The title says it all.
Yes, Final Fantasy XIV is almost perfect when it comes to epic instanced Boss battles or instances. But in my opnion it unfortunately lacks that epicness in FATES.
Back then at 1.0. we made suggestions for "ARR" to add Public quests to Final Fantasy XIV just like in Guild Wars 2. Still the public quests feel a little too simplistic for 98% of the time (spawning mobs that needs to get killed, gathering quest key items etc.).
I would love it if FATES feel more adventurous and more epic. I mean it doesnt have to be for every single FATE, but at least for some of them it would be epic if there were multiple phases.. some story telling and even voice acting in it to make the happenings feel more epic and alive.
Guild Wars 2 - Public Quest in a low level region - it has even a small cutscene to it:
VIDEO: Guild Wars 2 - Defending Shaermoor Public Event Quest
https://i.ibb.co/KjLdFSP/GW2-Public-Quest-2.png
In Warhammer Online for example i remember this public quest from a starting area where a whole story was told with voice acting in it:
https://i.ibb.co/mR0r3J4/Screenshot-...8-You-Tube.jpg
VIDEO: Warhammer Online Public Quest
some ideas for FATEs:
- minor FATEs include the standard tasks without any storytelling at all (just like 99% of all fates now)
- Epic FATEs include story and multiple phases, chance of equipment drops the more people participate + equipment to drop
- some FATEs having story telling
- voice acting
- even epic FATEs should be able to be done by solos
- having some FATEs included into the main scenario quests in order to increase the number of players for epic Fates
- if only 1-2 players are doing an epic FATE they may get support from FATE npcs such as a tank or healer or dps OR may get help from your Trust NPC (though we would end with multiple versions of the same story character then)
- implementing story characters in FATES (villains and heros)
- making some FATES to be part of the story lore
Whats your opinion on current FATEs. Do you also thing that FATEs could be improved a little more and could use some sort of "epicness" or story telling to it?
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FATE - Can we get more epic public quests
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08-01-2021, 06:07 PMTonkraFATE - Can we get more epic public quests
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08-01-2021, 10:42 PMCorndogLebron
There are already many FATEs that chain together leading up to one big FATE that drops rewards and achievements (Formidable and Archaeotania in ShB for example). I do hope they add more like those two in the next expac, but maybe make them a bit easier to track - it's a bit sad when you follow one of the chains for 20 minutes only for it to reset back to the first one because the final boss one was already spawned a few hours ago.
I don't think they should be soloable especially if they drop exclusive items, there are more than enough ways such as linkshells, PF or Discord to gather enough people to take one on and it gives more people a chance at getting the rewards. Even ones like 'Special Tarasque Force' in dravania gets people to come and help, even though it just drops an achievement and a triple triad card you can get from beating an NPC.
Maybe a bit of voice acting in FATEs could be good, but I'd rather they just add more voice acted stuff to MSQ and side quests, plus maybe not many people would hear it over the sound of hundreds of spells and attacks going off lol -
08-01-2021, 11:32 PMJeeqbit
The Shadowbringers fates tell the story of the lore of that area. There are lore fate chains in every one. The one in The Tempest tells the story of a beast that would have contributed to the final days.
There is a fate chain like this in The Azim Steppe and Yanxia, all fates have a lore description and build ups before spawning where people appear and talk and then something happens that causes them to need your help.
Many boss fates intended for multiple people can be done solo if you are good. They have been required for sidequests before such as the crystal tower, and it was just annoying waiting for them to spawn so it was changed.
The only other things that are not done already are voice acting and getting main characters participate in fates like in bozja, but we do get guards help out a lot. -
08-02-2021, 03:53 AMGrizzlyTank
The fate system is definitely one of the things in this game that could need an overhaul, and GW2 would be the better game to get inspiration for how it can be done with every map being filled with event chains. Some chains are even one world boss spanning the entire zone.
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08-02-2021, 11:22 AMKaylal
I had a chain of FATEs yesterday with my Warrior40 in Coethas Central Highlands. Escort an engineer and protect him from drake's. A second one to protect him while he built a cannon, and a second player turned up. Then finale FATE when big-bad dragon turned up and another few players joined in. It was awesome fun!
