Roulettes hardly give any exp?

I find they're only worth running for tomes now. Am I taking crazy pills or are they just absolutely not worthwhile anymore for the 80-90 stretch? I get so much more from fate or zadnor. I know 81 dungeons got buffed but the aforementioned is still significantly faster.

It seems like only frontline and Praetorium are filling the bar. And prae is a 50/50 chance anyway.

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zadnor zone 3 till 90

Yeah, XP has been nerfed a lot. Only Main Scenario gives XP.

DR pvp gives half lvl ~

leveling gives around 33% now , MSQ gives tons of exp too

EW dungeons are half a level after last patch

Don't do Roulette beyond your daily one if you're going for XP.

Try just spamming the highest level dungeon you can do.

or.....bore yourself to death in Zadnor Zone 3 like everyone to else.

Personally, i'd rather stick my nethers in a rat trap than step into Bozja ever again.

DR bonuses give big chunks as always. Dungeon spam outside of that not much.

na they give a decent amount if you are getting the bonus+1st daily run

Frontline (queue with class you want to level, change to class you want to use when get in), MSQ, Leveling and Trial roulette offer good exp.



Outside of daily bonuses, if you do lv81-89 dungeons, you will likely do 3 runs to gain a level.


Also pixie quests which give you 990k exp, which ranges from 1/5 exp bar to 1/10 exp bar depend on how high your level. There are also hunt quests which help if you want extra exp once you unlock flying.



If you just want to rush to max level, go Zadnor. Someone said it takes 6 hours in Zadnor to level up a class to 90.

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

Frontline (queue with class you want to level, change to class you want to use when get in),

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With Frontline, do you need to switch back to the job you want XP on before a winner is declared/time runs out....or will the original job automatically get the XP?

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

With Frontline, do you need to switch back to the job you want XP on before a winner is declared/time runs out....or will the original job automatically get the XP?

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You get exp on whatever you queue as.

I leveled my MNK from 80 to 89 in 3 days just from roulettes and daily Hunts, so they still give quite a lot. I averaged 3 levels a day, it's not nothing.

I run :
MSQ (fish for Praet, leave Castrum)
Leveling
Frontline
Alliance

And do Hunt bills while I'm queuing.

Also, I noticed roulettes gives less XP at lvl80 and get a big boost to xp reward once you are 81, so you might want to skip that level for roulettes.

WHM 80->90 in one day, no challenge log bonuses.

Did dungeons until 88. For some reason Praetorium gave me 90% of a level.

It's done this three times now on three different Jobs--seems to depend on being 88 or 89.

Then I got 89 in a trial and most of the way to 90 doing leveling dungeons and then Alliance roulette.

Was hoping to have more of a discussion about the lack of exp given by roulettes now, shouldnt it be concerning? I understand /how/ to level 81-90 efficiently. My shock is that it's so underwhelming they're not worth running, which from what I understood I thought roulettes were the lifeblood of DF, keeping content alive and filled for new players.

I've noticed the same. Did two leveling roulettes on a 0 xp level 80, and despite getting Dohn Mheg (73) and Malikah's Well (77) which should give decent xp in their own right, I only ended up 66% into the level.

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Originally Posted by Momo_Kozuki

Frontline (queue with class you want to level, change to class you want to use when get in), MSQ, Leveling and Trial roulette offer good exp.



Outside of daily bonuses, if you do lv81-89 dungeons, you will likely do 3 runs to gain a level.


Also pixie quests which give you 990k exp, which ranges from 1/5 exp bar to 1/10 exp bar depend on how high your level. There are also hunt quests which help if you want extra exp once you unlock flying.



If you just want to rush to max level, go Zadnor. Someone said it takes 6 hours in Zadnor to level up a class to 90.

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Wait six hours 80-90 or 1-90?

And how does that Frontline trick work? I've been getting through daily WAR sessions but would prefer to do it with...anyone else.

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Originally Posted by HappyHubris

Wait six hours 80-90 or 1-90?

And how does that Frontline trick work? I've been getting through daily WAR sessions but would prefer to do it with...anyone else.

