Waist items gone, where's the gil I spent on them?

I just finally noticed that my very expensive waist items, are GONE. Hundreds of thousands of gil just vanished, and yet.. I get no compensation for the removal of a highly expensive piece of equipment? Not just one, but across all my characters and classes? I've a lvl 80 character that had all exarch gear, and the waist pieces are gone. That's a LOT of gil for SE to just vanish at some whim of theirs.

So.. are we to get any compensation for these things, or are we simply ripped off of hard earned equipment and gil for same? because frankly, if that's SE's intent, I'll go find another game to play. I'm not ok with my time and effort being ripped off w/o some compensation for it.

*edit* Sorry folks, my bad. I've already stated further in the thread that this lack of knowledge was my mistake, and why I reacted so, well, abysmally for the first few of my posts in this thread. My apologies, and I hope those reading this will read further (around page 4ish and up). Thanks for understanding (if you read further as suggested).

~Elain

The calamity salvager has them.

Yep calamity guy has them plus this was announced months ago

We've known belts were going away since what, March?

You had plenty of warning to not buy expensive belts.

This was announced months before Endwalker launched. You can get the items from an NPC (I think the Calamity Scavenger) and you can still desynth them, turn them in for GC seals, etc. Keep in mind that anything from ShB would be combat obsolete now anyway, and all numbers are rebalanced so that you don't need belts anymore to be at the expected ilevel for older content.

huh. I'll go check. But would have been nice if they had sent a mail out saying as much instead of me having to come here and scream about it. Thanks.

I literally only just found out TODAY. I don't follow theforums and in fact ONLY created a forum account to ask about it, I don't do reddit where apparently everyone else hangs out. I generally, just game.

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The calamity salvager has them.

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You know that's not going to be good enough for the OP. They spent the time and money on items that are no longer usable and they DEMAND compensation, despite being told for a year that belts would go away for Endwalker.

Really? So I guess the fact that I have NEVER been on these forums until today, means I was told about it. Sorry, I don't follow every twist and turn of a game. I play it. I don't sniff developers asses.

Told by who? announcement in game? BIG notice onthe launcher? Unlike you, I don't spend my days onthe forums. I spend my gaming time, *gasps* gaming*. Would have been nice to have an ingame mail about it.

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Really? So I guess the fact that I have NEVER been on these forums until today, means I was told about it. Sorry, I don't follow every twist and turn of a game. I play it. I don't sniff developers asses.

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It was announced at FanFest, discussed in Producer Live Letters, posted on the Lodestone, and news linked in the Launcher. They gave plenty of warning through official media outside of the forums.

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Told by who? announcement in game? BIG notice onthe launcher? Unlike you, I don't spend my days onthe forums. I spend my gaming time, *gasps* gaming*. Would have been nice to have an ingame mail about it.

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You know what, so do I. I spend time at work when its slow on the forums, or when I'm eating, or when I'm not playing the game, reading, or playing other games.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...50eb802bef5ff0

This was on the launcher 3 months ago.

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It was announced at FanFest, discussed in Producer Live Letters, posted on the Lodestone, and news linked in the Launcher. They gave plenty of warning through official media outside of the forums.

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She seems like she just wants every news told in-game
and cannot be asked to look through other means lol.

Pretty sure that not only was this on the launcher, but was one of the major news banners on the launcher making it even harder to miss.

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Told by who? announcement in game? BIG notice onthe launcher? Unlike you, I don't spend my days onthe forums. I spend my gaming time, *gasps* gaming*. Would have been nice to have an ingame mail about it.

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Every once in a while they have a live letter that is streamed live where they tell people what changes are coming. Mostly in Japanese but sometime with translation. There is usually a translation on reddit soon after, and an english summary on the lodestone. Many youtubers also go over it. I recommend following the official FFXIV social media accounts. (facebook, twitter, YouTube) as well as FFXIV content creators.

Reading patchnotes is really hard...

But hey...WHERE ARE ALL MY DAMAGE NUMBERS?!!! WHERE IS MY ELEMENTAL RESISTANCE MATERIA?!!! WHY CAN'T I SPEND STATPOINTS ANYMORE?!!! WHERE IS MY PROTEC?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111eleven

Is this a troll? Can't even tell anymore.

