Mansions need to be relocated

Mansions are expensive. In real life the most expensive house is the one that has the best location and view, but this is not the case in the game.

In Lavender Beds out of the 3 Mansions only 1 has a good location and view (the one at the topmost), 1 that has a good location in a separate island hill crossing a bridge but not only is it looking AWAY from the nearby waterfall but also is surrounded with tree bark walls that obstruct the view, and 1 that is awkwardly in the middle looking towards nowhere in particular.

In Kugane you have 1 Mansion with a good location and view (the topmost) and then 2 Mansions with good location that are aimed at the wrong direction (the one by the beach is looking AWAY from the beach, and the one on the hill is looking AWAY from the sea)

Mist has 1 Mansion with a good location and view (topmost) and an interesting idea of having 2 Mansions almost side by side in their own personal exclusive area by the pier with no other house nearby...that is completely ruined by having the appartment building for commoners right inbetween of them

And then you have the Goblet, which is already an unfortunate area made worse by 2 of the Mansions seemingly being placed at random amongst the small and medium houses and looking away from the central pool or towards a wall, and 1 Mansion that had a cool idea by being in a separate hill and having a Small house right next to it for "the servants and housekeepers", but it's ruined by the Goblet being surrounded by nothing but an endless abyss.

Changes that should be made:

Kugane is easiest to fix, just rotate the Mansions so they are looking at the right direction

Lavender Beds the Mansion across the bridge needs to be looking towards the waterfall and remove the tree bark walls, and the Mansion in the middle needs to be swapped with the Medium house by the lake.

Mist relocate the appartment building, or switch both Mansions with the 3 small houses by the beach.

Goblet would be the hardest since the entire area needs a visual update to look more like the concept art but alternatively move the 2 randomly placed Mansions closer to the central pool. https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...8f44936327.jpg

As somsone who has owned larges in all zones, I think Mist is the best one with currently layout. Some of them are really disappointing (looking at you LB).
I loved LB with the forest feeling and rain but the layout is what I hate about that area.

I don't like your suggestion that other houses should be moved to accommodate the mansions getting moved. It really wouldn't be fair to ruin the plots of multiple houses just to make a smaller number be better. A lot of people worked hard for a long time to get specific plots and if their location gets changed without them being able to do anything about it there would be many unhappy players. Certainly my fc would be very angry if our medium plot beside the pool in the Goblet got moved because we specifically aimed to be in that location. We didn't want just any medium plot. We wanted -that- plot. We love it so much we chose that over the more popular locations like Mist and Shirogane. We're not even entertaining the idea of moving to Ishgard.

I suspect that mansions are located where they are so they won't be too obstructive to other plots. They're very tall and wide so they can easily block views and sunlight, especially with some housing skins. Mediums to a lesser degree also appear to be located so that they don't block too much for other plots around them. Moving mansions around the wards in some cases would require a lot of redesign so that other plots around the mansions wouldn't end up entirely losing the view they had. That would be a lot of work for a feature that wouldn't benefit many players, and potentially make a far larger amount be upset.

I think a good solution would be to permit anyone to rotate their house. It would give every home owner even more options as to how their plots look, it would fix some of the unwanted design decisions by SE, and it wouldn't force relocation on anyone's plot.

Alternatively, have new wards have the new design, with a 24hr priority for current Mansion holders to relocate there before they go into lottery/first come first serve mode.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I think a good solution would be to permit anyone to rotate their house. It would give every home owner even more options as to how their plots look, it would fix some of the unwanted design decisions by SE, and it wouldn't force relocation on anyone's plot.

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And this would be a good idea for current wards

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I suspect that mansions are located where they are so they won't be too obstructive to other plots. They're very tall and wide so they can easily block views and sunlight, especially with some housing skins.

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Unfortunate, but that's how it is in real life. If you are going to have to pay almost 20 times as much as a small house it must be worth it.

i like my beach front in mist on Siren... sorry not taking my spot. Also not giving up my poolside in Brimming Heart either on Balmung or my waterfronts in Shirogane on Gilga or Spriggan. Nice to dream but it's not happening.

But... what makes a good location is subjective.
People on the forums have (unknowingly) ragged on the same small plot in The Mist that I have saying it's not very good, but for me it's perfect and I wouldn't trade it for anything.

Would mansion owners be able to at least opt out of this?
What about the people who intentionally bought mansion in a secluded spot over one with a view?

Would anything be given to the owners of the plots the mansions move to? Do they even get a say? Or are they just screwed?

How would this even work geographically?
Large plots are literally physucally larger.
You can just substitute a mansion onto a small plot and have things work out. You'd at least need to edit the map around these areas and a Large moving to where a Small plot is would push away / around all the other nearby houses, leading to even more people being upset. Not a good idea for a housing system based on the idea of fostering neighborhoods.

But... is this even a problem?
Are there long, dissatisfied, and documented discussions of mansion owners complaining that their locations aren't prime enough for their mansions?

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Unfortunate, but that's how it is in real life. If you are going to have to pay almost 20 times as much as a small house it must be worth it.

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Then don't buy them if you're only buying them to get the view. Buy the cheaper houses with the view you want.

Most players are interested in the mansions for the size, not the view, and clearly feel the price is worth it or they wouldn't be pay it.

In my opinion the best Large plot is Shirogane plot 16/46. Everyone love large Mist near cliff but it only gives me anxiety that it might collapse anytime...

But again I'm bored with Mist beachfront because I've been owning it since 2.3, and decided to move into Medium Goblet near Brimming Heart. Best decision ever... Near pool with the view of Roegadyn flexing? :chefkiss:

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Mist- relocate the appartment building, or switch both Mansions with the 3 small houses by the beach.

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It's not enough to have the biggest, most grand house in the game, but now you want to take the view that some of the smalls are afforded too? Pfft.

