Suggestion: Rename "Limited Job" to "Side Job"

"Limited job" has a negative connotation right now, and I also feel that it's kind of misleading.

For example, while Blue Mage currently can't do certain types of high-level content like Eureka and Ultimate fights, it does have some unique content that other jobs don't, such as blue logs, the Masked Carnivale, creating a layout subset from a higher number of available actions, and the unique mechanics involved with learning newer spells, among other things. Would we refer to Paladin as a "limited job" because they're not able to do the Masked Carnivale content? No, because a job being different and having access to different sets of content doesn't necessarily mean the same thing as limited.

I feel that "side job" or something else would be a more positive and accurate label for jobs like Blue Mage, which could also be used for future "limited jobs" like Beastmaster. "Limited" is misleading since a job having access to some existing content but also exclusive new content is "different" but not necessarily "limited" since there are pieces of content that it can access that other jobs can't.

"Side job" doesn't have to be the only possible replacement name either; that's just an idea that came to mind, so feel free to share other suggestions in this thread too. Thanks to any developers who read this as well! I hope that the category becomes renamed soon.

I'd personally prefer if it was shifted into a whole separate 'Disciple of ... ' category, ready made for dropping new unique customizable jobs into.

I personally like Disciple of Discovery, with Blue Mage discovering new monster magic, Beastmaster discovering new tameable monsters, and Puppetmaster discovering archeotech and engineering solutions.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I personally like Disciple of Discovery, with Blue Mage discovering new monster magic, Beastmaster discovering new tamable monsters, and Puppetmaster discovering archeotech and engineering solutions.

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I like this proposed name for side jobs! Puppetmaster also seems like a really fun side job idea after Beastmaster.

I like the "Disciple of Discovery" idea too... Limited Job sounds too derogatory even if it fits the job itself...

They could also change the icon color to purple or yellow!

The job is effectively limited as to what content it can participate in, pretending otherwise would only confuse new players further as explaining the situation nowadays is already bizarre enough.

Blue mage is barred from participating in the more prominent side activities in the game that aren’t 4 year old fights. No Eureka, Deep Dungeons, certainly no Bozja, only meme spells that can be used in a carnival for allied seals and Moogle Events every several months. I already managed to get the jacket from this event passively, without having to touch the T2 spam strat. I can only imagine how much less useful Beast Master would be.

Even gacha limited-time draw events have more longevity than this since at least you can take your 5 star character or weapon into actual content. There is nothing misleading about this classification.

I do like the idea of changing it to a different Disciple heading. I mean, it's not like I can take my Miner or my Weaver into dungeons, deep or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Raikai

I like the "Disciple of Discovery" idea too... Limited Job sounds too derogatory even if it fits the job itself...

They could also change the icon color to purple or yellow!

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I'd like yellow personally, the chocobo icon is yellow and your companion is already capable of multiple roles so I feel it fits pretty well.

Another parallel is that you also can't take your bird into Eureka or Deep Dungeons :p

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Even gacha limited-time draw events have more longevity than this since at least you can take your 5 star character or weapon into actual content.

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Try to define "actual content" and you'll find that it's a largely subjective term that can be further shaped by individual preferences. You've talked about your dislike of Blue Mage in other threads before and seem to not consider the Masked Carnivale or Blue Log content to fall under your definition of what is "actual" content, but plenty of other people (myself included) like the job and consider those things to be actual content that's uniquely available to the job, so what makes their subjective view less valid than yours?

What is it specifically that makes certain content that's exclusive to say Blue Mage not "actual content" compared to say ocean fishing? Ocean fishing is also a minigame, one that's specific to the Fisher job, and yet we don't call that a limited job, and we don't call Miner a "limited job" just because it can't access that piece of content that only Fisher can.

Again, I think it's misleading to arbitrarily refer to a certain job as a "limited job" just because it has certain unique content in place of certain (but not all) pieces of content in some other jobs. Paladin isn't a "limited job" just because it can't access the Masked Carnivale, or because its actions aren't selected from a larger set of learned actions for the sake of role and player variety, or because its actions are achieved through mostly leveling rather than via the unique mechanic of tracking down and killing very specific monsters after witnessing certain actions being used. "Different" and "unique" mean different things than what "limited" implies here, the latter of which also has a more negative (and yes, misleading) connotation.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

The job is effectively limited as to what content it can participate in, pretending otherwise would only confuse new players further as explaining the situation nowadays is already bizarre enough.

Blue mage is barred from participating in the more prominent side activities in the game that aren’t 4 year old fights. No Eureka, Deep Dungeons, certainly no Bozja, only meme spells that can be used in a carnival for allied seals and Moogle Events every several months. I already managed to get the jacket from this event passively, without having to touch the T2 spam strat. I can only imagine how much less useful Beast Master would be.