Your obnoxious tone aside, this was stated months ago in updates on the Lodestone... you know, those links to which are on the game launcher? Don't be snide to others pointing this out because you couldn't be bothered to read.

never saw it in the launcher, and I don't do that other stuff you mentioned. I don't watch fanfest, or go to fanfests, I don't do producer live letters, I didn't have a forum account till today, and haven't even read the forums or anything on them until today. So no, I was NOT aware of it. I've never seen it in loadstone (prolly missed it as I was likely looking for other things and not looking for 'news'). And frankly, I launch the launcher, and start the game, because that's all I AM interested in doing. Not spending time reading blah bl;ah banned x rmt blah blah etc. Because that is literally the ONLY garbage I see in that section. So, sorry I wasn't up to date because I play a game instead of read about it.

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never saw it in the launcher, and I don't do that other stuff you mentioned. I don't watch fanfest, or go to fanfests, I don't do producer live letters, I didn't have a forum account till today, and haven't even read the forums or anything on them until today. So no, I was NOT aware of it. I've never seen it in loadstone (prolly missed it as I was likely looking for other things and not looking for 'news'). And frankly, I launch the launcher, and start the game, because that's all I AM interested in doing. Not spending time reading blah bl;ah banned x rmt blah blah etc. Because that is literally the ONLY garbage I see in that section. So, sorry I wasn't up to date because I play a game instead of read about it.

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Then don't whine because you can't be bothered to occasionally look at posts on the official game website. Good grief, some people...

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Told by who? announcement in game? BIG notice onthe launcher? Unlike you, I don't spend my days onthe forums. I spend my gaming time, *gasps* gaming*. Would have been nice to have an ingame mail about it.

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Well, yes. They had the patch notes on the launcher before 6.0 launched.

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Told by who? announcement in game? BIG notice onthe launcher? Unlike you, I don't spend my days onthe forums. I spend my gaming time, *gasps* gaming*. Would have been nice to have an ingame mail about it.

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Among other things, the "NEWS" links in the launcher where they put in various notices about upcoming planned changes; they announced it several times, including here back in September. Also in the Digital Fanfest and the Live Letter from the Producer streams, but those are things you sort of need to go seek out; in contrast the news links are right in the launcher every time you start the game.

(And, of course, they posted the full patch notes for Endwalker in the same news links -- AND with a big banner in the launcher, too.)

I grant there's a lot of those news links and it's easy to overlook things in them because some of them are just "there's going to be maintenance at this time, don't schedule a Ceremony of Eternal Bonding during it" or "We've banned <X> number of gil-seller bots this week", but they do make changes -- sometimes sweeping ones -- in expansion releases, so especially in the months leading up to an expansion it's worth checking the news links periodically. If the launcher link interface feels too cluttered to you, you can always hit up the Lodestone and look at the various news links there to see the same articles they post in the launcher NEWS links.

If it's any consolation, as others have noted, Exarchic belts would be sort of useless now *anyway* post-Endwalker even if they hadn't gotten rid of belts entirely, since they're only i510 gear, and you can get better gear almost immediately upon starting Endwalker. So your options with the old belts upon starting Endwalker would be to sell them to an NPC, desynth them for materials, or turn them in to your Grand Company for company seals. Luckily, all those options do still exist even now; just fetch the belts back from the Calamity Salvager and you can sell them to an NPC for gil, desynth them for materials, or turn them in to your Grand Company for company seals.

Yes, I was upset. Still am frankly. Desynthing a 100k belt, isn't really compensation, and i've had those belts for a fairly long time. As for my 'obnoxious tone', not everyone plays a game to 'read all about it' many, if not most people, play a game, to you know, play the game, the only thing they are interested in, is if they can log in and get some game time. That's what I do. I launch the launcher, put my username and password in, hit login, and play, in that order. I don't read every little blurb in the launcher because all I ever see is blah blah rmt accounts banned, or congestion apologies. I never saw any notice (because I generally don't look there, as my intent is to get into the game). Perhaps it was in the launcher news. I never saw it because I never looked. I log in to play, not read a bunch of article spam. Was I annoyed? YES, and my 'tone' (btw thanks for tone policing) def reflected my annoyance. But, now I know. And now I know the gil I spent was utterly wasted for no real reason as far as I can see.

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As for my 'obnoxious tone', not everyone plays a game to 'read all about it' many, if not most people, play a game, to you know, play the game, the only thing they are interested in, is if they can log in and get some game time. That's what I do. I launch the launcher, put my username and password in, hit login, and play, in that order. I don't read every little blurb in the launcher because all I ever see is blah blah rmt accounts banned, or congestion apologies. I never saw any notice (because I generally don't look there, as my intent is to get into the game). Perhaps it was in the launcher news. I never saw it because I never looked. I log in to play, not read a bunch of article spam.

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In summary: person who actively avoids reading news now blaming everyone but themself for not seeing the news.