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u cant enter zadnor until 71 ...

I made a post about this as well. It's way less than we used to have. I'm not sure if it's by design or an oversight. I personally only bother with running them if I need tomes nowadays. Don't find it worthwhile to run them for leveling.

Mr. Happy put a video out of this like less than a day ago. They were buffed with 6.01, i think they are fine. Ya'll are wanting too much for too little work.

Starting with basically no exp at 89 MCH yesterday, I did one Alliance roulette, and one leveling roulette, and got my entire level. Compared to what I got on Wednesday for doing it at 82~83, it's way more exp at the far end of the 80s for some reason.

On topic, regular Endwalker dungeons have definitely been buffed. It was taking me two days to get a Job to 90 by dungeon bashing before the patch, and now it takes me one day.

All of them give good amount, but certain dungeons do nerf it a bit if you're unlucky.

Guildhests are still worthless.

Are you comparing the rewards to what you got at 79 and below?
Quite a few sources of pre-level 80 XP got doubled with the release of Endwalker.

not sure have it been buff or nerf, but at EW launch the exp does seem to be lower.
Especially obvious in MSQ, running Praetorium give me roughly only 40% on level 80
Trial, 50/60/70/80 Dungeon and Normal raid give about similar amount of doing 3 ShB Beast tribe

but EW dungeon seem to give more EXP, about 5 runs in each leveling dungeon will get me to next leveling dungeon without any rest bonus

If you guys think Zadnor zone 3 is fast you should try Bozjan.

Zadnor has way too much downtime between fates.

I'm leveling stuff at a reasonable pace using the daily roulettes ... I think they've adjusted post 80 leveling not to be as fast.

I've gotten 2 jobs to 90, one to 89 and am on a 4th progressing nicely.


I'm just of the opinion that rewarding DF spamming is probably not a priority.

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Originally Posted by Dreamsoap

Was hoping to have more of a discussion about the lack of exp given by roulettes now, shouldnt it be concerning? I understand /how/ to level 81-90 efficiently. My shock is that it's so underwhelming they're not worth running, which from what I understood I thought roulettes were the lifeblood of DF, keeping content alive and filled for new players.

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Once you make DR one of the primarily efficient methods, you'll get people getting mad at sprouts for not running them efficiently (which already happens to a degree). I think restricting it to one run per person per day for "optimal" xp it'll keep it less of an elitist minefield.

Just from your question of is it "worth" it I'm thinking you probably lean towards optimal grinding.. which isn't something I'd encourage attaching to dungeon runs or reinforcing as a driving force. There's plenty of people to draw from to keep old dungeons popping even if they only do it once a day, it isn't going to kill old content if people aren't constantly spamming stuff over and over.

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Originally Posted by Michieltjuhh

I've noticed the same. Did two leveling roulettes on a 0 xp level 80, and despite getting Dohn Mheg (73) and Malikah's Well (77) which should give decent xp in their own right, I only ended up 66% into the level.

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The XP reward for roulettes gets a significant bump in value at lvl81, while lvl80 sucks. A Praet MSQ roulette gives about 50% of a level at lvl80 while at 81 it's more like 70%.

I do lvl 81-89 dungeons and throw roulettes inbetween the dungeons lvls for change of pace to help get towards next dungeon level. It pretty fast lvling from 81-90 to be honest just on the high dungeons. The other way I do it is bozja on the inbetween dungeon levels. It takes 3 dungeons if your at the level of the dungeon

Well i do trust so i can also lvl up the scion along, i need to do stuff solo to get loot without competing with other player anyway

I just do leveling, trials, alliance raids and frontline roulettes, the other ones are an absolute joke and have been for a long while.
There's absolutely no point in running, say, normal raids (less exp than a FATE? hello?) or 50/60/70/80 dungeons.

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Originally Posted by RocciaSolida

I just do leveling, trials, alliance raids and frontline roulettes, the other ones are an absolute joke and have been for a long while.
There's absolutely no point in running, say, normal raids (less exp than a FATE? hello?) or 50/60/70/80 dungeons.

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I'd argue that even trial is not worth it.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

I'd argue that even trial is not worth it.