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08-02-2021, 06:39 PMTonkraBut these ones are -extremely- simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by CorndogLebron
If you compare Guild Wars 2 public events to FFXIV FATEs there are worlds in between when it comes to quality. Okay, not all GW2 public events are epic, but at least some of them.
You have huge tornadoes / thunderstorms boss monsters coming up. A Public quest event in Guild Wars 2 can be a true spectacle (unfortunately i didnt find good screenshots / vids for that) even in the low levels.
Public quests in Guild Wars 2 feel like an adventure. In FFXIV it feels like lifeless grind fest of killing soulless hordes of mobs.
Its hard to describe if you havent played a public quest in guild wars 2.
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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank
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i found an example for the public quests in GW2 at the beginning of the game:
https://i.ibb.co/KjLdFSP/GW2-Public-Quest-2.png
Guild Wars 2 - Defending Shaermoor Public Event Quest
This public quest has even a small cinematic cutscene in it. -
08-02-2021, 06:47 PMWarlyx
i would love meta events from Gw2 tbh those are tons of funs and every1 in the zone has to work toguether , i have done many tons of time and still find them somewhat fun , fates arent even close
example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1oE1EaHa68
yeah 1h22 min of event lol but meta events are huge , the ending fight is %!%& epic! love it everytime -
08-02-2021, 07:01 PMkaynide
To;dr version of below:
1) FFXIV fates are boring; there is nothing at stake and no variety and no real engagement.
2) Some examples of GW2’s “fate” system.
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A thing that Guildwars does well is world bosses, which exist…somewhat limited..in FFXIV. The thing that makes them shine is that there is a guaranteed pop time for the first part of the chain, so people can organize. Some have a chain of quests there are several that might pop at once that people can split into. More people just makes the boss pop faster.
Essentially a more complex one would be: Event A (pops at specified time) -> B, C, D pop -> World Boss (when B, C, D are done)
The bosses themselves are not THAT much different from a good fate..maybe closer to a Bozja engagement. Moreover, they all drop reasonable loot that make it worth doing every time they pop if you’ve nothing else going on.
In FFXIV, this is like the Kitsune or the Tempest chain… or that dragon in Coarthas..but for those it’s RNG when they pop and the drops make you only ever need to do them like….once or twice.
The biggest problem to me in FFXIV is there are only like… 6 different copy pasted fates. It just stops being interesting, especially when there is absolutely nothing at stake win or lose.
I can’t think of them all, but:
1) protect NPC on route
2) pickup the things and deliver
3) kill the one big monster
4) kill the little monsters
5) kill the little monsters before they break the things
6) two groups of things fighting each other.
Guildwars has these, but instead of despawning, our protected NPC might turn into a shop. And more so, most “fates” in GW2 has something like 3 ways to clear them.
Ex:
1) your task is to cause havoc in a centaur encampment. You can a) wreck their buildings/weapon stashes, b) free prisoners or c) fight the actual centaurs. Success means the centaurs don’t launch an attack on a nearby town. Failure means an impending raid on a nearby town which is a secondary “fate” with its own success/failure conditions.
2) the centaurs are attacking a town. You can a) fight the centaurs b) aid injured townsfolk or c) put out fires. Success pushes the centaurs back, possibly making them summon a major boss for retaliation. Failure, the town is no longer functioning; the teleporter is down, NPC shops are gone until rescued at a further event. -
08-02-2021, 07:11 PMTonkraThats really impressive, complex, epic and huge. The presentation is not as stiff as FATEs in FFXIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlyx
Dunno why, maybe its because of the voice acting, the music, how every phase gets fluently into the next phase - very naturally.
In FFXIV its like: "oh there popped a boss - kill him". Without any storytelling or anything why the boss is there, why do we kill him etc.
It just doesnt feel very organic or natural - the presentation (unlike dungeon instances) are extremely stiff in FATEs of Final Fantasy 14 in contrast to Guild Wars 2.
The public events in GW2 on the contrary feel so organic, real and adventurous.
In FFXIV its like a GM clicked on a button to spawn some random mobs to grind through for 95% of the time. -
08-02-2021, 07:21 PMkaynideThat is a good example from FFXIV of a good fate chain. Were that there were more!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaylal
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08-02-2021, 09:12 PMAllegor
More people would do FATEs if they were worth doing aside from just killing time. They give trash xp, trash amount of gil, trash amount of seals, give no other form of currency or rewards [except for the very rare 'world boss' type], and have no effect on the overworld if you fail or outright ignore them. ShB's shared FATEs concept was good, but it was also a 'do once and done' system.
