Are the Skysteel Tools meant to be practically impossible?

I'm on the final step of the DoH relic and I can't even complete the craft, let alone get high enough collectability to trade it in.

I have a full set of level 80 Handsaint Gear and the market doesn't offer anything better than that, yet I still can't get the control/craftsmanship recommended.

Melded HQ Aesthete will give you better stats than Handsaint. Also, are you using food?

Yes I was using food. I saw the aesthete gear, but the stats weren't as good as the Handsaint.

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Originally Posted by Charity322

I saw the aesthete gear, but the stats weren't as good as the Handsaint.

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That's true if you only look at the base stats. Scrip gear can't be melded so once you add materia to the mix the crafted gear becomes better. Even with just regular materia and no overmelding the stats on the crafted sets are comparable, if not better.

Thanks for the information. Now I wonder why I spent all that time collecting scrips. Was pleased to have something that didn't require gil for once. Guess I need to find a moneymaking enterprise lol. Why would they make scrip gear non meldable? DX

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Originally Posted by Charity322

Thanks for the information. Now I wonder why I spent all that time collecting scrips. Was pleased to have something that didn't require gil for once. Guess I need to find a moneymaking enterprise lol. Why would they make scrip gear non meldable? DX

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FYI, up until now and still holds true and will most likely be true in the future, fully overmelded crafted gear will always be better than scrip gear of the about equivalent ilvl. Scrip gear there more so for people who don't want to get deep into crafting.

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Originally Posted by Charity322

Thanks for the information. Now I wonder why I spent all that time collecting scrips. Was pleased to have something that didn't require gil for once. Guess I need to find a moneymaking enterprise lol. Why would they make scrip gear non meldable? DX

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Handsaint gear doesn't need materia slots. It's sufficient for everything except Expert. Expert was designed specifically for crafters who use the most current pentamelded HQ gear.

You can get minimum rating needed on the final Skybuilder Tool stage using full Handsaint (2606 Craftmanship, 2454 Control, 507 CP) with HQ Chili Crab and HQ Cunning Syrup. It means making more items than would be needed if you took advantage of conditions as they occur but you'd still be able to get your tool.

/ac "Muscle Memory" <wait.3>
/ac Manipulation <wait.2>
/ac Veneration <wait.2>
/ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
/ac Groundwork <wait.3>
/ac Groundwork <wait.3>
/ac Groundwork <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
/ac "Inner Quiet" <wait.2>
/ac Manipulation <wait.2>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>

/ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
/ac Innovation <wait.2>
/ac "Basic Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Standard Touch" <wait.3>
/ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
/ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
/ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>

As a side note, you should also be able ot make your own HQ Aesthete gear using your Handsaint gear if you decide you want to go to the effort. If you can't gather what you need yourself, many of the materials are fairly cheap on the MB now.

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Originally Posted by Thamorian

FYI, up until now and still holds true and will most likely be true in the future, fully overmelded crafted gear will always be better than scrip gear of the about equivalent ilvl. Scrip gear there more so for people who don't want to get deep into crafting.

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Thanks. I've never ventured into expert recipes before, as this is the first time I've gotten a crafter to max level and the relic was the first time it came up.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Handsaint gear doesn't need materia slots. It's sufficient for everything except Expert. Expert was designed specifically for crafters who use the most current pentamelded HQ gear.

You can get minimum rating needed on the final Skybuilder Tool stage using full Handsaint (2606 Craftmanship, 2454 Control, 507 CP) with HQ Chili Crab and HQ Cunning Syrup. It means making more items than would be needed if you took advantage of conditions as they occur but you'd still be able to get your tool.

As a side note, you should also be able ot make your own HQ Aesthete gear using your Handsaint gear if you decide you want to go to the effort. If you can't gather what you need yourself, many of the materials are fairly cheap on the MB now.

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I have Botanist and Weaver at 80, so I might be able to make some stuff to boost my stats. I always forget that. XD Thanks.

At this point in time, I don't think it's worth pentamelding level 80 gear when we're three weeks away from going up to level 90.

Yeah, that is a point. Unfortunately then the Skysteel Tools will probably become obsolete too.

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Originally Posted by Charity322

Thanks for the information. Now I wonder why I spent all that time collecting scrips. Was pleased to have something that didn't require gil for once. Guess I need to find a moneymaking enterprise lol. Why would they make scrip gear non meldable? DX

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Because they use the script gear as a "catch up" mechanic, to let those who are behind the curve collect the easily obtainted scrips and get back to the point where they can then craft the gear needed to catch up.

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Originally Posted by Charity322

Yeah, that is a point. Unfortunately then the Skysteel Tools will probably become obsolete too.

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That's true with all gear in just about any MMO. Eventually new items get added with superior stats and previous gear gets replaced. For this game, it's about an 8 month cycle for replacement and we're down to less than a month before the cycle begins again (unless the player doesn't have plans to purchase the expansion for a while).

It works fine for the majority of gear since it's generally gained through normal game play. You're usually not going to extra effort to acquire a piece (short of farming a specific item for glamour). For relics (whether weapons or tools), the length of grind is worth a second look. Will the amount of use you get from the relic in the long run be worth the effort?

While we're on the subject?

The resistance weapons, I found the replicas of them...
Is there something like that for the skysteel that I've managed to miss?

Talk to Denys in Foundation and he should offer you Skysteel replicas.

Yeah, I probably won't do any more relics. Just wanted the achievement really, but it's not going to be worth repeating.

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

At this point in time, I don't think it's worth pentamelding level 80 gear when we're three weeks away from going up to level 90.

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My pentamelded BiS level caped gear so far has always carried me through the next expansion. I mean like 50 got me to 60 and then I had to upgrade for 3.1 etc. Rinse, repeat, every expansion so far.

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

My pentamelded BiS level caped gear so far has always carried me through the next expansion. I mean like 50 got me to 60 and then I had to upgrade for 3.1 etc. Rinse, repeat, every expansion so far.

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Sure, if you already have your BiS stuff then it will carry you through the next ten levels.

But that alone isn't a reason to get pentamelded stuff right now when less powerful gear will probably be enough. At most, maybe they need to pay for one set of level 85 gear along the way instead of being able to get all the way to 90. But you can also level through other paths like custom deliveries that don't need top level gear at all.

Custom deliveries are what I use to level + GC turn ins and Firmament turn ins.