon

What other classes you mean, the only class that has a non targetable dash is DNC and reaaaaaaaaaaaaally arguably DRG with Elusive. Everyone else has a Target dash or disengage, as in : DRK, GNB, PLD, MNK, SAM, BLM, BRD, SGE.

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Also Reaper

I mean, if you're playing Healer, odds are you're going to have a way to easily target players...

As a healer you are individually targeting players to throw kardia/shields anyways , whats different?

If its player 3 of 4 that you want to jump to you select them like you would if you were throwing a shiield on them

Whats different?


How fast you react???

If you had no target and the default was dash forward , like the reaper has , how is that going to get you out of a large conal/circle/half arena attack if your facing the wrong way . having to select a friendly means you dont even need to be facing the right way.


I suggest practice how to switch targets , and use icarus and modify its location on your hotbars for fast emergency access if you are slow to use it to escape danger

If you're a healer and can't quickly target another party member, you're gonna have issues down the road.

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Originally Posted by Floortank

If you're a healer and can't quickly target another party member, you're gonna have issues down the road.

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Was going to chime in with the same. If targeting a player isn't part of your playstyle then Healer just isn't going to be for you.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

I mean, if you're playing Healer, odds are you're going to have a way to easily target players...

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Yeah, it doesn't work out as easy as you think.

Have you attempted <mo> (assuming you're on pc)? I haven't had any issue using this skill this way.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

It's so annoying to have to click someone just to dash to them. It would be nice if it were as useful as other jobs dashes, because this one just sucks. It's especially annoying for PS5 players who do not want to play on a keyboard. I don't care if you think its better. Its just not my playstyle, and moves like this don't help. They need to remove the need to click on another player, and maybe give it an extra charge. It would go a long way to helping dodge things while we are healing and doing damage. I keep trying to get used to Icarus, but out of all of the Sage abilities, I just can't. Its not fun this way. I usually just toggle my run ability in its place instead.

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I play with a controller and have zero issues. Just have to learn how to switch targets. Which you should already be able to do this. Especially in a job like SGE where you have to toggle for oGCDs anyways.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Yeah, it doesn't work out as easy as you think.

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It... does, though? You just... target them the same way you target people to heal?

Unless... don't tell me you only heal with AOEs as SGE? That's an entirely different issue that I'm not qualified to help with.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

It... does, though? You just... target them the same way you target people to heal?

Unless... don't tell me you only heal with AOEs as SGE? That's an entirely different issue that I'm not qualified to help with.

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No, I don't do that. But things do not target well individually. I've the same problem with raise macros. They just don't work well and always end up on the wrong thing even though I'm healing effectively.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

No, I don't do that. But things do not target well individually. I've the same problem with raise macros. They just don't work well and always end up on the wrong thing even though I'm healing effectively.

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If you're using your raise macro by soft targeting someone(highlighting them in the list, without pressing X/A, whatever your confirm button is) and using your macro, it will target them for the Swift Cast, then instantly move your target back to your previous target. If you get in the practice of clicking that X/A button to confirm it's your focus, then your macro won't fail. I know because I've had it happen MANY times.

And just highlighting someone and hitting Icarus does work the same as using an oGCD heal on the tank and going right back to DPSing.

Icarus is quite an awesome spell as it is and a big drawcard for me to the class, it's fun to zoom to someone and it's perfect for closing range fast on a stack. It's also good for catching up to the tank on a large pull. for me... F2>8 gets me there without thinking (Target Tank>Icarus)

Make it fire off in the direction you face and ... well, a lot of platforms don't have edges, you'll be yeeted off into the void and a dead healer. As funny as others find these slipups... let's please not make SGE into a DRG like floor healer meme.

If you are having trouble selecting targets, it's going to be a good suggestion if you can teach that skill to yourself, stop using mouseover/mouse+click to do it, if you are on a keyboard get into the habit Function keys for speed in rez and target selection would be my gentle suggestion. If you can't do that make two macros, one targetting your tank, one targetting one of the DPS.

Every healer should have this skill to be honest... It's the best thing to avoid ice skating stuff...

As a ps4 player, i have no issues targeting players to use it or ress macros. Maybe you are just panicking too much, gotta find a zen and stay at that pace.

Maybe take some more time in getting used to it? It's a newer class and everyone learns stuff in game at different rates.

there is only one eukrasian diagnosis for this issue but I don't have it in my to say it

Such a difficult mechanic to use. We've never had anything like this before.

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PS: Been playing on controller for 8 years. This is one of the easiest things to do on gamepad.

I find it great that this one is player targeted. This is a great ability to catch up to the group if they're running past you after you had to do some GCD heal or stopped to loot or whatever. It's also very handy for making sure you do a mechanic right if you can "ride somebody else's movement". Timed and used right this is very handy.

If anything the other healers need an Icarus dash equivalent. It's a nice QoL for the role imo. Would love for my SCH to have a gap closer the way SMN does XD, can just give the healers their own animations of Icarus Dash. I'm not holding my breath for this to occur though, as nice as I would think it would be.

We've established before this person is a troll but im seeing people who don't use controller suggesting macros and stuff.. let me just say with controller you don't need a macro.. simply pressing up or down on the D-pad will scroll threw party member where as left and right will do everything infront of you party and enemy

I kinda want all gap-closer/gap-maker without potency to require no target cuz I don't really see why I need a target.

As someone who played a lot of DNC last expansion, I really much prefer En Avant's target-less dash. Why? Cause it's fun. No other reason :|
Haven't had issues using Icarus. Pretty useful for catching up to the tank during certain pulls if he gets a bit far ahead... It's just not quite as satisfying to use as I would like it to be. I'd like it if it had either another charge, or a reduced cooldown.

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

I kinda want all gap-closer/gap-maker without potency to require no target cuz I don't really see why I need a target.

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The same reason BLM needs a target for Aetherial Manipulation. There is a skill requirement in using it.

diagnosis: skill issue

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

It's so annoying to have to click someone just to dash to them. It would be nice if it were as useful as other jobs dashes, because this one just sucks. It's especially annoying for PS5 players who do not want to play on a keyboard. I don't care if you think its better. Its just not my playstyle, and moves like this don't help. They need to remove the need to click on another player, and maybe give it an extra charge. It would go a long way to helping dodge things while we are healing and doing damage. I keep trying to get used to Icarus, but out of all of the Sage abilities, I just can't. Its not fun this way. I usually just toggle my run ability in its place instead.

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Is this something I'm too Black Mage to understand?

The others dont even get a dash.

icarus is fine, the issue is in your inability to use it properly, if at all.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

We've established before this person is a troll but im seeing people who don't use controller suggesting macros and stuff.. let me just say with controller you don't need a macro.. simply pressing up or down on the D-pad will scroll threw party member where as left and right will do everything infront of you party and enemy

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You can also customise both, I have party excluded from left-right so I can use that to just target enemies.

Its fine, thing about the non target dashes is that you still need to face the direction you want to go, roughly the same effort as targeting something.

Nah, it's perfectly fine as is (and I also play on controller). Though I wouldn't mind a second charge.