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Originally Posted by lezard21

Unfortunate, but that's how it is in real life. If you are going to have to pay almost 20 times as much as a small house it must be worth it.

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This isn't real life. It's a game that we all pay the same (minus extra retainers fee if we so choose) sub fee for. If we're going for "real life"- then these houses should just be moved into their own subdivisions.

Leave us peons what niceties we've got.

I wouldn't be opposed to them making some new neighborhoods size-specific, such as only Large plots, and giving people with those sized plots the chance to relocate there before they get opened up for purchase. I personally like seeing L, M, and S plots in each neighborhood and wouldn't want to force everyone who currently has a plot to relocate to the size-specific ones. It's pretty obvious though that people will buy or relocate to a plot of a certain size regardless of location/view just to have that size plot. Why not give them a chance to move to a different plot with a view that appeals more to them and give people without houses the chance to buy the plots that open up in the current neighborhoods?

Once all the people who want to relocate have, say after two weeks or so, open the remaining plots up for purchase/relocation by other people. This way current home owners get a chance at a more visually desirable plot, people have the opportunity to upgrade plot size via relocation, and those without houses will have the chance to purchase plots; either those in the original neighborhoods that open up or in the new neighborhoods if they're not all taken by the original relocators.

This is what we call and outrageous idea. You are asking the devs to redesgin those housing areas. Just relocate if you want a better plot.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

This is what we call and outrageous idea. You are asking the devs to redesgin those housing areas. Just relocate if you want a better plot.

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I'm not sure if you're replying to me or not but I'll assume you are.

1. What I mentioned isn't wholesale redesign of all neighborhoods, but design new ones to be added at the same time as new "standard" neighborhoods.

2. I don't own a house so relocation isn't currently an option and given the probability I'll be able to buy any plot, regardless of location, I likely won't be relocating any time soon either.

To be honest, I'm happy with my apartment and what Island Sanctuaries sound like they're going to be. I used to own a house and landscaping the outside was much more fun than decorating the interior. If I'm able to do a wholesale landscape of an Island Sanctuary I'll be happy, even if I can't go into the buildings.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

I'm not sure if you're replying to me or not but I'll assume you are.

1. What I mentioned isn't wholesale redesign of all neighborhoods, but design new ones to be added at the same time as new "standard" neighborhoods.

2. I don't own a house so relocation isn't currently an option and given the probability I'll be able to buy any plot, regardless of location, I likely won't be relocating any time soon either.

To be honest, I'm happy with my apartment and what Island Sanctuaries sound like they're going to be. I used to own a house and landscaping the outside was much more fun than decorating the interior. If I'm able to do a wholesale landscape of an Island Sanctuary I'll be happy, even if I can't go into the buildings.

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Lol No was not replying to you. Your idea is perfectly fine as well.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Just relocate if you want a better plot.

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This is rather difficult in this day and age and impossible in few months.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

This is rather difficult in this day and age and impossible in few months.

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True but that doesn’t mean I’m amenable to the idea of losing the lovely view my cottage has bc someone wants to plop a large on my plot.

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Originally Posted by Lolli282

True but that doesn’t mean I’m amenable to the idea of losing the lovely view my cottage has bc someone wants to plop a large on my plot.

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Fortunately, it's not something you need to worry about unless SE decides to scrap wards completely and I doubt they'll ever do that.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Fortunately, it's not something you need to worry about unless SE decides to scrap wards completely and I doubt they'll ever do that.

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This sounds ridiculous but I do wish they can make the plot upgradable inside, so those who got small plot can have medium interior or those who got medium plot can have mansion interior.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

This sounds ridiculous but I do wish they can make the plot upgradable inside, so those who got small plot can have medium interior or those who got medium plot can have mansion interior.

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YoshiP has said in the past that housing memory isn't designed to allow for apartments to get upgraded when asked about the possibility. I imagine the same would hold true for house interiors since they're also instanced. Personally I find it jarring to walk into an interior that is visually larger in size than the exterior. We already that problem with the Smithy Walls skin and it will be a problem with the new skin with a veranda being added in Endwalker.

On the other hand, I don't see why players can't be given an option to choose the size at time of purchase since the interior is instanced while the exterior isn't. There's no upgrade involved in that, it's a purchase decision that could be irrevocable short of relinquishing and buying a new plot. Why must the entry portal map to a specific size instead of the entry portal simply mapping to what the player owns?

[insert rant about how other MMOs have no problem providing housing options that FFXIV can't - or refuses to; we might have a more appealing art aesthetic but the actual systems are archaic]

I actually agree with the OP. Most the houses in this game with best views are, for some reason, S-sized, like Mist 19-21, Goblet 14-20 (except 19 being a Medium), LB 9/29, Shirogane 3, etc.
I'm lucky enough to own one of those (before the housing big bang), but when I was looking into upgrading to a M/L, there're just *so few* choices that have a comparable view - so few that makes me think if it's a trade-off between the size and the view.
As the OP said, there *are* good M/L houses, but they're sort of the minority. The views are especially bad for most M houses, which are very frequently put right in the centre of other houses.
Some of these unfortunate houses actually have theoretically really good locations, but for access reasons I suppose, they face the "wrong" direction which completely wastes their potential, e.g. LB 28.

Although I agree that the biggest problem with housing now is its supply, at some point a rework of the M/L houses would make it a better experience.

If you base your housing on location, then size dows not matter, the actual best one in the Lavender beds is the small one with the view to the waterfall for an instance and something to mention.

Size not the thing, definetely not the thing, I have the large one in the Mist at plot 15, the top one myself, however the medium one same height is very well placed as well, so is plot 30... and the plots right next to the beach.

I would not bother about it too much.

If asking for price then 3 -15 - 45 millions is nothing.