Live Letter Reaper Impressions

Have at it folks.

Looks cool af, and the gauges don't seem that simple at first glance. Fast as fuck too - I'll definitely be levelling it after BLM.

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Originally Posted by Reksanden

Looks cool af, and the gauges don't seem that simple at first glance. Fast as fuck too - I'll definitely be levelling it after BLM.

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From what I understood : You use a first set of Gcds to build the red gauge, using Ogcd spender on red gauge unlocks the use of a second set of Gcds to build the blue gauge and then use that one to go into super fast fusion mode.

RPR looks as expected, though the interaction with a party member is a bit of a surprise.
Doesn't look bad, per se, but doesn't look like anything that will get me to play it until I've levelled everything else I want to first.

Looks really cool, though I do hope there is an option to not have your glamour replaced in "Void mode" (not sure what the official term is called). Perhaps replace it with a red aura or something.

I need to find a new job to play I guess.

I'm glad to see the voidling does in fact act as an install super ~

hmmm Hrothgar hats..

Might actually be fun to play but not impressed with what they showed. Seems too weird and fiddly at first glance but it might all come together once I have it in my hands and spend time on a dummy.

This is really interesting.


Overview:
Soul (red): Fills through basic combo. Used to power oGCD attacks with Avatar. Each Avatar ability seems to cost 50 Soul.
Demonic Scythe: Stacks are gained by using an Avatar ability and last for 30 seconds. Most Avatar abilities give you 1 stack, except for Gluttony that lets you use two. These let you use your positional combo. The next step of your combo is dictated by the one you used last (Empowered Gibbet/Empowered Gallows buffs).
Shroud (blue): Fills through positional combo steps, killing enemies with Death Sign (your damage up debuff), or through consuming Offering of the Dead stacks during your raidwide buff. Lets you transform to do your main burst window.
Lemure Souls: You gain 5 of these when you enter into Shroud form. They look like flames. Every time you consume a flame, it leaves behind a purple orb. You can consume two purple orbs for an oGCD.

You have two main resources: Soul (red), and Shroud (blue). Soul fills quickly through your base combo and is used to power your oGCD attacks with your Avatar. Your Avatar grants you Demonic Scythe stacks, which in turn lets you use steps in your positional combo (Gibbet/Gallows). Your positional combo then lets you gain Shroud, which lets you do your burst window. You can alternatively gain Shroud from your raidwide buff, Arcane Circle, by consuming Offering of the Dead stacks.

Your base combo is Slice (300) > Waxing Slice (380) > Infernal Slice (460). Each step gives you 10 Soul. Your AoE combo is Spinning Scythe (140) > Nightmare Scythe (180). Harpe is your standalone ranged attack. Death Sign is a debuff that you have to keep up on mobs which buffs your damage by 10%. There's a single target and AoE way to apply this. Killing mobs with it active gives you 10 Shroud each.

Soul Scythe (460) and Soul Slice (AoE - 180) give you 50 Soul upfront, but are on a 30 second recast timer with 2 charges (shared between both abilities). You typically follow this up with an Avatar ability. Gluttony (500, AoE) is your priority but has a recast timer of 1 minute. This gives you two Demonic Scythes. Your other Avatar abilities, Stalk Swathe (400) and Thief Swathe (180, AoE), give you only 1 Demonic Scythe. This is used to power your positional combo. One thing that I don't understand about this is that Stalk Swathe seems to change to a new action (Gallows Claw) depending on which positional buff is up, but I can't tell what the difference is between the two other than the icon. I'll have to have another look at that in more detail.

Your positional combo consists of Gibbet (flank) and Gallows (rear). You need Demonic Scythe stacks to use them. Each gives you 460 potency at baseline, but they also give you a 1 minute empowered buff that tells you what positional to use next for bonus potency (520). You basically alternate between these as you gain Scythe stacks. These are really important because they are your baseline way to build Shroud. Guillotine is the AoE equivalent (200).

