[Request] Please utilise the achievement certificate system more frequently!

I've been meaning to make a thread based around this subject for a while now and I suppose this is as good a time as any. When I first began playing this game, back in the early days of ARR, I found it delightful that every month or so I would be sent a a reward in the mail as part of the veteran reward system.

It was argued that, after a certain point, it would take too long for newer players to catch up and obtain all of the veteran rewards and so the system was quietly retired and replaced with something far more accessible - namely the achievement certificate system.

This has, however, been woefully underutilised to the point where new additions are few and far between despite each new content patch adding a fair number of new achievements.

Simply put, my request is that more attention is paid to the system in question - especially during periods of content lulls. I'm sure many players, new and veteran alike, would appreciate seeing a cool mount, minion or glamour added to the achievement certificate vendor every three months or so.

I do not believe that such would be too much work for the development team to handle, especially since it would be a great way to begin implementing requests from the community that may not necessarily fit elsewhere.

Another benefit is, of course, further incentive to pursue achievements in the first place - as currently they exist largely for bragging rights on many fronts.

So, in terms of what rewards could potentially be added to the vendor I am very curious as to what suggestions people here have!

Also the issue where long time players like myself had all the veteran rewards when they retired that system so there's been just about nothing worthwhile to use those achievement points on as they continue to accumulate.

I used to go to the achievement guy every big patch excited hoping they added something new.
I've stopped going ^^"
Its another feature thats nice for newbies, but does nothing for veterans playing 14 for years.
I have so many achievement points, but nothing to spend them on...

If only there was a mount that recently came out that would’ve been perfect to kickstart the achievement point shop…

At the very least throw a few tome vouchers on it :P

You can get your veteran rewards and achievement items conveniently from the mogstore.

For money.

I know they would never, but since achievement tokens are a currency that has a cap, adding fantasias to redeem. Fantas are such a popular item that I feel like even if it's only to get like, 1 fanta for 30 or 50 tokens, it'd encourage people to do some achievement hunting.

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Originally Posted by ZedxKayn

I know they would never, but since achievement tokens are a currency that has a cap, adding fantasias to redeem. Fantas are such a popular item that I feel like even if it's only to get like, 1 fanta for 30 or 50 tokens, it'd encourage people to do some achievement hunting.

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All mogstation items should be put into the achi vendor, as an alternative. As it stands now, the tokens are worthless.

I don't particularly chase achievements, but even I have accrued a lot of certs and have nothing to spend them on. So yes, would be in favour of some more stuff being added. More music, random minions and mounts are great. Some glamour items might be nice. I haven't got anything specific in mind as of now; might edit with ideas if I have any.

Throw in some dyes or fantasia and people will burn through those certificates in no time.

that system is like gold saucer, one update each expansion (saying it like a joke but if i think about it not really)

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Throw in some dyes or fantasia and people will burn through those certificates in no time.

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Not I says me... I still have the free Fantasias I got from doing the quests when I started the game lol

Would love them to add stuff to that. It was really nice when I was new and I am sad there is nothing new in there since I joined the game.

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

I used to go to the achievement guy every big patch excited hoping they added something new.
I've stopped going ^^"
Its another feature thats nice for newbies, but does nothing for veterans playing 14 for years.
I have so many achievement points, but nothing to spend them on...

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You know if they made fantasia purchasable with achievement points that would be nice. I don't think they should go all in and make everything on the cash shop purchasable via points, just fantasia and dyes would suffice imo cuz that's the real endgame. It will also be the Untradable version of dyes so it can't be sold on the MB and is purely character bound.

The last thing I remember getting from this was the Magitek Deathclaw mount. Would be nice to get something beyond that.

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

I have so many achievement points, but nothing to spend them on...

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Unfortunately, I suspect this precisely why they haven't added much of anything. They realized veteran players have so many achievement points they aren't actually being incentivized to do additional content. At the same time, they don't want to make something overly expensive since it'll be out of reach for new players. At least for a considerably long time.

Why should they when they can just put the rewards on mogstation? Save the players some hassle from doing extra work right?

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Unfortunately, I suspect this precisely why they haven't added much of anything. They realized veteran players have so many achievement points they aren't actually being incentivized to do additional content. At the same time, they don't want to make something overly expensive since it'll be out of reach for new players. At least for a considerably long time.

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I remember it didn't take long to claim most of the achievement stuff when I started. The game is absolutely generous with achievement points so new players will still get the stuff without much trouble and if game ever adds stuff that cost more than 6 coins, then player will save up and get that first.

I did with the mounts and cleaned up the rest later.
Not much of an excuse on that, they just realised it would be giving more free stuff without that much of work unless they lock behind an actual achievement

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

You can get your veteran rewards and achievement items conveniently from the mogstore.

For money.

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Which ones is veteran rewards that is in the store?

