Final Day's aftermath [SPOILER discussion]

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With the Final Days averted and 6.0 MSQ over we are left with one of many big questions with this one being....

How did the Final Days affect the world and what consequences will it have moving forward in Season 2.

We are given a glimps of the consequences of the Final Days in the Job Role Quests as it is revealed there are still people turning into Blasphemies despite the Final Days are prevented and Meteion is no longer causing the Final Days.

What do you think about this consequences and how do you think this may affect the Season 2 storyline locations?

For my opinion, I think this may greatly lead into what the Season 2 storyline may focus on both plot and antagonist wise. With people still at risk with turning into Blasphemies, a locations with high amount of people giving into negative emotions will probably be plagued with people becoming Blasphemies especially if it is a location we know now or a new location we have not learn about yet for Season 2 storyline.

Such events may also contribute to the creation of a new Job dedicated to hunting down Blasphemies from a new location we have not explored and/or learned about yet.

There is more I can say but I need to wait until 6.1 and beyond to be certain since that is the intro to Season 2 Storyline and the moment when SE will set the stage for Season 2 storyline.

My issue with a new job connected to hunting Blasphemies (though the idea on its own is cool) is that it ties the job to MSQ progression, which they haven't done since HW- and the new jobs unlock 20 levels below the expansion that they introduced in, thus the job quests for said job have to be, at least at the start, something that works with the lore and zones of previous expansion. (For instance, SAM not going to Kugane until post 60 because hypothetically the WoL hasn't gone there yet, or how various jobs like RDM will have different lines depending on if Ala Mhigo is liberated or not.).

However, I do like how the Blasphemies and Dynamis have re-contextualized what the DNC do and the Kriegstanz.

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Originally Posted by Denishia

My issue with a new job connected to hunting Blasphemies (though the idea on its own is cool) is that it ties the job to MSQ progression, which they haven't done since HW- and the new jobs unlock 20 levels below the expansion that they introduced in, thus the job quests for said job have to be, at least at the start, something that works with the lore and zones of previous expansion. (For instance, SAM not going to Kugane until post 60 because hypothetically the WoL hasn't gone there yet, or how various jobs like RDM will have different lines depending on if Ala Mhigo is liberated or not.).

However, I do like how the Blasphemies and Dynamis have re-contextualized what the DNC do and the Kriegstanz.

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Well we are fortunate that they established lore about people researching Dynamis in current time in Endwalker. This does lead into concerns that there could be people who always been aware about people's ability to turn into Blasphemies but was much hard before the Final Days to happen.

Not to mention, as you said, this also goes back to Dancer Job story so we have some kind of lore that shows Blasphemies were still a issue before the Final Days but so few that hardly any knows they existed except for Dancer Job people.

This also means that there could be other jobs that have dealt with the early Blasphemies before they became more common due to events of the Final Days.

Demon hunter Job may provide such lore if SE ever consider it since if that is a job for a new location for Season 2 we don't know about yet, that region may have a different name for Blasphemies being Demons thus the name Demon Hunter being given to this Job. This type of Job may end up also explore the darker side of research into Dynamis with its Job story quests.


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Beyond a introduction to a Job related to hunting down Blasphemies, SE may explore into Dynamis research as well. We know very little about how the progress of Dynamis research is. Endwalker only introduced to us that there are people in the world researching Dynamis despite being few in numbers due to lack of proof Dynamis exists. However, the Final Days may have skyrocketed support for these people and their Dynamis research.

Not to mention the potential light and dark side of Dynamis research and what they may have discovered through their different paths of research into Dynamis.

As Dancer job quests shown, there were some signs of Dynamis creating some kind of minor Blasphemies before the Final Days. It will be no surprise if a Dynamis researcher went into a dark path involving understanding the creation of Blasphemies before the events of the Final Days due to what his or her research lead him or her to.

Well, to properly gauge how the world was hit by the Final Days, we have to hit the third of three places hit hardest by it: Corvos. I'd wager that if the Blasphemies are going to remain relevant for some amount of the future, it'll be in whatever content Corvos is. Maybe the relic zone.

Bigging the Blasphemies up much beyond that would probably not work, because that's already a problem solved in the long-term, which means that eventually it will be solved in the immediate term too. So you can make some smaller content out of 'cleanup duty' and what that means for the people affected by it--a similar position to Zadnor, where there's still a lot to do even if the flow has been severed.

I will be very surprised if Corvos isn't either the Bojza equivalent or like Werlyt a new zone for the Trial series. When it was namedropped in the 80 MSQ (and introduced in the first Reaper job quest) I was half-expecting it to be one of the new hidden zones.

I'm pretty sure the "people can still be turned into blasphemies" bit is a Doylist answer for why the Role Quests are still a thing after the completion of the MSQ. I'm not expecting them to have any presence in the future.