When you enter Shroud form, it upgrades many of your actions to new ones. The standard rotation for this window appears to be Upgraded Gibbet, Upgraded Shroud, oGCD, Upgraded Gibbet, Upgraded Shroud, oGCD, Communio (finisher).

In terms of raid buffs, you have Arcane Circle, a raid buff that increases everyone's DPS by 3% for 20 seconds every minute. For every unique party member that lands a hit during the first 5 seconds of this window, you gain 1 Offering of the Dead stack, to a maximum of 8. You consume these to put out Plentiful Harvest, a big AoE. You also have a mini-TBN (10% of max HP) that you apply to yourself. If it breaks, everyone gets lifesteal for 15 seconds.

Breakdown:
The Reaper job demo starts from around 02:46:50 on Twitch.

02:47:05: Soul Sow. This puts up an unlimited duration buff that can be consumed later to perform Harvest Moon, which replaces the action when the buff is up. Because it's used out of combat in this instance, it's instant cast. You'll see later on when he uses it that it normally has a 5 second cast in combat.

02:47:16: Arcane Circle. This is a raidwide party buff that increases party members' damage by 30 seconds. You'll see that three new buffs appear. From left to right, these are:
1) Ritual Circle (5 seconds): Lets you make an Offering of the Dead. This gets consumed on the first GCD you execute with it active. You can get 1 stack from each party member.
2) Offering of the Dead (6 seconds): Lets you collect Offering of the Dead stacks from party members, which you use to execute Plentiful Harvest.
3) Arcane Circle (20 seconds): 3% damage up.
You don't get to see how Offering stacks/Plentiful Harvest work here, because Ritual Circle falls off before he gets to use a weaponskill on the dummy. Which is important, because this will give you the 50 Shroud needed to transform, as you'll see later.

02:47:21: Death Sign. This puts a 30 second debuff on the target that increases your personal damage by 10%. If the target dies with this on, you gain 10 Shroud. The AoE version of this is Whirl of Death.

02:47:24: Soul Scythe: Weaponskill (460 potency, +50 Soul). This gains charges every 30 seconds and shares charges with its AoE form, Soul Slice (180 potency, +50 Soul). The maximum number of charges that you can have is 2.

02:47:28: Gluttony: Avatar Ability (500 potency, -50 Soul, +2 Demonic Scythe stacks, 60 second recast). This is the only Avatar ability that I see that grants you two Demonic Scythe stacks. This allows for the positional combo to be used two times in a row.

02:47:30: Gibbet: Weaponskill, flank positional (460 potency/520 if empowered, -1 Demonic Scythe stack, +10 Shroud, +Empowered Gallows). The rightmost buff here (1 minute duration) is Empowered Gallows, which means that you should use Gallows as your next Demonic Scythe move. This is subtle, but you can see that it also changes Stalk Swathe (Row 2, Action 5) to a different action, Gallows Claw.

02:47:33: (Empowered) Gallows: Weaponskill, rear positional (460 potency/520 if empowered, -1 Demonic Scythe stack, +10 Shroud, +Empowered Gibbet). The Empowered Gallows buff gets consumed and is replaced by Empowered Gibbet (1 minute duration), telling you to use Gibbet as your next Demonic Scythe move. But we're out of Demonic Scythes for the moment. This also changes Gallows Claw back to Stalk Swathe (Row 2, Action 5).

02:47:39: Harvest Moon: Spell (600 potency AoE, range 25y, radius 5y). This consumes the Soul Sow buff that was applied pre-pull. (Replaced by Animal Crossing. Just kidding.)

02:47:42: Gap extender: Ability (20 second recast, shared recast with Gap closer). Propels player backwards a fixed distance. This converts your gap closer to a portal action for 10 seconds that lets you teleport back to where you previously were. It also grants a 15 second buff that causes the fist icon to light up (Row 1, Action 3).

02:47:49: Slice. Weaponskill (300 potency, +10 Soul). First step in your standard combo.

02:47:51: Waxing Slice. Weaponskill (380 potency, +10 Soul). Second step in your standard combo. Note that Death Sign falls off the target dummy here.