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

The last thing I remember getting from this was the Magitek Deathclaw mount. Would be nice to get something beyond that.

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I think the last thing they added after releasing that mount was the bandana or a scroll, like in the beginning of SB

I think the komainu minion came later? Not completely positive on that.

I agree. Fold the achievement and veteran point systems into one thing and actually add content to it once in a while.

Heck, if they really wanted, I would be fine with them offering a store coupon system as a potential reward. Exchange a certain amount of points for a 10% off coupon that you could stack for up to 50% off any one item in the store such that you could get the 50% off every half year or so. While I consider many of the store items to be overpriced, if I could get them at 50% off I would actually consider buying some of them.

I've voiced on this whenever this comes up:

My wish is simply to allow us to exchange veteran/achievement tokens for MogStation rewards, even if it's at a crazy rate.
I have 10,210 achievement points currently and apparently I have 192 of the currency. I wouldn't expect it to buy something like the Lunar Whale or whatever, but something as simple as $0.10 per point would net me a $19 purchase after all these years. Or make it exchange to Crysta so I can put it towards something I want.



That's the thing I don't think SE thinks about- There's an untapped market out there for people like me:

To date, I've not spent a single cent in the MogStation, but I have spent maybe 50-$100 in the GuildWars 2 shop...simply because I could use in-game means to earn currency for their shop... which I then add $5 bucks or whatever to make it enough to get the thing I want.

As an example, the new Cruise Chaser is 29.99 USD; I'd pay an additional 10 for that on top of 19.00 from my achievement currency. 30? a bit much...

While I definitely want them to give us more things to do with the achievement points and the certificates, I do not want the cash shop involved whatsoever. I'd rather keep that wholly separate, and it'd be ripe for abuse for people hacking accounts, stealing their certificate points, and using them to buy regift items to sell on eBay.

Instead, I like the idea of adding another in game source of fantasias, of rare dyes like jet black and pure white (the unsellable ones, not general purpose) like you can get with gold feathers, or a direct trade for Poetics. New items would be great too!

Sitting on 16,540 achievement points and 317 currency on my character, with absolutely nothing left to spend it on.

But....giving away free things doesn't make money!

I'm pleased to see that there's a decent amount of support for this! Hopefully our community representatives will see it and pass it along to the development team.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I'm pleased to see that there's a decent amount of support for this! Hopefully our community representatives will see it and pass it along to the development team.

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Looking at the threads that are open, I doubt we even have mods here anymore.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

While I definitely want them to give us more things to do with the achievement points and the certificates, I do not want the cash shop involved whatsoever. I'd rather keep that wholly separate, and it'd be ripe for abuse for people hacking accounts, stealing their certificate points, and using them to buy regift items to sell on eBay.

Instead, I like the idea of adding another in game source of fantasias, of rare dyes like jet black and pure white (the unsellable ones, not general purpose) like you can get with gold feathers, or a direct trade for Poetics. New items would be great too!

Sitting on 16,540 achievement points and 317 currency on my character, with absolutely nothing left to spend it on.

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Perhaps just adding certain Mogstation items as purchasables within the Achievement vendor isn't a bad call- I definitely support consumables like Fantasia or dye, but would also like to see more...interesting choices. Maybe old event rewards that were originally free anyway.

I don't think it'd be too difficult to come up with ideas for unique rewards, at any rate. For example for minions, how about a Wind-Up Arenvald or Wind-Up Riol? Or a Wind-Up Lahabrea?

I'd love to see more achivement rewards in general. I've said for awhile now I'd like to see healer mounts added, as an example. Healers are often the most needed class in the DF, this could revitalize queues and reward players who already play healers often. Other achievements just make sense to have a proper attached reward, and more rewards would make achievement hunting more palatable.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'd love to see more achivement rewards in general. I've said for awhile now I'd like to see healer mounts added, as an example. Healers are often the most needed class in the DF, this could revitalize queues and reward players who already play healers often. Other achievements just make sense to have a proper attached reward, and more rewards would make achievement hunting more palatable.

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That's not the reason there are so few healers. No amount of incentive is gonna make people want to heal random trash players who sit in every AoE and tanks who don't use mitigation. Both types whom always blame the healer for dying.

You can put the blame squarely on the "fantastic community of ff14"

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

That's not the reason there are so few healers. No amount of incentive is gonna make people want to heal random trash players who sit in every AoE and tanks who don't use mitigation. Both types whom always blame the healer for dying.

You can put the blame squarely on the "fantastic community of ff14"

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I thought it was more that healer gameplay in general isn't necessarily exciting for most players, especially in their current state for many.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I thought it was more that healer gameplay in general isn't necessarily exciting for most players, especially in their current state for many.

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Healing is, has always been, and will always be a game of whack-a-mole. No amount of incentive is going to change that either.

