Midgarsormr

Any relation to Midgar? Or the Midgar Zolom?

Anyways, what the heck is this guy? Why did we fight him? Why is there Magitek Robots here?

What did he do to us? Are we no longer bound to Hydaelyn? He took the power of our crystals and what... Became a minion??

Da heck does all of this mean? Is he stronger than Hydaelyn? Is he a primal? Is Hydaelyn a primal?

Why does he hate Ishgard?

Without getting into post-A Realm Reborn spoiler territory...

Midgardsormr's name is a reference to the World Serpent from Norse mythology—a snake so massive that it is coiled around the world itself. He has no relation to Final Fantasy 7's Midgar or Midgar Zolom, save for those names coming from Norse mythology as well.

He's the progenitor (read: super dad) of all dragons on Hydaelyn. You fought him because he attacked you. There are Magitek Robots there because the XIVth Legion (Gaius van Windbag's men) controlled the island you fought him on.

He sealed the Blessing of Light, preventing you from using it. You still have it, it's just dormant.

He might be stronger than Hydaelyn. He is probably not a primal.

And as for why he hates Ishgard, you'll find out in Heavensward.

Keep playing the MSQ for answers.

And no, he isn't related to Midgard, but to Norse Mythology where Midgardsomr is the great serpent. (FF VII drew a lot from Norse Mythology, Midgard is the realm of humans, Niflheim the underworld, for example.)

There are Magitek soldiers bc his corpse is slung around an old Garlean vessel, and the Garleans try to get some supplies/materials from there.

So he's dead? We fought his corpse? Does he have any beef with the Garleans?

He's not dead, he has beef with any who would threaten Hydaelyn

But as the other guy said just keep playing, a lot of questions that the story raises are also questions that the story answers later on

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Originally Posted by Yvresse

So he's dead? We fought his corpse? Does he have any beef with the Garleans?

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Pre 1.0, he and some other dragons fought the Garleans when they tried to invade Eorzea in the Battle of Silver Tear Lake, which ended with him succeeding in driving them off. However, his body was slung around that one vessel (Agrius), and when the Ceruleum tanks of that one exploded, he got caught in the blast as well and went down, but while his body is more or less dead, you have seen he isn't that much dead yet. But the battle isn't much referenced in ARR except very early on from Gaius, so it isn't much of a spoiler.

Supermassive spoilers - click at your own risk.

Midgardsormr has no relationship to Midgar or the Midgar Zolom in this game, seeing as neither exist. The name is drawn from Norse myth - "Midgar Zolom" is just a bad translation of Midgardsormr.

Midgardsormr is essentially a spirit dragon, a being beyond the cycle of life and death, who serves Hydaelyn as part of a pact he made with her in exchange for sanctuary for his children. He came from a faraway planet, being chased by Omega (a series staple killer robot). You fight Midgardsormr in the "Keeper of the Lake" dungeon because he's annoyed you came to his abode. The magitek robots are there because the Keeper of the Lake is the crashed Garlean flagship Agruis, and Gaius' rogue XIVth Legion maintains a token presence there even after his downfall.

Midgardsormr seals away the Blessing of Light under the grounds that the Ascians are deliberately trying to overwhelm and exhaust its power. This (in story anyway) does diminish the PC's power for a time.

It's unclear if he's stronger than Hydaelyn... but as her servant, if she were able to act freely probably not. He is not a primal, but Hydaelyn is.

Midgardsormr hates Ishgard because they settled on Dravanian (dragon) territory and despite initial conflict were eventually able to forge peace by way of the real Shiva's sacrifice, only for the ancient King Thordan to betray said peace and kill the greatwyrm Ratatoskr to eat her eyes for power, very nearly kill the greatwyrm Nidhogg when he came to avenge her by prising out his eyes, and sending a third greatwyrm Hraesvelgr into a deep depression because of it - and then lying about it all in order to keep Ishgard's socio-political structure advantageous to the upper classes and give the common people cause to fight against the ever-vengeful and still very much alive Nidhogg, who survived by guilting Hraesvelgr into giving him one of his eyes (which contain a dragon's life essence and power, hence why the ancient King Thordan and his Knights Twelve ate Ratatoskr's and stashed away Nidhogg's to use as powerful relics).

Bonus: Midgardsormr is heavily implied to be the template for this game's incarnation of Shinryu, as he is a divine / spirit dragon (the literal translation of "Shinryu") and fought against / was pursued by Omega to Hydaelyn, with Omega and Shinryu being archenemies as a series meta staple.

So Midgarsormr takes my warrior of light blessing away.
Hydaelyn is MIA

Moenbryda dies

So midgarsormr responsible for her death?