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Perhaps it was in the launcher news. I never saw it because I never looked. I log in to play, not read a bunch of article spam. Was I annoyed? YES, and my 'tone' (btw thanks for tone policing) def reflected my annoyance. But, now I know. And now I know the gil I spent was utterly wasted for no real reason as far as I can see.

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Yes, waist items were pointless, they were invisible on your character, a waste of inventory space, and they reassigned the 35 slots to weapons if you haven't noticed.

However are you expecting them to tell you if you can't be bothered to read.

This is...idk...on another level.

Your. Belts. Would. Be. Worthless. Anyways. With. The. New. Addon. Cause. Even. The. Gear. From. The. First. Dungeon. Is. As. Good. As. The. Best. Crafted. Belts. From. The. Last. Expansion.

Your belts are worthless either way, the statpoints you had on your belts were added onto your other gear so you didn't lost anything, lol.

I don't get it. As you said yourself, you had used these belt for a "fairly long time". So why do you want a compensation when you already got your moneys worth from them? Not even talking about how all your precious belts would be useless at around what? Level 85? Would you then also demand a compensation because you spent so much Gil on them? And I don't understand how you can be so dense and think that "Oh, I don't inform myself about this game, I just play it" is a viable excuse for anything?

Calling relevant, important info for the game "article spam?" Are you for real, OP? Well, I'm out, have fun complaining about self-inflicted issues, I guess.

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never saw it in the launcher, and I don't do that other stuff you mentioned. I don't watch fanfest, or go to fanfests, I don't do producer live letters, I didn't have a forum account till today, and haven't even read the forums or anything on them until today. So no, I was NOT aware of it. I've never seen it in loadstone (prolly missed it as I was likely looking for other things and not looking for 'news'). And frankly, I launch the launcher, and start the game, because that's all I AM interested in doing. Not spending time reading blah bl;ah banned x rmt blah blah etc. Because that is literally the ONLY garbage I see in that section. So, sorry I wasn't up to date because I play a game instead of read about it.

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I mean, if you quite purposefully cut yourself off from every single method of communication the devs have to let players know about important developments, then you can’t really complain about those developments happening without you knowing about it.

They’re not going to fly the entire patch notes in a neon banner across your screen (quite frankly they do more than enough banner-flying as it is). It’s up to you to keep yourself informed.

Well, now I know why they went over this change on literally every live letter for the past year.

So tell me, how many players do you think have a forum account vs how many players are in game? My experience is that those on the forums, are about 1/10th (or less) of the actual game population. I don't pay attention to fanfest stuff, because I don't have the bandwidth to stream that kind of stuff. I can't even play youtube videos on their lowest settings. I never saw anything in loadstone, because the only time I ever go in that direction, is to log into the mog station to buy clothes or mounts etc. I never noticed anything on the launcher, and admittedly, that is likely my fault for not looking, but after seeing nothing for months on end except the latest rmt accounts getting banned, one tends to stop looking. So say what you will, but in my experience, most gamers never follow the games news that much. I'll make sure in the future, that I will so I won't be caught off guard with future changes. I'm still annoyed. But, my fault I guess for not having my nose out sniffing up the changes. Nuff said. I won't make the same mistake inthe future.

awww 'cmon, why not? A neon banner def woulda grabbed my attention (i'm being humorous here, not snarky).

Depreciating asset anyway

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never saw it in the launcher, and I don't do that other stuff you mentioned. I don't watch fanfest, or go to fanfests, I don't do producer live letters, I didn't have a forum account till today, and haven't even read the forums or anything on them until today. So no, I was NOT aware of it. I've never seen it in loadstone (prolly missed it as I was likely looking for other things and not looking for 'news'). And frankly, I launch the launcher, and start the game, because that's all I AM interested in doing. Not spending time reading blah bl;ah banned x rmt blah blah etc. Because that is literally the ONLY garbage I see in that section. So, sorry I wasn't up to date because I play a game instead of read about it.

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So you're wilfully ignorant and complaining that you don't know stuff.

Who plays this game and doesn't follow fanfest?

Even if you were justified in being this ignorant, this is a non issue. All of your "expendive belts" would have becone redundant with the release of Endwalker anyway, just like all other gear.

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I don't.

But I still check the important news postings and lodestone articles, actually read patch notes, etc.

OP just wants to whine. If they can't be bothered to read notices as posted, then there's literally no way devs could've appeased. They'd be dismissing in-game notices all the same because "blah blah spam let me play."

It's an actively running MMO. Things change. Either keep yourself informed or be ready for surprises.