02:47:53: Infernal Slice: Weaponskill (460 potency, +10 Soul). Final step in your standard combo.

02:47:56: Slice again. That fist buff falls off unused.

02:48:01: Waxing Slice again.

02:48:04: Infernal Slice again.

02:48:08: Arcane Crest (Ability, 5 second duration, 30 second recast). This prevents damage up to 10% of your max HP (mini-TBN). If the barrier breaks, you and nearby party members gain an Activated Crest buff for 15 seconds that gives you all lifesteal.

02:48:09: Stalk Swathe: Avatar Ability (400 potency, -50 Soul, +1 Demonic Scythe - cannot boost your total to 2).

02:48:11: Gibbet again, from the flank to consume the Demonic Scythe just generated. Stalk Swathe's action gets swapped for Gallows Claw again.

02:48:14: Soul Scythe again, to gain 50 Soul.

02:48:18: Stalk Swathe again, although this time it's been changed to Gallows Claw because of Empowered Gallows being up. The animation is different, but I'm not sure what's changed.

02:48:22: Gallows again.

02:48:24: Soul Scythe again, to gain 50 Soul.

02:48:27: Stalk Swathe again, +1 Demonic Scythe.

02:48:30: Gibbet again. Finally at 50 Shroud!

02:48:54: Transformation time! Lemure Shroud, 30 second duration, 15 second recast. Lemures are restless spirits of the unburied dead. You get 5 flames (Lemure Souls) on your gauge. Avatar abilities are not usable while this is active, unsurprisingly. It looks like this upgrades your Demonic Scythe combo (Gibbet and Gallows) and replaces them with two new actions. The other thing that it does is replace the Stalk Swathe ability (Avatar) with some new action that looks like an oGCD that you can weave between each step. It also looks like you replace Thief Swathe, which is the AoE version of this.

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02:51:42: Soul Sow again. Note that because he hasn't left combat, there's now a 5 second cast for putting up this buff instead of it being instant cast.

02:51:49: Arcane Circle again.

02:51:52: Soul Scythe again. Note that when he uses it this time, he catches the Ritual Circle effect (leftmost buff) from Arcane Circle. This consumes the buff and gives him a stack of Offering of the Dead. He can continue to collect Offerings from other players as long as the Offering of the Dead buff (second buff from the left) is up. Offering of the Dead stacks up to a maximum of 8 (one from each player).

02:51:53: Gluttony again. +2 Demonic Scythe.

02:51:54: Gibbet.

02:51:56: Gallows.

02:52:00: Plentiful Harvest. Line AoE (520-800 potency, depending on number of Offering of the Dead stacks consumed, +50 Shroud if at least one stack consumed). This, coupled with Arcane Circle, allows you to jump directly back into Shroud form again.

02:52:02: Lemure Shroud again. Note that it only consumes 50 Shroud, leaving 20 Shroud still on the bar.

02:52:05: Shroud version of Gibbet. Doesn't seem position dependent. Doesn't change the actively ticking Empowered Gibbet buff, either. Grants an additional buff that matches the icon for the Shroud version of Gallows. Consumes 1 Flame, turning it into a purple Orb.

02:52:07: Shroud version of Gallows. Again, doesn't seem position dependent, but consumes the buff that was just applied, and consumes 1 Flame, turning it into a second Orb. When this happens, the oGCD button lights up.

02:52:08: Shroud version of Stalk Swathe. oGCD, consumes two purple Orbs.

02:52:09: Shroud version of Gibbet.

02:52:10: Shroud version of Gallows.

02:52:11: Shroud version of Stalk Swathe.

02:52:12: Communio: Spell (1000 potency, 1.3s cast time, 2.5s recast, 1 Lemure Soul). This is the finisher for the Shroud window and uses up your last flame (and orb). It also ends the Shroud effect regardless of how much time you have left. Interestingly, Empowered Gibbet is still up, ticking away until you get back into your standard Demonic Scythe combo.

02:52:18: Harvest Moon again. You can see that this has some range to it.

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02:52:39: Soul Slice again. +50 Soul.

02:52:57: Gluttony again. +2 Demonic Scythe.

