I cannot for the love of me; sum the courage to join random pugs. I've tried my best to solo content in ARR but now it's impossible for I'm now on lvl 50 hard mode trails and such. I can't believe I managed to solo that far but this reliance on others is a huge punishment for someone like me.
I have nothing to bring to the party; except guilt and remorse. Does anyone have any tricks or tips on getting to lvl 60 in ARR? I might be able to solo the trails then.
I must be really stupid for asking but I feel trapped.
Why is the MSQ heavily dependent on groups?
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10-05-2021, 03:43 AMHugh_MercerWhy is the MSQ heavily dependent on groups?
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10-05-2021, 03:46 AMDBriggs304
I think you can still level via side quests, potd, ect. But you just can't progress through the msq.
And there will still be required group content at 60's, 70's, and 80's. -
10-05-2021, 03:51 AMEzekielBook
As a newbie to the game, I've found that just saying "Hey, first time here" or somesuch has gotten good results in people being forgiving, and sometimes even explaining the fights. If you're DPS, you just hit things like normal. If you're a tank, you just try and hit everything. If you're a healer, keep the tank alive, but I doubt you're playing healer if you don't like being in a group.
And if you're talking about a Raid, in ARR as I discovered, mostly you'll just be hanging around in a group, and other people will mostly be killing things for you. It's a little frustrating actually, but you don't have to worry much about not doing anything. -
10-05-2021, 04:02 AMHugh_Mercer
I can't bring myself to rely on others for anything. It feels wrong as hell. I don't know man; but every time I do sum the courage to ask for help in game I get these over whelming positive comments and It seriously makes me choke. It's physically hurting me when homies display acts of kindness when I have nothing to give in return.
This sounds like a personal problem I know; But I suppose years in WoW can force you into that habit of always needing to give to receive. -
10-05-2021, 04:09 AMEzekielBook
You don't have to discharge your obligations immediately. Just be determined to get good enough to help out other people later on.
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10-05-2021, 04:26 AMHugh_Mercer
It's not that I'm helpless; My gameplay is mostly optimized. I've leveled as many classes as I could and I'm confident I have better reactions then most.
It's that I have to extend my hand to others. It burdens me, so I must search for an alternative. As pointless as that may be.
I apologize, shouldn't of even posted this problem as selfish as it is. At least I know what the palace of the dead is now. -
10-05-2021, 05:02 AMPayadopa
I know it sounds harsh (I'm sorry lol)
but dear Lord, get over yourself. Nobody cares in DF. It's 15 minutes of spamming AoEs without anyone talking. It's not an earth shattering event. You'll be fiiiiiiiine~
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10-05-2021, 05:12 AMHugh_Mercer
Well I cared enough to to mention it and now I wish I could delete this thread.
*hits head against a wall* just kill me already -
10-05-2021, 05:36 AMJeeqbit
I understand being anxious. It's not uncommon at first. But don't worry about it. All of the content required for the MSQ is braindead easy. It's so easy that you could make 100 mistakes and die 5 times and nobody would care or even say anything.
In the very rare time they ever say something rude, you can report them and they will probably get banned.
People are used to it being your first time because the roulette system matches them with those queueing directly and because first timers usually queue directly, there is almost always a first timer (or multiple). They are used to someone dying all the time so it's the norm. The content doesn't sync well without the minimum IL setting, so gear level causes it to be even easier.
People are rewarded for it being your first time with a "first time bonus" of either experience or tomestones. The sprout icon helps them to recognise when you are new and that causes people to take that into account and explain mechanics if there is a wipe.
The only difficult and serious content is optional and will contain (Extreme), (Unreal), Minstrel's Ballad, Coil, (Savage) or (Ultimate) and you don't normally queue for these, but instead form a party of friends or use party finder. -
10-05-2021, 09:20 PMFrizze
I could share every leveling trick i know, and indeed by level 60 you should be able to solo the hard mode trials if you know the mechanics well enough. But i feel compelled to tell you this wont be enough. Shortly before the end of the level 50 MSQ and just before you start the Heavensward expansion the story is going to ask you to complete the Crystal Tower alliance raid series because it is important to the story. These instances cant really be unsync'd in a meaningful way. So to get through, you will have to accept a couple groups.
If it helps you to think this way, im happy to let you know that i will do damn near anything to get extra new player bonuses. They greatly help with a couple pieces of high-end content. Any day that i log in, i spend time searching the Party Finder list looking for bonuses i can claim. So your just being there as a first time player is giving me this bonus i greatly desire as long as we finish the instance. An arrangement i am happy to be a part of again and again. -
10-05-2021, 10:19 PMIckeDerTyp
OP, it's fine!
Just being part of a group is you already 'giving', and if you actually... like play and not just afk, you're also actually helping :D
DF is basically soloing things :p
Also, don't blame WoW for your feelings, or anyone for that matter, it's your own shadow ya gotta jump over and become Hokage! Or don't :3
It's up to you, and in the end its gotta feel nice and cozy for ya ^^
Goodluck adventuring! -
10-06-2021, 12:19 PMSeera1024
What you give is bonus rewards for the players who've been through the content before.
You get the "one or more" new players in there and you get bonus rewards for helping the new player(s) get through the content.
