Dalamud in 1.22b

I'm fairly new to this game and I"m just now seeing my first round of updates.
Do they usually make changes to Dalamud in the "a / b" updates or only when the number changes?

I cant remember exactly, but I think only main updates

if there are additional quests that mention it perhaps they will but a/b dont usually add major quests. and dalamud from 1.21 to 1.22 was a huge leap. if they kept up at this rate it would hit months before 2.0 came out

They made a slight adjustment in the "a" patch for 1.21, so I'd think it's completely possible.

as close as it is now the earth would already be feeling the gravitational effects, BUT ITS JUST A GAME i remind myself

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Originally Posted by Mushy

as close as it is now the earth would already be feeling the gravitational effects, BUT ITS JUST A GAME i remind myself

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But its not a planet or a moon but a giant mechanism created by the Allagan Empire long ago.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

But its not a planet or a moon but a giant mechanism created by the Allagan Empire long ago.

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Doesn't mean it can't have its own gravitational pull.

I though it was a moon

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

But its not a planet or a moon but a giant mechanism created by the Allagan Empire long ago.

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everything has gravity even you, the bigger the stronger the pull - so it being giant is precisely why it would have an effect

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dalamud

"Dalamud is one of the two moons orbiting Hydaelyn"

" citizens of Eorzea can already notice it becoming larger by the day. This change is said to be affecting sea currents, crops, and even the behaviour of monsters and their size."

and theres that...

now the effect this will cause can only be truly determined by knowing the size of hydaelyn. but that is all besides the point. it will hit hydaelyn(we suspect) since the launch was botched. they thought and thought METEOR! someone shouted. and a new moon was programmed in

It's going to crash into the planet and crystal war is going to happen and planet will now be called Vana'diel

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Originally Posted by Mushy

everything has gravity even you, the bigger the stronger the pull - so it being giant is precisely why it would have an effect

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Just a small correction, I believe its the larger the mass the greater the gravity (not being big.... a Baseball should have more gravity than a balloon). Black Holes are another good example.

Its entirely possible the Dalamud, though very large, actually has a very small mass and thus would not greatly affect the surface of Eorzea by just getting close though people are guessing that it attracts aether which could also change the land.

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In 1.22 Garuda cutscene, when she is defeated her collective Aether remains seem to get drained into Dalamud

And since its also a Fantasy game, real physics don't always have to apply.

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Originally Posted by Zdenka

And since its also a Fantasy game, real physics don't always have to apply.

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Surely you jest!

(Hides all footage of FF4's moon segment, FF6's floating continent segment, every scene in FF7 related to Meteor and the entire final act of FF8)

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Originally Posted by Mushy

as close as it is now the earth would already be feeling the gravitational effects, BUT ITS JUST A GAME i remind myself

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But its not a planet or a moon but a giant mechanism created by the Allagan Empire long ago.

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Doesn't mean it can't have its own gravitational pull.

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Dalamud is obviously very small, so small, in fact, that it would have no gravitational effect on the planet by falling
Hell, even if the BIG moon fell, the only gravitational effect would be on the water (Because it is moving and therefore easier to be affected by the moons gravitational pull)
The biggest thing that would change if the "Big Moon" fell would be be that the planet would no longer orbit the barycenter. Since the planet doesn't appear to "Orbit" the moon, it is assumed that the barycenter is within the planet, meaning the planet's size is much larger than that of even the larger moon

Also, since there has been no change in the day/night cycle or the planet's rotation, then it is assumed that Dalamud is not large enough to have effected the Barycenter in any noticeable way and is therefore not large enough to cause any type of large-scale gravitational tidal anomolies

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Dalamud is obviously very small, so small, in fact, that it would have no gravitational effect on the planet by falling
Hell, even if the BIG moon fell, the only gravitational effect would be on the water (Because it is moving and therefore easier to be affected by the moons gravitational pull)
The biggest thing that would change if the "Big Moon" fell would be be that the planet would no longer orbit the barycenter. Since the planet doesn't appear to "Orbit" the moon, it is assumed that the barycenter is within the planet, meaning the planet's size is much larger than that of even the larger moon

Also, since there has been no change in the day/night cycle or the planet's rotation, then it is assumed that Dalamud is not large enough to have effected the Barycenter in any noticeable way and is therefore not large enough to cause any type of large-scale gravitational tidal anomolies

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again i post http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dalamud

This change is said to be affecting sea currents, crops, and even the behaviour of monsters and their size.