I don't follow fanfest because I don't have the bandwidth to stream things like that. My ping to the game servers is usually in excess of 300 m/s, I can barely play the game, and in dungeons, I die frequently because aoe's etc hit me, before I even see them. As I said before, my internet is so bad I can't even stream a video off YouTube at it's lowest settings. Don't say "get better internet"", there is none available where I live that is affordable on a small fixed income. Sure I could spend $200 a month for satellite, and possibly get better speeds, but that is literally 1/4 of my monthly income, and is not affordable. I will also mention, that my address, isn't an address. It's a po box, and I live in the mountains on undeveloped property of a family member in an rv that is 30+ years old. Wanna know how long it took to load this page? More than 8 seconds. I.E. Slow, so I generally don't spend time reading things. Admittedly, my lack of knowledge is my fault, but there are extenuating circumstances, and reasons why I rarely stay up-0 to date on the latest breaking news. Wanna know how long it took me to download Endwalker? 11 days. Think that through. Have a nice day.

yes, I just finished downloading endwalker.

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I don't.

But I still check the important news postings and lodestone articles, actually read patch notes, etc.

OP just wants to whine. If they can't be bothered to read notices as posted, then there's literally no way devs could've appeased. They'd be dismissing in-game notices all the same because "blah blah spam let me play."

It's an actively running MMO. Things change. Either keep yourself informed or be ready for surprises.

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I knew about the change months before it happened. I have a friend who's main gig in the game is crafting and honest right up until a week before patch he was insisting on making new belts for me because I had out leveled the old ones. Didn't matter how much I argued I wouldn't be on much or level much before they became useless. LOL

Even so I did remove materia and desynth the one I was not wearing before the patch. Otherwise they would have sat on the calamity salvager until the next umbral era before I remembered to go get them and desynth.

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I don't follow fanfest because I don't have the bandwidth to stream things like that. My ping to the game servers is usually in excess of 300 m/s, I can barely play the game, and in dungeons, I die frequently because aoe's etc hit me, before I even see them. As I said before, my internet is so bad I can't even stream a video off YouTube at it's lowest settings. Don't say "get better internet"", there is none available where I live that is affordable on a small fixed income. Sure I could spend $200 a month for satellite, and possibly get better speeds, but that is literally 1/4 of my monthly income, and is not affordable. I will also mention, that my address, isn't an address. It's a po box, and I live in the mountains on undeveloped property of a family member in an rv that is 30+ years old. Wanna know how long it took to load this page? More than 8 seconds. I.E. Slow, so I generally don't spend time reading things. Admittedly, my lack of knowledge is my fault, but there are extenuating circumstances, and reasons why I rarely stay up-0 to date on the latest breaking news. Wanna know how long it took me to download Endwalker? 11 days. Think that through. Have a nice day.

yes, I just finished downloading endwalker.

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So why would you spend 100k gil on paper equipment you're just going to outlevel and then complain about it?
Youre not playing in a way that necessitates BiS gear, and even if you were, you'd know it's always completely redundant by the next patch anyway.
Buying gear is always a waste of gil, unless it's for glam, which belts weren't.

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never saw it in the launcher, and I don't do that other stuff you mentioned. I don't watch fanfest, or go to fanfests, I don't do producer live letters, I didn't have a forum account till today, and haven't even read the forums or anything on them until today. So no, I was NOT aware of it. I've never seen it in loadstone (prolly missed it as I was likely looking for other things and not looking for 'news'). And frankly, I launch the launcher, and start the game, because that's all I AM interested in doing. Not spending time reading blah bl;ah banned x rmt blah blah etc. Because that is literally the ONLY garbage I see in that section. So, sorry I wasn't up to date because I play a game instead of read about it.

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So with the info right on the launcher and Lodestone, how would you have liked it presented to you?
Short of slapping you in the face in game with a window you cannot click away for 2 minutes, stating it in oversized, red, bold letters, any form of spelling it out could be dismissed as "i didn't see it".
So, how?

Primarily, because I wanted all my gear to match. It's kinda a spectrum thing. It bugged me to have gear that wasn't the same type, ie Exarch etc. Probably not understandable to anyone that doesn't deal with autism, but little things like a belt being neo-ishgardian when everything else is Exarch, is like a festering wound. Now that I have been caught flat footed by this game change, and being told it was mentioned repeatedly, I have a new festering wound. Now I have to read everything, every update, every patch note, etc that I can get my hands on from this point forwards. If you understand what that entails, then you'll understand that now, I have no choice. I have to do it. And I don't find that type of forced need (by me, not SE) thing enjoyable, I find it as a punishment.

Read a little further up. I've explained it already.