If you were on Aether data center, I'd volunteer to run with you. -
10-06-2021, 12:42 PMCanadaneQuote:
Originally Posted by Hugh_Mercer
The game is inherently a multiplayer experience, as much as the story wants to focus it's narrative on you.
Just keep in mind that by using random players you are giving them something. You're filling a slot to get the dungeon or the fight over with. You're helping them do what they want.
You don't have to do anything special. -
10-16-2021, 05:11 AMw0lfinn
I totally get it. I am so used to soloing everything while leveling, that being made to fo groups for dungeons for the MSQ has me slightly frazzled, specially since I love playing tank classes.
I am kind of looking at this, as to get me out of my shell.
Heck, my wife, who never does dungeons, till my tank can pretty much solo them, has actually done more dungeons than me right now.
Granted, I have leveled like 6 characters to when I have to do Pirates and then started something new and sometimes deleted.
Luckily, I kept my first guy, who is currently 20 Thau, 19 Mar and 19 Gla, and have just gone back to him, and doing Gladiator. So time to start doing some dungeons. :p
I did do Sastasha or how ever its spelled as my Thau, but really want to do these as tank, so gonna redo that, and right now outside the next dungeon till later tonight hopefully. -
10-25-2021, 03:46 AMCasti_EL
I have major social anxiety and felt the same way starting out on MMO games, especially FFXIV where a lot of content is locked behind group events so I completely understand where you're coming from. However, I've found most of the community in FF are very mature, understanding and helpful - it simply takes a quick "Hi, new to this" in party chat when starting out and as long as you're not a d!!k about any advice given and actually seem to be trying to learn, most people wont care if you make mistakes - it's all part of the learning experience.
Heck, I've been playing (on and off) since 2.3 and I can still run into some group content and get killed within seconds - I've yet to have anyone have a go at me about it and it's mostly laughed off (especially if I die with style - most memorable was one of the Stormblood dungeons where I got hit by a knockback that pushed me into another knockback and so on - I ping-ponged across the screen three times before stopping right in front of the boss and got cleaved - the party wiped because they were laughing too much about it, but I got all 3 commendations for brightening up their day :p ).
Unfortunately a lot of the game is locked behind group content so eventually you will need to do it. But, if you're too nervous about using Dungeon Finder for random grouping you could try asking members of your FC to help out. Best advice is to just jump in, have fun, and don't sweat it. -
10-25-2021, 10:48 AMStepjam
Gonna be blunt here my dude, but it's an MMO. Even for one like this, it's expected that you play with other people from time to time.
And as one other person said, most people won't even remember you 5 minutes after the instance ends unless you do something that's like deliberately obnoxious. Just go in, do your rotation, beat up bad guys, get out. Very few fights in MSQ are very hard, they are designed to be cleared in a few pulls tops when new, when they are old most players already know them by heart and are heavily overgeared.
Just take a deep breath and do it. Worst case scenario is you die a few times, but believe me, nobody will care if you are doing your best (and if they do, they are an uncommon asshole). -
10-26-2021, 04:07 AMBrightamethystMaybe try thinking about it from a pay-it-forward perspective. As new player you may not have anything to offer now, but down the road you'll be able to help future newbies in the same way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh_Mercer
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10-30-2021, 05:35 AMRiversideGuy
Oh boy, wait until you hit some of the solo duties laster in the MSQ where you have to fight as a job/class you no idea about. Boom you are in it, you get 2-3-4 new buttons and yer on your own. I can usually get by these on easy mode after 2-6 tries (there are many duties where you fight on your class/job but there is simple but VERY specific way to do the fight and the only way you can tell WHAT you need be doing is essentially running progression, something that might take over a 12 cracks at it.
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10-31-2021, 11:06 AMMonsoon_LuesI don't wanna be rude man but it is an mmo after all. And have you tried to work on this psychological issue at all? It is a mental block that can be overcomeQuote:
Originally Posted by Hugh_Mercer
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11-02-2021, 02:03 AMBreakbeatI agree with your sentiment 100%, however, it's important to note that not all "mental blocks" (mental illnesses) can be overcome. Even with medication and therapy. If they could, suicide would not be a top ten cause of human death, and homelessness / drug addiction / depression and anxiety wouldn't be real things, because people would just "get over it" before bad things happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Monsoon_Lues
Source: Lived with mental illness (bipolar, OCD, clinical depression, chronic anxiety, and body dysmorphic) for 41 of my 46 years, despite a plethora of medication, forty different therapists, psychiatrists, CBT, and people telling me to "cheer up" and "get over it" and just "go out with friends."
I am able to play FF and WoW and other online games because "virtual" socialization doesn't really bother me. Actual socialization can make me break down in tears if the timing is right.
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11-11-2021, 04:24 AMTulshe
Please no! Don't ask to make FF14 another singleplayer-mmo! I dropped TESO and GW2 because I had no necessity to join other players in hours. I'm a new player to FF14. But I absolutely love that it makes you cooperate from early levels. That's what MMO should do, because one M stands for multiplayer. Good MMOs should put tasks before you which you can't overcome alone. If you can't stand playing with other people, consider playing single-player games. Why even play MMOs if you don't want to cooperate. MMOs are not even good games if you put away social aspect and judge them by single-player games standards.