IT EFFECTED THE MONSTER SIZE. in fact around that same time every monster doubled in size, explain that with your science!

(or was it just an excuse to why they scaled all the monsters models to huge)

Do you think Nael Van Darnus has this song stuck in his head?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU&ob=av2e

on his way to work this must have been the last song he heard on the radio

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Originally Posted by sorahitoshi

I though it was a moon

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That's no moon...

its a moon

also looking at past notes, where can I find this monster:

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...ee/1214_66.jpg

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Originally Posted by Mushy

again i post http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Dalamud

This change is said to be affecting sea currents, crops, and even the behaviour of monsters and their size.

IT EFFECTED THE MONSTER SIZE. in fact around that same time every monster doubled in size, explain that with your science!

(or was it just an excuse to why they scaled all the monsters models to huge)

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In our world, there are 4 major Interactions (forces)
Gravitation, electromagnetism, strong interaction (The force that holds atoms together) and weak interaction (radioactive particle decay)
In our universe, gravitation is the weakest of the 4 forces...

In Eorzea, all of these are present, along with a possible 5th interaction... Aetherial Energy

So without testing (which would be impossible, mind you, being that we are referring to a 3D virtual construct) it is impossible to say these changes would have anything to do with gravitation.

In fact, there is no possible way any gravitational anomaly would result in any solid mass becoming larger in size

It is very likely that the Allagan tech that was used to send a man made structure into the sky, to possibly be used as a weapon would highly effected by (or completely made possible by) Aetherial forces

It is also likely that these terrestrial changes (sea currents, crops, and even the behaviour of monsters and their size) are a result of Aetherial interaction or at the very least, one of the three major interactions that is not gravitation.

In short... its not the gravity, it's the Aether

But at the end of the day, that is all pointless...
The real point is that the ancient man made moon is falling and that means big changes for Eorzea

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Originally Posted by Mushy

also looking at past notes, where can I find this monster:

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...ee/1214_66.jpg

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I want to say he was a familiar for the Archon in one of the company quests... also they are minions summoned by the boss inside the Kobold stronghold

If you look closely at Dalamund, the blue lines that glow on occasion form almost perfect hexagons. Gives the moon that mechanical flavor.

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Originally Posted by Mushy

its a moon

also looking at past notes, where can I find this monster:

http://static.finalfantasyxiv.com/to...ee/1214_66.jpg

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It's not a moon, as my chat with Cid for the most recent twin adder GC quest for Garuda made quite clear. It is a large mechanism created by the Allagan Empire. They attempted to bring the 'moon' down 10 years ago, but failed, and in doing so they destroyed the reception antenna. Cid goes on to pontificate how it is that the Empire intends to control Dalamud with the antenna no longer working, and that Nael Van Darnus has been "sending" the Aether he siphoned from the primals Ifrit and Garuda directly to Dalamud. He also, rather ominously states that there is "very little chance they would attempt to bring Dalamud down to Eorzea if there was any risk of it landing within the Empire's borders".