Even gacha limited-time draw events have more longevity than this since at least you can take your 5 star character or weapon into actual content. There is nothing misleading about this classification.

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I don't see the issue with confusion. All it takes is a disclaimer on job unlock, much like we get a popup with the job gauges explaining what they do once we unlock them.

I would even say that XIV in general does a pretty bad job at explaining things that aren't in the early levels to new players regardless of how it's called, most of it you learn by trial and error or google.

My suggestion is the rebrand Limited Jobs as Advanced Jobs. Advanced Jobs would have access to all of the game's content, just like normal jobs, but with more complex systems (like spell learning) and may have specialized content made just for them (like The Masked Carnival).

I want to also point out that side jobs don't have to be ironically limited to single roles; for instance, Blue Mage is also currently playable as a tank or healer role, not solely a DPS role. Is Black Mage a "limited job" because it can only be a DPS caster? Could Scholar be considered a "limited job" since it's only categorized as a healer? Blue Mage can fill in for any of the major three roles, which is something that none of the other three jobs do to a significantly notable degree... and before anyone brings it up, no, Summoner having a raise ability or Red Mage having a single healing spell is not equivalent in terms of the amount of role-specific actions that Blue Mage has for tank, healer, and DPS roles.

Again, just because a job has unique content and mechanics available to it doesn't mean that "limited" is the best label for it. Blue Mage has a unique method of learning spells, it has a larger total selection of actions that it can choose between, it has access to unique pieces of content like the Masked Carnivale and blue log challenges, and it's less limited when it comes to role assignments since it can be a DPS, healer, or tank.

The label "limited job" in many cases is misleading, negative, and extremely subjective. There's some content that Blue Mage can't participate in, but there's conversely some content that only Blue Mage can participate in, and there are unique gameplay mechanics that only Blue Mage has access to. If this is considered limited, then I could easily make similarly subjective arguments for other existing jobs as well.

Calling 2 slices of bread with some lettuce in between a "Special Sandwich!" doesn't change the fact that it's missing everything else that makes a sandwich interesting. Blue mage being banned from playing with others in current content feels just like that.

If anything, it would make more sense to drop the word "job" from the title and rename it to "Advanced Minigame!" because that's all it is-when it should have been a full fledged job with its added gimmick of learning spells from monsters.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Calling 2 slices of bread with some lettuce in between a "Special Sandwich!" doesn't change the fact that it's missing everything else that makes a sandwich interesting.

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Depends on what kind of sandwich you want.
I, personally, find BLU much more interesting than BLM.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Depends on what kind of sandwich you want.
I, personally, find BLU much more interesting than BLM.

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And BLM actually was able to participate in more than just a carnival this expansion. You got...a week or two of fun from the time the Blue patch updates launches to when everyone abandons the job again. I got to do Bozja, raids, and the msq with full jobs across my main and my alts. I personally find that more interesting than collecting 100 versions of the same potency attack spell in order to do the carnival and old fights I already cleared when they were current content.

So yeah, Advanced Minigame is sounding a lot more accurate.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

My suggestion is the rebrand Limited Jobs as Advanced Jobs. Advanced Jobs would have access to all of the game's content, just like normal jobs, but with more complex systems (like spell learning) and may have specialized content made just for them (like The Masked Carnival).

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This it it. This is the solution. Letting advanced jobs group up with each other, have their own duty finder, participate in current msq, etc. Don't have to worry about balancing 'full' jobs and everyone gets something good. All I want is to be able to enjoy my favorite job in the content I like doing.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

So yeah, Advanced Minigame is sounding a lot more accurate.

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I wasn't commenting on whether that's a more or less accurate name lol.
In fact, that's the only part of your post I wasn't responding to.

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Originally Posted by Tabbs

This it it. This is the solution. Letting advanced jobs group up with each other, have their own duty finder, participate in current msq, etc. Don't have to worry about balancing 'full' jobs and everyone gets something good. All I want is to be able to enjoy my favorite job in the content I like doing.

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Ah. There may have been a misunderstanding about my suggestion. Advanced jobs wouldn't be isolated from normal jobs in any way, shape, or form. The Advanced tag would only be indicative of such jobs not following the usual cookie cutter formula one would expect from having played other jobs. Spell learning being a prime example. They may have specially tailored content as well, but outside of that, they would be just like any other job in terms of balance and what content they can access.

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Originally Posted by Blueyes

Ah. There may have been a misunderstanding about my suggestion. Advanced jobs wouldn't be isolated from normal jobs in any way, shape, or form. The Advanced tag would only be indicative of such jobs not following the usual cookie cutter formula one would expect from having played other jobs. Spell learning being a prime example. They may have specially tailored content as well, but outside of that, they would be just like any other job in terms of balance and what content they can access.

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jokes on you, thats even better :) sounds less likely though in terms of what the dev team would actually do for limited jobs lol