Also, the blade of light? what the heck is that, we didnt use that before? did we?

That was a really cool fight though I really enjoyed it, ascians seem really powerful.

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Originally Posted by Rosenstrauch

Without getting into post-A Realm Reborn spoiler territory...

Midgardsormr's name is a reference to the World Serpent from Norse mythology—a snake so massive that it is coiled around the world itself. He has no relation to Final Fantasy 7's Midgar or Midgar Zolom, save for those names coming from Norse mythology as well.

He's the progenitor (read: super dad) of all dragons on Hydaelyn. You fought him because he attacked you. There are Magitek Robots there because the XIVth Legion (Gaius van Windbag's men) controlled the island you fought him on.

He sealed the Blessing of Light, preventing you from using it. You still have it, it's just dormant.

He might be stronger than Hydaelyn. He is probably not a primal.

And as for why he hates Ishgard, you'll find out in Heavensward.

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So where does he come from if hes not a primal?

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

Keep playing the MSQ for answers.

And no, he isn't related to Midgard, but to Norse Mythology where Midgardsomr is the great serpent. (FF VII drew a lot from Norse Mythology, Midgard is the realm of humans, Niflheim the underworld, for example.)

There are Magitek soldiers bc his corpse is slung around an old Garlean vessel, and the Garleans try to get some supplies/materials from there.

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Does Miggardsormr allow them to do this?

A lot of this is revealed as the game progresses.

Beware spoilers, but I kept things as vague as I could.

Who or what is Midgardsormr (in game, not the real world name roots):

He is an ancient dragon from an entirely different planet. For reasons not entirely clear, he fled his home world with a clutch of eggs called the First Brood. This brood includes famous dragons you may have met such as Nidhogg.

Midgardsormr made an agreement to protect Hydaelyn in exchange for being able to live on the planet. His body was destroyed in a battle that destroyed Mor Dhona as we know it. His corpse can be seen wrapped around a massive airship in Silvertear lake.

You will learn more of his origins in the raid series for 4.0, but it’s not a lot of details.
The dragons overall story is of course in 3.0, but dragons/dragon related items are very central through the story up to the current patch.

Is Midgardsormr dead? (3.0 spoilers)

No, but it’s complicated. Elder dragons are complicated in this game. They are something akin to primals, but not primals. Their power seems to exist and persist beyond their bodies. Midgardsormr joins your group as a little guy; Nidhogg can reform using the body of another. Dragon blood itself seems to cause people to mutate.

Ascians? (Spoilers but minor)

The Ascians are major enemies in this game. The scene you are talking about with Moenbryda is a start of something bigger: team Scion has found a means to kill Ascians. The nature of the Ascians and what this means will become clearer as youmprogress. Short version: This will become a big deal.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

A lot of this is revealed as the game progresses.

Beware spoilers, but I kept things as vague as I could.

Who or what is Midgardsormr (in game, not the real world name roots):

He is an ancient dragon from an entirely different planet. For reasons not entirely clear, he fled his home world with a clutch of eggs called the First Brood. This brood includes famous dragons you may have met such as Nidhogg.

Midgardsormr made an agreement to protect Hydaelyn in exchange for being able to live on the planet. His body was destroyed in a battle that destroyed Mor Dhona as we know it. His corpse can be seen wrapped around a massive airship in Silvertear lake.

You will learn more of this in the raid series for 4.0, but it’s not a lot of details.

Is Midgardsormr dead? (3.0 spoilers)

No, but it’s complicated. Elder dragons are complicated in this game. They are something akin to primals, but not primals. Their power seems to exist and persist beyond their bodies. Midgardsormr joins your group as a little guy; Nidhogg can reform using the body of another. Dragon blood itself seems to cause people to mutate.

Ascians? (Spoilers but minor)

The Ascians are major enemies in this game. The scene you are talking about with Moenbryda is a start of something bigger: team Scion has found a means to kill Ascians. The nature of the Ascians and what this means will become clearer as youmprogress. Short version: This will become a big deal.

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So is he protecting Hydaelyn by stripping me of the warrior of light power?

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Originally Posted by Yvresse

So is he protecting Hydaelyn by stripping me of the warrior of light power?

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"Art thou a pawn, or a master of thine own fate?"
He is basically testing you, trying to judge whether you are string on your own or whether you were only able to accomplish things with Hydaelyn's help.

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Originally Posted by Yvresse

So is he protecting Hydaelyn by stripping me of the warrior of light power?

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Short version, yes.