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Dalamud is obviously very small, so small, in fact, that it would have no gravitational effect on the planet by falling
Hell, even if the BIG moon fell, the only gravitational effect would be on the water (Because it is moving and therefore easier to be affected by the moons gravitational pull)
The biggest thing that would change if the "Big Moon" fell would be be that the planet would no longer orbit the barycenter. Since the planet doesn't appear to "Orbit" the moon, it is assumed that the barycenter is within the planet, meaning the planet's size is much larger than that of even the larger moon

Also, since there has been no change in the day/night cycle or the planet's rotation, then it is assumed that Dalamud is not large enough to have effected the Barycenter in any noticeable way and is therefore not large enough to cause any type of large-scale gravitational tidal anomolies

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Actually if any planet were to lose a moon that was previously in orbit around it, there would be more than just tidal changes. I am not sure also how you can say that a gravitational pull does not exist but then mention how it will affect the tides. The gravitational pull is what creates the tides. Water is on the planet...therefore, moons do affect planets.

Wait! There is more! If we lose our moon by it not existing or falling out of orbit, the Earth's rotation would be affected and speed up. It is the dynamic of distance, pull, momentum that causes us to rotate at the speed we do. We would end up with only the Sun's pull which would cause our day to be 1/2 to 2/3 shorter. The faster rotation would mean great changes for everyone...think of the surface winds, the 8-12 hour days, so many other things affected by this. In the game it translates to what was mentioned...the sea, the crops, the monsters, etc.l

Your use of barycentre is wrong. A barycentre is the center of mass, not the center of a planet. A center of mass is established like the moon(s) rotation and the planet in balance with each other. Our Earth does not sit and spin. It rotates and orbits along a fixed line that is in balance with the bodies around it, that are also doing the same thing. That spot, that center which the earth and its bodies orbit in balance is your barycentre...your center of gravity/center of mass.

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Originally Posted by ChickNorris

Actually if any planet were to lose a moon that was previously in orbit around it, there would be more than just tidal changes. I am not sure also how you can say that a gravitational pull does not exist but then mention how it will affect the tides. The gravitational pull is what creates the tides. Water is on the planet...therefore, moons do affect planets.

Wait! There is more! If we lose our moon by it not existing or falling out of orbit, the Earth's rotation would be affected and speed up. It is the dynamic of distance, pull, momentum that causes us to rotate at the speed we do. We would end up with only the Sun's pull which would cause our day to be 1/2 to 2/3 shorter. The faster rotation would mean great changes for everyone...think of the surface winds, the 8-12 hour days, so many other things affected by this. In the game it translates to what was mentioned...the sea, the crops, the monsters, etc.l

Your use of barycentre is wrong. A barycentre is the center of mass, not the center of a planet. A center of mass is established like the moon(s) rotation and the planet in balance with each other. Our Earth does not sit and spin. It rotates and orbits along a fixed line that is in balance with the bodies around it, that are also doing the same thing. That spot, that center which the earth and its bodies orbit in balance is your barycentre...your center of gravity/center of mass.

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It is a large mechanism created by the Allagan Empire, says it in all the GC story lines. You can even tell that it is man made now after 1.22 when you look in the sky. Nael Van Darnus has been trying to pull it down but I'm unsure if he has succeeded or it is coming down on its own because he's been "feeding" it aether. The latter would be interesting; say it comes down, destroys the empire and becomes our new enemy. But alas we must all wait till that day comes, luckily that day isn't to far off.

In that 1.22 concept art, the one with Behemoth you can kind of see something in the background that looks a lot like Dalamud, someone else pointed this out.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Do you think Nael Van Darnus has this song stuck in his head?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsV500W4BHU&ob=av2e

on his way to work this must have been the last song he heard on the radio

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I accept that and raise you this sir!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b53UYNX0-fw

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Originally Posted by ChickNorris

Actually if any planet were to lose a moon that was previously in orbit around it, there would be more than just tidal changes. I am not sure also how you can say that a gravitational pull does not exist but then mention how it will affect the tides. The gravitational pull is what creates the tides. Water is on the planet...therefore, moons do affect planets.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Dalamud is obviously very small, so small, in fact, that it would have no gravitational effect on the planet by falling
Hell, even if the BIG moon fell, the only gravitational effect would be on the water

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Yes... the BIG moon would have an affect, the small artificial moon would likely not have any effect

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Originally Posted by ChickNorris