Between all the hints Emet-Selch gave us in Ultima Thule, I'm honestly not sure where things are going to go from here. That said the only hint with any weight I can think of is Montichaigne's lecture on the memory erasure of the Seventh Umbral Calamity's aftermath, and that Lorens (the erstwhile commander of the Company of Heroes) promises to meet you again after the Melee DPS role quest, but comments he might not / probably won't remember you due to his flighty personality. That and Corvos is mentioned a lot, so.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

I'm pretty sure the "people can still be turned into blasphemies" bit is a Doylist answer for why the Role Quests are still a thing after the completion of the MSQ. I'm not expecting them to have any presence in the future.

Between all the hints Emet-Selch gave us in Ultima Thule, I'm honestly not sure where things are going to go from here. That said the only hint with any weight I can think of is Montichaigne's lecture on the memory erasure of the Seventh Umbral Calamity's aftermath, and that Lorens (the erstwhile commander of the Company of Heroes) promises to meet you again after the Melee DPS role quest, but comments he might not / probably won't remember you due to his flighty personality. That and Corvos is mentioned a lot, so.

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That will only be the case if some how all countries manage to deal with the Blasphemies on their own and regions we have not been to has no Blasphemies appear in the Final Days.

However, as the MSQ for endwalker established, Blasphemies will continue to be a threat on the planet from now on but should be not as frequent since the Final Days has been averted. The risk is still there but not as great compared to the Final Days.

Regions that do not have contact with Eorzea and/or any regions that do have contact with Eorzea will also lack critical information about how to handle Blasphemies and prevent the spread of people turning into Blasphemies.

Eorzea and the regions that make contact with Eorzea will no doubt deal with all Blasphemies issues easily thanks to the information provided by WoL and the Scions along with having a united effort against Blasphemies but the other regions we have not been to are most likely not so prepared to fight Blasphemies.

Story wise,one possibility is that Blasphemies become diverted to more side content focus while Season 2 Main Story focus on the new Antagonist. However, we can't ignore the possibility of Blasphemies playing a role again in the Main Storyline for Season 2 since we are very much in the dark to where Season 2 may go story wise for the antagonist.

I said it in my past comment in other post but one theory I have with Season 2 storyline is that they may go down the Warrior of Despair path which is a very young concept SE introduced into the FF series with their game Final Fantasy Mobius which is sadly shutdown now.

The other is that Season 2 may involve something that Azem was dealing with but could not defeat in Ancient times so he/she made preparations for WoL to defeat this old threat due to how part of the focus for going to these new locations for Season 2 is about continuing Azem's job of being a adventurer. Not to mention the possibility Season 2 may focus on who Azem was.

Given Corvos' status as an imperial province, I feel like it probably suffered even moreso then Thavnair from the Final Days and we'll likely have to end up dealing with the aftermath in the relic questline.

Hoary Boulder and Coultenot already mentioned that they were going to check in on the region, so I'd be surprised if we don't eventually get word from them, given that all of the other Scions are out and about in places we can visit presently.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Hoary Boulder and Coultenot already mentioned that they were going to check in on the region, so I'd be surprised if we don't eventually get word from them, given that all of the other Scions are out and about in places we can visit presently.

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Riol said he was going to Meracydia or the New World, and while I've not found all of the Scions in the overworld, he's one I'm doubtful is still around.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

Riol said he was going to Meracydia or the New World, and while I've not found all of the Scions in the overworld, he's one I'm doubtful is still around.

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In my opinion, we probably may not see the Scion's return until 7.X MSQ just so they can focus on WoL starting out his/her new adventure as a adventurer once again, introduce the new companions that will be with WoL in Season 2 storyline along side the Scions, get a introduction to the new regions and civilizations in the New World, and provide a introduction to the Season 2 antagonist.

It may also provide reasonable room for the Scions to do their own thing first then have the reunion in 7.X and maybe have some of them complain that the WoL did not attempt to take time to call on them when he/she got involved in another save the world adventure during 7.0.

While WoL is well known in Eorzea and lands that make contact with Eorzea, he/she may not be well known in places such as the New World so it will be no surprise if Civilizations in the New World and other unknown continents are completely unaware about events of Season 1 and who WoL is. For them the Final Days maybe some unknown events which does set up possible reason to introduce maybe one or two of WoL's new companions during 6.1 to 6.55 since this person or these people may travel to Eorzea to learn about what caused people to turn into Blasphemies due to having little information about events that happened in Eorzea and the countries that do make contact with Eorzea.

Yeah, probably new season will be seeing the WoL traveling to far away lands to avoid their fame chain them down again and be able to start as an anonymous adventurer once more. Following that pattern either the New World or Meracydia are good places to go, on closer places the WoL be too famous

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Originally Posted by Denishia

However, I do like how the Blasphemies and Dynamis have re-contextualized what the DNC do and the Kriegstanz.