02:52:59: Gibbet.

02:53:01: Gallows.

02:53:04: Soul Slice.

02:53:05: Stalk Swathe. +1 Demonic Scythe.

02:53:07: Gibbet.

02:53:12: Lemure Shroud.

02:53:16: Shroud Gibbet.

02:53:18: Shroud Gallows.

02:53:18: Shroud oGCD.

02:53:19: Shroud Gibbet.

02:53:20: Shroud Gallows.

02:53:20: Shroud oGCD.

02:53:21: Communio.

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02:54:00: Gap Closer. This time, the Gap Extender button changes to the portal icon, ready to bring you back to your starting point if you press it again in the next 10 seconds. I note that the 15 second fist buff shows up again.

02:54:05: Soul Slice.

02:54:06: Gluttony. +2 Demonic Scythes.

02:54:07: Gibbet.

02:54:09: Gallows.

A lot of the remaining two minutes seems to be just variations on this.

Now that we have the basic vocabulary down, let's have a look at the action trailer again.

Action Trailer:
1. Soul Sow.
2. Harpe.
3. Gap closer.
4. Death Sign.
5. Soul Scythe.
5. Arcane Crest. Player takes damage and Activated Crest buff gets applied to Reaper and Bard.
6. Thief Swathe.
7. Gibbet.
8. Arcane Circle. Bard shoots the Hexeyes and the Reaper gains an Offering Stack.
9. Soul Scythe.
10. Gluttony.
11. Gibbet.
12. Gallows.
13. Gap extender.
14. Harvest Moon (consumes Soul Sow).
15. Portal back.
16. Plentiful Harvest (consumes Offering stacks).
17. Lemure Shroud.
18. Upgraded Gibbet.
19. Upgraded Gallows.
10. Upgraded oGCD.
21. Upgraded Gibbet.
22. Upgraded Gallows.
23. Upgraded oGCD.
24. Communio.

All in all, this looks surprisingly complex. The core gameplay flow seems straightforward enough, but I don't think that many people will intuitively grasp how it's put together without some external guidance. There's about 4 resource systems here, with multiple rolling buff icons. I'm surprised that they kept the Demonic Scythe stacks and the Empowered Gibbet/Gallows buff icons separate from the UI elements, as this is the sort of the thing it's there for. Even the raid buff window requires some thought and the stacks you gain from teammates allow you to jump into another Shroud window.

I chuckled when I read the earlier comment about this being too fiddly. It was either going to be dismissed as that or 'lol mind-numbingly easy', so you can see that the dev team gets flak regardless of what they do. Kudos for them taking a risk on it. Enjoy it while can if you're one of the few weird players who actually likes job complexity (instead of the majority who just brags about it and promptly turns tail at the first hint of a challenge), because I envision this is going to be simplified down to a shadow of what it presently is faster and harder than GNB's 'revamped' IR combo (111111).

Much and Many thanks for your post, Lyth.

My own Reaper impression is simple... Reaper is More or Less what we Dark Knight players did want for Dark Knight...high Speed, complexity, fancy dark magic, and looks like Reaper even does sustain DPS more than Burst DPS...
with how fast the resources are built up and spent, it looks like constant sustained bursts, rather than slow Warrior burst nonsense...

To me, Reaper seems to be the shut-up about original Dark Knight shiny replacement, and I will definite throw Dark Knight in the trash and complete Abandon it, to play as and with this what looks to be a very great replacement...

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I like the idea of stained DPS and spending the resource, for the most part, as you get it. It makes things more fun for me since I don't have to hold it for the right time all the time. The only exception being the shroud guage and raid buff windows.

Reaper will probably be the most fun I've had with a DPS in a long time. It also looks like at least the second most savage looking fighting asthetic class in the game. I love the thought using the voidsent as an oGCD on a regular basis and fusing with it in a pure wrath-like state.