Wait! There is more! If we lose our moon by it not existing or falling out of orbit, the Earth's rotation would be affected and speed up. It is the dynamic of distance, pull, momentum that causes us to rotate at the speed we do. We would end up with only the Sun's pull which would cause our day to be 1/2 to 2/3 shorter. The faster rotation would mean great changes for everyone...think of the surface winds, the 8-12 hour days, so many other things affected by this. In the game it translates to what was mentioned...the sea, the crops, the monsters, etc.l

Your use of barycentre is wrong. A barycentre is the center of mass, not the center of a planet. A center of mass is established like the moon(s) rotation and the planet in balance with each other. Our Earth does not sit and spin. It rotates and orbits along a fixed line that is in balance with the bodies around it, that are also doing the same thing. That spot, that center which the earth and its bodies orbit in balance is your barycentre...your center of gravity/center of mass.

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My use of barycenter was perfect. If the larger moon fell, It's pull on the planet, and the planet's pull on it would be removed, and the "planet" would no longer orbit the barycenter.By saying that

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the planet would no longer orbit the barycenter

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I can't possibly be saying that the barycenter is the center of the planet, Because I said the planet would no longer orbit it. You can't orbit yourself, therefore, nothing about what I said implied that the barycenter was the center of the planet's mass
Now what you inferred from my post... well... that's on you

So now that we have come to the conclusion that I am not wrong, only your interpretation of what I said is wrong.
I further maintain that if Dalamud is so small that

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there has been no change in the day/night cycle or the planet's rotation

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(Awww, look, I DID mention that removing a moon would cause changes in the earths rotation. I'm just spot on today. catch up Chick, come on), then it's size must also be so small that it wouldn't cause any gravitational anomolies

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Originally Posted by Mushy

as close as it is now the earth would already be feeling the gravitational effects, BUT ITS JUST A GAME i remind myself

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depends how big it is

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

depends how big it is

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It can't be that big or else ALL of Eorzea would be destoryed by it. By "destroyed" I mean totally wiped out, not terraformed or altered but destroyed, no life remaining in the region.

My best guess is its about the size of Ul'dah(the whole city not just what we can explore) MAYBE abit bigger. the thing is it was built for a purpose and that purpose may be the reason its drawing the aether from Eorzea as it aproaches.

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

It can't be that big or else ALL of Eorzea would be destoryed by it. By "destroyed" I mean totally wiped out, not terraformed or altered but destroyed, no life remaining in the region.

My best guess is its about the size of Ul'dah(the whole city not just what we can explore) MAYBE abit bigger. the thing is it was built for a purpose and that purpose may be the reason its drawing the aether from Eorzea as it aproaches.

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I think that's a good guess... It's small enough that the empire feels like if it was dropped on Eorzea then they wouldn't feel any adverse effects way up there in the Northeast

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Originally Posted by Rydin

I think that's a good guess... It's small enough that the empire feels like if it was dropped on Eorzea then they wouldn't feel any adverse effects way up there in the Northeast

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Yep and big enough to cause enough damage to the surrounding areas. (bye bye shroud)

Hell, the damage might be caused by it's Aether draining being dispersed in one huge pulse after crashing down causing weird geological abnormalities like the floating islands in the 2.0 concept and the big lava looking spike thingy.

/speculation

judging by the floating crystal, i wonder if it doesnt crash/land at all and maybe gets very close and hovers like in district 9. Maybe later we will figure out a way to go up there.

From the V2.0 outline

One day, a massive
geological anomaly
suddenly appears from
deep within the ground.

I wonder when that will come? Next patch?

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Originally Posted by Irishwars

From the V2.0 outline

One day, a massive
geological anomaly
suddenly appears from
deep within the ground.

I wonder when that will come? Next patch?

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pretty sure that's referring to crystal tower, at least in part, since lore has them buried completely underground. also, im guessing 2.0

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Originally Posted by Mushy

as close as it is now the earth would already be feeling the gravitational effects, BUT ITS JUST A GAME i remind myself

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also npcs would actually look up and take notice :P

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Originally Posted by Majidah

also npcs would actually look up and take notice :P

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pff, I don't know what you guys are talking about, my NPCs are still going on about their day, I'm not worried!