Long version: he does not like you at first, and does not particularly want to help you…but he notices you are blessed by Hydaelyn, whom he swore to protect…so he seals your blessing to test your worthiness. Basically, can you be a hero and use your own powers without relying on hers.

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Originally Posted by Yvresse

Or the Midgar Zolom?

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Yes, actually but not in the way you'd think. The Midgar Zolom enemy in VII is named Midgardsormr in the japanese version. It was eroneously translated to Midgar Zolom. (Incidentally VII also features the first appearance of Nidhogg in the franchise. As a little yellow snake whose english name is "Heg").

Names aside there's no actual connection though. FF as a franchise just likes to make use of mythological names and concepts but as a general rule each title is standalone (XIV makes a lot of callbacks and alusions to other games in the franchise but they're still distinct and adapted to fit this game).

Keep playing... I don't know why people come here begging to be spoiled. Play the game.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

Beware spoilers, but I kept things as vague as I could.

Who or what is Midgardsormr (in game, not the real world name roots):

He is an ancient dragon from an entirely different planet. For reasons not entirely clear, he fled his home world with a clutch of eggs called the First Brood. This brood includes famous dragons you may have met such as Nidhogg.

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Actually,

we know why Midgardsormr fled the Dragonstar, it was because Omega arrived on the planet and laid waste to it - basically Middy is the last of his kind which is why he's so powerful. Basically dragons are aliens not native to Hydaelyn. He basically arrived on the Source Hydaelyn as a intergalactic refugee, but yes he was allowed to settle on the Source by Hydaelyn if he vowed to protect the planet and the people on it - presumedly this is why he led the Dravanian Horde to protect Silvertear Lake from Gaius's invasion fleet. A lot of the specifics of Middy's pact with Hydaelyn is a big unknown though, and the whole thing is still very murky.

As for why

Middy sealed the Crystals, it was because of the very Blessing's nature - every time Hydaelyn steps in to help the WoL she's weakening herself to do so - Middy mistook the player's character as not Hydaelyn's champion but just some upstart mortal that was stealing her powers, so he thought by sealing the Blessing it would show you for what you truly were.

The joke was on him though when you successfully relight the Crystals and re-create the Blessing yourself through your struggles in HW, proving without a doubt you really are who you say you are (actions after all speak louder than words). This is why he turns himself into your mount on Azys Lla, he feels sincere guilt for what he did and wants to make amends to you for doing so - a dragon willingly submitting themself to such servitude is a major honour, and for the dragon's Primogenitor to do that....

As for Middy is meant to be a reference to the Midgard Zolom in FFVII... it is, in a way, in that Midgardsormr is a reoccuring enemy/summon/character throughout many FF games, and FFVII wasn't even the first either (he first appeared as an Esper summon in FFVI, although like his FFVII appearence his name was originally mistranslated in the original 'FFIII' US SNES version - in FFVI's case, he was mistranslated as 'Terrato').

Some of these questions are giving me the impression you've misunderstood some aspects of the story you've already received and might be well served to rewatch some cutscenes. No shade and no insult meant, sometimes a story can come across hard to connect. And yes as others have already said, most if not all of your questions will be answered just by continuing to play the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Actually,

we know why Midgardsormr fled the Dragonstar, it was because Omega arrived on the planet and laid waste to it - basically Middy is the last of his kind which is why he's so powerful. Basically dragons are aliens not native to Hydaelyn. He basically arrived on the Source Hydaelyn as a intergalactic refugee, but yes he was allowed to settle on the Source by Hydaelyn if he vowed to protect the planet and the people on it - presumedly this is why he led the Dravanian Horde to protect Silvertear Lake from Gaius's invasion fleet. A lot of the specifics of Middy's pact with Hydaelyn is a big unknown though, and the whole thing is still very murky.

As for why

Middy sealed the Crystals, it was because of the very Blessing's nature - every time Hydaelyn steps in to help the WoL she's weakening herself to do so - Middy mistook the player's character as not Hydaelyn's champion but just some upstart mortal that was stealing her powers, so he thought by sealing the Blessing it would show you for what you truly were.

The joke was on him though when you successfully relight the Crystals and re-create the Blessing yourself through your struggles in HW, proving without a doubt you really are who you say you are (actions after all speak louder than words). This is why he turns himself into your mount on Azys Lla, he feels sincere guilt for what he did and wants to make amends to you for doing so - a dragon willingly submitting themself to such servitude is a major honour, and for the dragon's Primogenitor to do that....

As for Middy is meant to be a reference to the Midgard Zolom in FFVII... it is, in a way, in that Midgardsormr is a reoccuring enemy/summon/character throughout many FF games, and FFVII wasn't even the first either (he first appeared as an Esper summon in FFVI, although like his FFVII appearence his name was originally mistranslated in the original 'FFIII' US SNES version - in FFVI's case, he was mistranslated as 'Terrato').