Mr happy also has a preliminary video about reaper. He brings to light what the community has translated so far. My opinion is skill speed will be important. How much? Not sure. You'll want to build soul guage as quickly and consistently as possible to grant access to your shroud builders. Getting into shroud form and in raid buff windows will be crucial. Remember, everything is subject to change.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eap9y6oeLmI

Skill information.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...ulTneKO9M/edit

Skills sorted by level.

https://imgur.com/a/hBjIjKw

Edit: I compared SPOOKY MODE model changes between the 3 we have and they generally all look the same with being a robed hooded character...so diversity in appearance will just be slightly different? RIP glamour for burst mode I guess.

What I do love about it though is the battle stance changes to a more aggressive style. Instead of being more relaxed you get more predatory like an animal. Very cool.

Was unimpressed initially but after reading the tooltips and then rewatching the job trailer and liveletter again I think I get it now and I actually really like what they're doing on paper. It's going to be a pretty unique job that doesn't play quite like any other dps. I'm more on board now and will make unlocking it the first thing I do on Endwalker launch, but do still need to spend some time on a dummy to decide on if I then want to level it or stick with sam for my main.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

This is really interesting.


Overview:
<Extremely thorough and useful breakdown>

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I'm just feeling all kinds of defeated by how similar this ultimately seems to play out to some Blood (or Soul) | Shadow concepts I'd seen theorized for DRK...

Looking forward to RPR, though... even if, obviously, not another banal iteration of DRK.

Reaper basically is Dark Knight in everything but name. The XI Death Scythe as a preorder bonus for the job pretty much confirms this.

I was wondering about teleport orb.
Is it a part of the rotation or just a situational skill.

I think that they will be situational movement utility, as Harpe is just a basic long-range attack, and the buff given to Harpe is just instant cast...

In my opinion, I see no reason why the teleports need to be wasted as part of a rotation, like with Tank gap-closers.

The warp might have an associated buff with Harpe or Harvest Moon but I think the warp will see great use in PvP and dodging AoEs in fights and when warping back in.

According to mr happy (so take with a grain of salt) using the warp makes your next harpe instant instead of 1.3s cast time, so if that's the case it isn't good enough to make it into the rotation.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

According to mr happy (so take with a grain of salt) using the warp makes your next harpe instant instead of 1.3s cast time, so if that's the case it isn't good enough to make it into the rotation.

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Definitely not since the warp looks kind of slow in comparison to other melee gap closers. Good for a last second retreat from an AoE while keeping the gcd rolling though.

To this day, I still wonder how SE decides which mechanics go on the job gauge and which doesn't.

As it is, outside of the dumb gauges, you'll have to look at your buffs for at least Demonic Sythe (probably the main offender that could have been on the gauge), Offerings of the Dead stacks and Soul Sow.

I'm actually surprised they went in a more "complicated" direction for this job with a lot of spinning plates. You know freestyle RPR will be the new flavor of freestyle SAM.

I quite welcome the sudden complexity, I was 100% fully ready for Reaper to be another AFK job like DNC, but I'm surprised to see my expectations be blown out of the water. Perhaps I treated you too harshly, SE.

Reaper doesn't seem complex though, at least not really? Like, it's a bunch of interlocking systems that comes off as complex because they all seem weird and the whole mess takes a bunch of sentences to explain, but the actual moment to moment gameplay is basic. Do 1 combo to build up a resource to do an ogcd attack that lets you do another combo that builds shroud that you can then use for a burst phase. At least with the information we have now, if I were to rank melee dps complexity, it would go mnk (personal bias because I can't play mnk worth a dang)> nin > sam post tsubame > rpr > drg > sam pre-tsubame.

Related to this, the big question for me now with reaper is what do you do between burst phases? Because as it is, the answer looks to be not a whole lot. Maintain the increased damage debuff, 1-2-3 combo to build soul, ogcd to spend it, a single hit of the shroud generators, and every 30 seconds that gcd that makes 50 soul and that seems to be it. And the burst phase just takes so long to get into. Like compare it to mch. MCH gets into it's fancy pants attack mode in 10 gcd's. 10 gcd's on rpr is only going to be 20 or 30 of the 50 shroud you need. And mch also has a lot more cool stuff to be doing and keeping track of while it's cd's are winding down where the rpr doesn't.
Thopug
So dunno, the flow just kinda seems a lot like ninja. A very hectic job during the opener and every minute thereafter, but pretty prosaic at all other times. Though it's gonna whip during dungeon trash since you get shroud on kills, that is going to be a good time.