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I don't know if this got built on in a role quest I haven't done yet, but there's a blink-and-you'll-miss-it shot during MSQ of X'rhun Tia and Nashmeira walking together in Ala Mhigo and I was all excited when I spotted them. Two people affiliated with the Scions (regardless of meeting the WoL or not), one of whom is an expert on the phenomenon of despair manifesting as monsters... and nothing came of it in the main story.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

However, as the MSQ for endwalker established, Blasphemies will continue to be a threat on the planet from now on but should be not as frequent since the Final Days has been averted. The risk is still there but not as great compared to the Final Days.

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I think it's an overreach to say that the MSQ has established that blasphemies will continue to be an issue. The ones in the role quests (having been intended to be dealt with mid-MSQ but needing a justification to exist beyond it) may just be a temporary lingering effect afterwards.

Hunting blasphemies may be a necessary occupation for some while, if they continue to spawn, but I don't see any reason or specific base to build a playable job around the concept. Between their restriction to a specific period of MSQ - certainly a specific starting point even if you want to debate whether it has ended - and the fact that we are dealing with them perfectly well with our current jobs, it is not something that requires a specific weapon or fighting style.

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Originally Posted by Teah_Kaye

I also think we'll go to Corvos, and the mention of the Carteneau mindwipe in combination with the introduction of a memory-wiping device seems really suspicious. I kind of think Kairos somehow survived the Sundering and is now being used by some individual or group for whatever nefarious purposes.

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I don't interpret the mention of the memory loss at Carteneau as tying into any of the new plot elements, beyond that it's a convenient practical example of the phenomenon of memory loss through aether exposure while neatly resolving a previous plot hole.

With the prior explanation of the memory loss being a vague explanation of "something to do with Louisoix casting a spell to send the Warrior of Light into the future", that only made sense for legacy players who actually were at Carteneau to be sent. For players whose journey started with A Realm Reborn, it raised awkward questions of whether the earlier game they hadn't played is also supposed to be canon for them.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I think it's an overreach to say that the MSQ has established that blasphemies will continue to be an issue. The ones in the role quests (having been intended to be dealt with mid-MSQ but needing a justification to exist beyond it) may just be a temporary lingering effect afterwards.

Hunting blasphemies may be a necessary occupation for some while, if they continue to spawn, but I don't see any reason or specific base to build a playable job around the concept. Between their restriction to a specific period of MSQ - certainly a specific starting point even if you want to debate whether it has ended - and the fact that we are dealing with them perfectly well with our current jobs, it is not something that requires a specific weapon or fighting style.

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It is mostly speculation to begin with.

This speculation is focused more on the unknown regions anyways which we know very little about plus the combination of knowing that there are people researching into Dynamis in small numbers. Also, I am not talk about Blasphemies being a major issue but a small issue threat since there should be no question that all civilizations may have a blasphemies problem during the final days. That moment in the MSQ I am talking about even said while Blasphemies will continue to exists they should not be a major issue now after events of 6.0 MSQ. However, this comment is more towards Eorzea and locations that make contact with Eorzea due to the knowledge they know about the events of the Final Days so they are more prepared and organized to deal with it. We don't know how the regions in Season 2 may have handled the appearance of Blasphemies during the Final Days nor if the Final Days was the only source of Blasphemies.


If Dancer Job story is a indication Blasphemies have existed for a long time before the Final Days but small in numbers this could mean in one of the unknown regions there could be a Job organization that have dedicated themselves with hunting Blasphemies before they became well known by the time of the Final Days due to having more issues involving Dynamis that we are unaware about. This could also be a negative effect of someone researching into Dynamis before the events of the Final Days or something else.


6.0 was more of a introduction to Dynamis, what effects it has, and that there are people researching it for a long time. How long and what they have discovered is still in the unknown. If there is a civilization in the unknown regions we head to in Season 2 that have a better understanding of Dynamis, there could be high risk that there has always been someone or something that knows how to turn people into Blasphemies before events of the Final Days beyond just Meteion as well. The obvious reason we may never have heard about it is due to how little contact this unknown region has with Eorzea and the countries that make contact with Eorzea so lacking information between regions is common with such low amount of contact.

As Emet said before he left, there is much about the world we don't know about and our knowledge has been greatly limited to only what Eorzea and the countries that make contact with Eorzea knows. We can't be certain quite yet if the whole Blasphemies issue is over for good nor if it may continue until we get a understanding into where Season 2 maybe heading. We can only guess at this point.

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I know a lot of people are expecting the whole Dynamis and Blasphemies to be a over as a one and done thing for 6.0 and Season 2 focus on something completely unknown to everyone but in my opinion the effects of the Final Days aftermath and revealing of Dynamis research happening for a very long time is not something that can be just wiped off and ignore so easily. Not to mention if the Dancer Job has always dealt with early Blasphemies that means Blasphemies always existed before the Final Days but possibly in smaller numbers due to how difficult it was for someone or something to create or turn into Blasphemies. We also know very little about what Dynamis research involved as they did intentionally ignore this side about the topic since 6.0 focus was more about introducing Dynamis.