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Originally Posted by Andvari

pff, I don't know what you guys are talking about, my NPCs are still going on about their day, I'm not worried!

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THEY AINT NEVER SCURRED! :P

Two ( I think ) of the npcs in the Adventurer's guild in Limsa Lomisa mention that the moon is getting "bigger and redder" or something to that extent.

Also that stuff about the new GC quests is revealing. I haven't had a chance to do them yet so perhaps I can work that into my prediction of how the story will turn out.

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Originally Posted by Irishwars

From the V2.0 outline

One day, a massive
geological anomaly
suddenly appears from
deep within the ground.

I wonder when that will come? Next patch?

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That's referring to the crystal tower... Which is funnily already in the dats (but it's underground).

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Originally Posted by Keith_Dragoon

Yep and big enough to cause enough damage to the surrounding areas. (bye bye shroud)

Hell, the damage might be caused by it's Aether draining being dispersed in one huge pulse after crashing down causing weird geological abnormalities like the floating islands in the 2.0 concept and the big lava looking spike thingy.

/speculation

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Here is my question.... (And speculated answers)
Where (or how) could a meteor hit somewhere in Eorzea, and have an impact that damages (or just reforms) all of the zones, yet doesn't damage any of the cities

It could possibly be that someone (Maybe Cid or Circle of Knowing) or some thing (Maybe the primals, paragons or Ascians) is able to create magic barriers.... but it is so difficult that the barriers can only cover the cities

Another possibility is that Dalamud is blown into smaller pieces before it lands... and those pieces land all over the place

Yet another possibility is that Dalamud is destroyed but not before the Strong Aetherial Interaction between it and the earth causes large scale terraforming

One more theory is that Dalamud is diverted somewhere unpopulated... but the impact as well as aetherial interactions cause irreparable damage to the continent

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Here is my question.... (And speculated answers)
Where (or how) could a meteor hit somewhere in Eorzea, and have an impact that damages (or just reforms) all of the zones, yet doesn't damage any of the cities

It could possibly be that someone (Maybe Cid or Circle of Knowing) or some thing (Maybe the primals, paragons or Ascians) is able to create magic barriers.... but it is so difficult that the barriers can only cover the cities

Another possibility is that Dalamud is blown into smaller pieces before it lands... and those pieces land all over the place

Yet another possibility is that Dalamud is destroyed but not before the Strong Aetherial Interaction between it and the earth causes large scale terraforming

One more theory is that Dalamud is diverted somewhere unpopulated... but the impact as well as aetherial interactions cause irreparable damage to the continent

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or the cities are damaged and we return as spirits 100 years later but we dont know we are already dead til the end.

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Originally Posted by Rydin

Here is my question.... (And speculated answers)
Where (or how) could a meteor hit somewhere in Eorzea, and have an impact that damages (or just reforms) all of the zones, yet doesn't damage any of the cities

It could possibly be that someone (Maybe Cid or Circle of Knowing) or some thing (Maybe the primals, paragons or Ascians) is able to create magic barriers.... but it is so difficult that the barriers can only cover the cities

Another possibility is that Dalamud is blown into smaller pieces before it lands... and those pieces land all over the place

Yet another possibility is that Dalamud is destroyed but not before the Strong Aetherial Interaction between it and the earth causes large scale terraforming

One more theory is that Dalamud is diverted somewhere unpopulated... but the impact as well as aetherial interactions cause irreparable damage to the continent

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A large ammount of Ather dispersal upon impact in a non populated place, could cause climate changes, adverse geological formations and such. the towns may be altered ever so slightly but it could be the way they are built with the exception of gridania. If that place is unchanged I dunno how to explain that.

Dalamud has some kinda function other then just crash and burn, that could be what causes the destruction instead of the impact itself.