That is just the difference between complex and difficult, I think. The Reaper does seem to be complex, but once you play it and get used to that complexity, it is not a difficult complexity, and more on the easy to play side.

It's going to be a builder spender(2 builder spenders actually) just less braindead then Dragoon. Which now Dragoon more or less has a braindead rotation now with a few positionals to feel "engaging".

Does anyone know if Reaper will have any GCD speed increasing skills like Huton/Shifu, or any traits etc?

Am hoping Reaper will be more like Lancer with slow but strong attacks and lots of double weaves.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_

Does anyone know if Reaper will have any GCD speed increasing skills like Huton/Shifu, or any traits etc?

Am hoping Reaper will be more like Lancer with slow but strong attacks and lots of double weaves.

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They don't have an attack speed buff (or at least one wasn't shown) but lemure sets your gcd to 1.5 seconds for the duration so it's basically mch overheat and you will occasionally go very fast.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

They don't have an attack speed buff (or at least one wasn't shown) but lemure sets your gcd to 1.5 seconds for the duration so it's basically mch overheat and you will occasionally go very fast.

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It's a shame that fixed GCDs waste Skill Speed, too. I'd have loved a speedy RPR, but with that, the stat's probably going to be far inferior to the standard Crit>DHit>Det.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Reaper doesn't seem complex though, at least not really? Like, it's a bunch of interlocking systems that comes off as complex because they all seem weird and the whole mess takes a bunch of sentences to explain, but the actual moment to moment gameplay is basic.

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This. As long as there are no actual gameplay-affecting conditions or multiple decision paths to work around, it will be more "convolution" than actual "complexity".

Using Arcane Circle on its own guarantees Lemure Shroud once per minute at bare minimum, even if you don't do anything else. Mob deaths with Death Sign up give you 10 extra Shroud each. You're going to get at least two uses every minute, and more in AoE.

Death Sign shroud gain is completely irrelevant in trials/raids where nothing dies unless you have an add phase.

Ressources floating for raid buff windows will also probably requires proper management and planning to have the best burst possible. And the opener will probably be an affair of trying to get as close to 2 lemure windows outside of raid buffs.

Eh it won't matter if you get Shroud gain or not since Death Sign upkeep is going to be a part of our rotation for the +10% dmg. DPS Storm's Eye. I can see building 100 Shroud and doing mega burst with 2 Lemure's and using a Arcane circle to force a third be a thing.

In Dungeons I think Lemure Shroud is going to happen very often like Lyth said.

i hope this class has more identity than just shadow the hedgehog oww the edge

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

Reaper doesn't seem complex though, at least not really? Like, it's a bunch of interlocking systems that comes off as complex because they all seem weird and the whole mess takes a bunch of sentences to explain, but the actual moment to moment gameplay is basic. Do 1 combo to build up a resource to do an ogcd attack that lets you do another combo that builds shroud that you can then use for a burst phase. At least with the information we have now, if I were to rank melee dps complexity, it would go mnk (personal bias because I can't play mnk worth a dang)> nin > sam post tsubame > rpr > drg > sam pre-tsubame.

Related to this, the big question for me now with reaper is what do you do between burst phases? Because as it is, the answer looks to be not a whole lot. Maintain the increased damage debuff, 1-2-3 combo to build soul, ogcd to spend it, a single hit of the shroud generators, and every 30 seconds that gcd that makes 50 soul and that seems to be it. And the burst phase just takes so long to get into. Like compare it to mch. MCH gets into it's fancy pants attack mode in 10 gcd's. 10 gcd's on rpr is only going to be 20 or 30 of the 50 shroud you need. And mch also has a lot more cool stuff to be doing and keeping track of while it's cd's are winding down where the rpr doesn't.
Thopug
So dunno, the flow just kinda seems a lot like ninja. A very hectic job during the opener and every minute thereafter, but pretty prosaic at all other times. Though it's gonna whip during dungeon trash since you get shroud on kills, that is going to be a good time.