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I was leaving it intentionally vague to allow for as spoiler-free a read as possible, as OP seems to not have been through HW.
>> You will learn more of this in the raid series for 4.0, but it’s not a lot of details.

No worries though, I would just edit your post to let OP know you have big spoilers.

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

"Art thou a pawn, or a master of thine own fate?"
He is basically testing you, trying to judge whether you are string on your own or whether you were only able to accomplish things with Hydaelyn's help.

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I see, so he thinks trading a life for death is equal.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Keep playing... I don't know why people come here begging to be spoiled. Play the game.

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Honestly most of it I already missed or forgot.

A lot happens in this game, it's a lot easier to read concise answers from people who understand the lore.
And if its a spoiler, it doesn't matter to me. I'm not gonna get mad because I learned x or y before it actually happened, it doesn't ruin anything for me.

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Originally Posted by SilverObi

Some of these questions are giving me the impression you've misunderstood some aspects of the story you've already received and might be well served to rewatch some cutscenes. No shade and no insult meant, sometimes a story can come across hard to connect. And yes as others have already said, most if not all of your questions will be answered just by continuing to play the MSQ.

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Yeah, the game has a lot of plot and it's not always so easy to understand, maybe on a second playthough I might go 'aha so that was who that was'

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Originally Posted by Yvresse

I see, so he thinks trading a life for death is equal.

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Where are you getting this from? He has nothing to do with Moenbryda dying. He might not particularly care, but it's not something he chose to make happen.

And the "blade of light" is thoroughly discussed in the preceding cutscenes – collecting a vast amount of aether to channel into a blade. Not a simple task we can do whenever, and ultimately requiring Moenbryda's life-aether for us to have enough to destroy Nabriales (who is entirely the person to blame for her death). But she spent a lot of time in that story arc working on and talking about the device that would let us do it.

Kinda echoing others- I suggest getting through the story to where Heavansward starts, then rewatch the cutscenes that covers between ARR and HW.

There's a lot of filler between scenes, so yeah, you might be zonked out getting through it. Just get to where you can access Ishgard (city) then spend a good 20 minutes in the inn to review.

Alternatively, google a story summary for the part of the game you're done with (so I would guess for you an ARR and pre HW)

Here are some quick ones I found:

2.0 ARR Story Recap
2.1-2.5 ARR Story Recap (You might not be done with this yet)

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Where are you getting this from? He has nothing to do with Moenbryda dying. He might not particularly care, but it's not something he chose to make happen.

And the "blade of light" is thoroughly discussed in the preceding cutscenes – collecting a vast amount of aether to channel into a blade. Not a simple task we can do whenever, and ultimately requiring Moenbryda's life-aether for us to have enough to destroy Nabriales (who is entirely the person to blame for her death). But she spent a lot of time in that story arc working on and talking about the device that would let us do it.

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He said so in the cutscene in the Rising Stones. I'm quoting him.

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Originally Posted by Yvresse

He said so in the cutscene in the Rising Stones. I'm quoting him.

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In comment on Moenbryda giving her life to bring about Nabriales' death? That's an observation, not a plan.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

In comment on Moenbryda giving her life to bring about Nabriales' death? That's an observation, not a plan.

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Yeah, keep in mind I dont actually know the lore. So if im saying something that sounds wrong its not intentional.

All good Yvresse; you're really excited and that's good :) Enjoy digging into the lore.

For now, I think you'd be better served rewatching cutscenes and maybe watching those summaries.

If I were you, I wouldn't assume too much on motivations/etc until you're caught up storywise. Of course by all means do ask the questions, but a lot of our answers are just gonna be "It'll make sense around 4.0" or "You'll see in Shadowbringers", etc.

I'm going to echo what a lot of other people are saying; keep playing through Heavensward since a lot of the questions will be answered. Also, I'd watch those videos Kaynide posted because a lot of the groundwork for the Shadowbringers storyline is laid out in ARR. You run the risk of being a bit lost in ShB if you don't have a grasp of ARR.

Eeeh, that is debatable. While he's not directly involved, for 'twas her own conscious decision you can't really say he didn't have a hand in it. After all, if Middy hadn't sealed the blessing Moenbryda's suicide wouldn't have been necessary. The necessity of her sacrifice is directly impacted by our lack of blessing, if we had it she wouldn't have needed to die. Considering his callous reaction at the funeral, it does feel to me at least a little bit as petty revenge. So I'll always hate him a little for that, such actions are something Nidhogg would do.