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Originally Posted by TTiscancer

Healing is, has always been, and will always be a game of whack-a-mole. No amount of incentive is going to change that either.

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What is this an argument against exactly? There are still players who enjoy playing healers, is an achievement reward for healers - just like tanks already have - too much to ask for?

Man I would love this. I was around for the veteran system so I already had most of the goodies from the achievement certs that I wanted when that whole thing started. I grabbed what was left that I could a long time ago.

One concern I have is with consumables being in this system, if say they might be able to do something cool like very expensive but cool mount (lets say the cruiser mount that was just released) such a big purchase would work better if they knew the total available achievement points and assume people are not going to lose them on consumables . . (Same applies to basically anything that is lose-able). You could be a person who spent so much on consumable items that then this neat thing gets added and you feel ...very out of luck... lol.

Of course... if you've the choice of nothing to buy anymore vs buying dyes and such, of course people would probably prefer the former.

When we had the old veteran system I had suggested that it would cause some major annoyances as time goes on, with someone joining the game and being told something like "oh yeah you can get the Tifa outfit, it'll just take you 8 years" lol. The suggestion was to just create cash shop credits that you could use instead, in this way SE could just keep making cash shop designs instead of having to split out into "vet reward" and yet all cash shop items would be, given time, considerable to be a "vet reward". Of course if you allow players to supplement tokens to purchase an item it would, probably, increase some peoples purchasing habits which is good for SE (though some may argue it's encouraging addictive behavior... personally I think this is non-gambling addictive behavior and so I don't really think it counts for concern, because the game itself could be likewise considered such an issue).

Whatever the case they're obviously not using the tokens for much right now lol.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

One concern I have is with consumables being in this system, if say they might be able to do something cool like very expensive but cool mount (lets say the cruiser mount that was just released) such a big purchase would work better if they knew the total available achievement points and assume people are not going to lose them on consumables . . (Same applies to basically anything that is lose-able). You could be a person who spent so much on consumable items that then this neat thing gets added and you feel ...very out of luck... lol.

Of course... if you've the choice of nothing to buy anymore vs buying dyes and such, of course people would probably prefer the former.

When we had the old veteran system I had suggested that it would cause some major annoyances as time goes on, with someone joining the game and being told something like "oh yeah you can get the Tifa outfit, it'll just take you 8 years" lol. The suggestion was to just create cash shop credits that you could use instead, in this way SE could just keep making cash shop designs instead of having to split out into "vet reward" and yet all cash shop items would be, given time, considerable to be a "vet reward". Of course if you allow players to supplement tokens to purchase an item it would, probably, increase some peoples purchasing habits which is good for SE (though some may argue it's encouraging addictive behavior... personally I think this is non-gambling addictive behavior and so I don't really think it counts for concern, because the game itself could be likewise considered such an issue).

Whatever the case they're obviously not using the tokens for much right now lol.

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I mean they let you purchase crysta so it's a trade off between investing time or investing money and no company is gonna give up money once they've established it. It would be nice though, to somehow merge the two maybe and let us use of veteran tokens/achievement tokens toward discounts in the cash shop

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Originally Posted by Stormfur

I mean they let you purchase crysta so it's a trade off between investing time or investing money and no company is gonna give up money once they've established it. It would be nice though, to somehow merge the two maybe and let us use of veteran tokens/achievement tokens toward discounts in the cash shop

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Yeah, though my unnecessary headcannon says it should be kupo nuts (or since the companion app, kupo cream). Then we can have mognet become a physical place in the game, with more mog mail quests ;3. There will be an area where mog sell stuff from the mysterious M (M, iirc is the person Yoshida once referred to as a powerful woman at SE that controls the mog shop). However if you find something you like you can bribe the moogles to look away while they plush their fur :D.

Since, imo, you can achieve this token via subscription, albeit a lot slower, and then using this mognet system you can give the whole shop a sense of ... not as much "that evil thing that exists outside of the game". I know some will use their crowns or whatever EQ calls them to buy stuff at a cheaper cost frequently (like someone might say $8 emote is too much but with five oz of kup cream it's only $3 and that's not too shabby), personally it would just make me be less skeptical of everything that goes into it lol. I don't mind things that don't really belong into the game but I do find it a bit annoying for things that they clearly pulled mostly complete assets from the game, that seems a bit cheesy (although obviously makes them money and is easier to do I bet, and I understand that the assets are not complete but they are going to be more complete than something that has had no work lol (has to fit to bodies, etc)).

Unfortunately it just seems like another system SE has dropped and ignored in favor of new ones. Similar to chocobo racing and verminion. Really wish they would expand on it as there’s literally nothing worth getting when you already have everything, at this point achievement points just feel like a horrible novelty than anything else. I see some good ideas in this thread but unfortunately unless you scream about it on the likes of twitter or reddit it most likely won’t be heard here as they’ve abandoned these forums.