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I think your overrating MCH and contradicting yourself on the meaning of complexity as you said “it’s a lot of interlocking system that comes off as complex because it’s weird and takes a sentence to explain” which is MCH burst phase. Yes the opener has your spastically and unappealingly spam 6 ogcds plus 2 gcd plus skills like Reassemble WF and Barrel stabilizer but you will never be at the same place as your opener and the job slows to a crawl essentially forever until you die or transition. MCH greatest trick is fooling its mains that it’s complex, fast or busy. Which is so synonymous and incredibly inaccurate that makes me wonder what job are people talking about. Off topic but don’t compare any job to MCH, unless it’s a ranged as it won’t compete favorably

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Originally Posted by Lyth

Using Arcane Circle on its own guarantees Lemure Shroud once per minute at bare minimum, even if you don't do anything else. Mob deaths with Death Sign up give you 10 extra Shroud each. You're going to get at least two uses every minute, and more in AoE.

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With at least 2 a minute, people will try and figure out the best way to achieve 3 or more if possible.

I don't think reaper will be hard, the again none of the melee dps really are. They just each have their annoying quirks.

Except drg, which is a pleasant experience.

I'm hoping everyone gets bored of rpr. I'll still play it since I play for what is visually appealing and let's me continue hitting buttons. Rpr seems like it will allow me to do that and it is more visually appealing than other melee dps. Getting good and learning raid their fights will come naturally when you enjoy something.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I think your overrating MCH and contradicting yourself on the meaning of complexity as you said “it’s a lot of interlocking system that comes off as complex because it’s weird and takes a sentence to explain” which is MCH burst phase. Yes the opener has your spastically and unappealingly spam 6 ogcds plus 2 gcd plus skills like Reassemble WF and Barrel stabilizer but you will never be at the same place as your opener and the job slows to a crawl essentially forever until you die or transition. MCH greatest trick is fooling its mains that it’s complex, fast or busy. Which is so synonymous and incredibly inaccurate that makes me wonder what job are people talking about. Off topic but don’t compare any job to MCH, unless it’s a ranged as it won’t compete favorably

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Yeah MCH isn't complex at all. It's rather braindead actually. All you really do is use Ricochet and Gauss in between every GCD and recharge your oGCDs with every volley of Heat Blast. And since GR/R are abilities they don't benefit from Hypercharge at all which only buffs weapon skills.

And I think the PPS for AQ doesn't matter whether it is at 50 or 100 battery either so it's all really the same.

The stuff looks cool but after all is said and done it's a boring job to play.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

I think your overrating MCH and contradicting yourself on the meaning of complexity as you said “it’s a lot of interlocking system that comes off as complex because it’s weird and takes a sentence to explain” which is MCH burst phase. Yes the opener has your spastically and unappealingly spam 6 ogcds plus 2 gcd plus skills like Reassemble WF and Barrel stabilizer but you will never be at the same place as your opener and the job slows to a crawl essentially forever until you die or transition. MCH greatest trick is fooling its mains that it’s complex, fast or busy. Which is so synonymous and incredibly inaccurate that makes me wonder what job are people talking about. Off topic but don’t compare any job to MCH, unless it’s a ranged as it won’t compete favorably

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I was originally going to post about how I didn't mean to compare mch and rpr's complexity, I was originally posting about how the job flow feels and comparing lemure and overheat specifically since they are fairly similar and how much more often a mch will overheat. But now that I've thought about it over breakfast, I actually probably would say that mch is more complex than rpr, at least on paper. I think rpr's burst phase is going to be more complex for sure, but then once you are outside of that burst phase, reaper has even less going on than mch does. I'm not going to go hard on this argument quite yet because I need hands on time with rpr to see how those gauges actually play out in a real combat scenario and if there are actually pitfalls to avoid, but it kinda looks like there aren't any.