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Honestly same but it really depends on which trial you get, some are super quick like the hydra but others are a slog and you risk wiping to them

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Originally Posted by TristanX

Yeah, XP has been nerfed a lot. Only Main Scenario gives XP.

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Main scenario isn't even a full level. For 40-50 minute long runs (prae is basically all you will ever get), that's absolutely not worth the time investment. Exp sources across the board need to be severely buffed, fates, dungeons, roulettes. It all needs to not feel borderline useless and make you feel tempted to buy job boosts to level up your alts. I can't stand leveling a dps alt job and just boosted them all. There's basically zero efficient way to level up a dps right now and it was the same in ShB's. Nothing gives any substantial source of exp. You feel like you're wasting your time and getting nowhere. Leveling a dps alt after the MSQ is like playing one of those old grindy mmos. Exp sources need to be majorly buffed across the board unless the intention is to incentivize buying job skips in which case this is working as intended.

And for people saying "just unlock Bozja"

1. You need to be lvl 80 to even open it up
2. It's an OBSENELY long grind through some of the absolute worst story content in the game (Ivalice raids), then you have to unlock the full map piece by piece along with max mount speed, or you won't be able to do all the fates let along keep up with everyone else who's got full mount speed.

I feel like a lot of people did Bozja when it was new and forgot what an obnoxious grind it was to get to the point where you could effecively level alts through it, so they recommend newer players not mentioning any of that leading to frustration. For a new player, it's not even worth it if you're sole interest is using it to level alts. The time you spend unlocking the full map + max riding speed you could have leveled your alts through fate farms (as painful as they can be), daily roulettes, etc. But just saying "Do bozja" is poor advice to a new player. It's great if you're already unlocked all of it. Worthless if you haven't even started it because the pre-requisites and subsequent grind is just too long for anyone who just wants to level alts faster.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Main scenario isn't even a full level. For 40-50 minute long runs (prae is basically all you will ever get), that's absolutely not worth the time investment. Exp sources across the board need to be severely buffed, fates, dungeons, roulettes. It all needs to not feel borderline useless and make you feel tempted to buy job boosts to level up your alts. I can't stand leveling a dps alt job and just boosted them all. There's basically zero efficient way to level up a dps right now and it was the same in ShB's. Nothing gives any substantial source of exp. You feel like you're wasting your time and getting nowhere. Leveling a dps alt after the MSQ is like playing one of those old grindy mmos. Exp sources need to be majorly buffed across the board unless the intention is to incentivize buying job skips in which case this is working as intended.

And for people saying "just unlock Bozja"

1. You need to be lvl 80 to even open it up
2. It's an OBSENELY long grind through some of the absolute worst story content in the game (Ivalice raids), then you have to unlock the full map piece by piece along with max mount speed, or you won't be able to do all the fates let along keep up with everyone else who's got full mount speed.

I feel like a lot of people did Bozja when it was new and forgot what an obnoxious grind it was to get to the point where you could effecively level alts through it, so they recommend newer players not mentioning any of that leading to frustration. For a new player, it's not even worth it if you're sole interest is using it to level alts. The time you spend unlocking the full map + max riding speed you could have leveled your alts through fate farms (as painful as they can be), daily roulettes, etc. But just saying "Do bozja" is poor advice to a new player. It's great if you're already unlocked all of it. Worthless if you haven't even started it because the pre-requisites and subsequent grind is just too long for anyone who just wants to level alts faster.

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I did all of Ivalice and Bozja when it was fresh, and I didn't even bother with it for leveling my alt classes. So not only is it a chore to unlock, but it's unnecessary as well.

Queue for your latests leveling dungeon (level X1-X9) and do FATEs while you wait. That's by all means fast enough.

Three nights straight I have gotten 90% of a level in Praetorium running it at 88 and 89.

I got 100% of a level last night, 89->90, doing Alliance Roulette and Leveling Roulette. Apparently they scale with your level now, as the amounts aren't nearly this crazy in the early 80s.

Prae is very much a whole level.
But if get castrum, well....

Also Frontline gives around 1/2