Maps and hunts are similar ish forms of content, yet far superior because they actually feel rewarding to do -
08-02-2021, 09:57 PMJojoyaThe XP from FATEs really isn't that bad. You're going to get roughly the same for the time investment as you do by direct queuing for a dungeon the same level (not via roulette). I've finished level grinds via FATEs several times because I didn't want to wait until the next day for roulettes to reset. It only gets frustrating when you've cleared all the available FATEs and you're stuck waiting 1-2 minutes for more to spawn (something I wish SE would fix).Quote:
Originally Posted by Allegor
Those "trash" amounts of gil and seals add up when you chain FATEs. So does what you can make by buying items with gemstones earned in the ShB zones and selling them on the MB. I'm frequently going back and doing more FATEs in ShB zones, especially Archaeotania and Formidable.
Could things like Archaotania and Formidable be more frequent? Sure, though if they get too frequent players would stop caring. My understanding of GW2 is that dungeon rewards are trash at high levels compared to the open world events, which is why players choose to do the latter (I've never played the game so I don't know how true it is).
Part of this game's problem is that it does not handle large groups of players at the same location well. Look at the large hunt trains where other players and even the hunt mark will disappear randomly depending on where you are standing. The same thing happens with the major FATEs if enough players are present. It could be that is part of why SE doesn't more or more frequently large scale FATEs.
There's also a limit of 300 players per zone. Imagine players trying to progress through MSQ not being able to enter a zone because there's a very rewarding large scale level cap event in progress. That would be exceedingly frustrating to the player who just wants to progress MSQ and has no interest in the large scale event at that time.
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08-02-2021, 10:52 PMCalevr
I agree with the OP. FFXIV could be nearly the perfect game for some of us. There is just not enough engaging content outside of small instances. I'm hoping more variety to come to fates and in general to the open world in the future. I wouldn't mind a return of Behest (public guildhests) as well, these were a nice touch in the open world of 1.0. This and party-based battlecraft leves would be fun to do, too.
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08-02-2021, 11:03 PMForctyusGold
there are already big fates, nobody is doing , like in every expansion. maybe just the ones in Coerthas Central or those special fates. ppl in general dont care about fates and doing them alone can be really hard sometimes. so i like how they bring some tokens in ShB , so you can exchange them for some nice things, but this could work also with other expansions o/
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08-03-2021, 01:23 AMTonkraThe thing is that these big FATEs don't scale enough. They should be soloable for most of the time, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForctyusGold
In GW2 for example not only the HP and damage the mobs inflict will change regarding how many people participate in a Public Quest.
Its also the amount of monsters that get reduced. And also here and there are some NPC who help soloplayers out.
Example for a bigger starter public event quest in GW2:
VIDEO: Defending Shaemoor - multiple players
VIDEO: Defending Shaemoor - solo
Thats something FFXIV Fates miss for most of the time.
And as i said 90% of the FATEs are not really attractive or engaging / fun enough.
Most of the time FATEs are boring grind fests with the same scheme over and over.
Maybe they should mark huge FATEs differently like instead of blue they should be marked yellow so that everybody knows that this is a rare / bigger FATE or whatsoever.
There would be also so many possibilities i guess to make FATEs more attractive, much more fun, interesting and also rewarding (loot/exp) -
08-03-2021, 06:27 AMPayadopa
I started playing GW2 again and it's funny that even the lvl 10 events are more engaging than everything concerning FATEs since 2.0 . The way XIV underutilises its overworld is a crime.
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08-03-2021, 07:15 AMDPZ2You are reduced in level to the rating for the FATE you choose. Go try to do The Eyes Have It solo, and you'll get your pride handed to you for a reason ... that 'swing' is enough to one-shot you. Similar things happen in Heavensward FATEs (the 30 minute ones).Quote:
Originally Posted by Tonkra
Difficulty increases with every successful completion of that FATE.
I play GW2, and their super-duper World Boss encounters are on a timer -- I can literally go to a website and find out what's going to spawn in the next hour. There are a grand total of 16 of them, and 12 of them require you be level 43+ to get any rare gear from the one-per-day per account chest.
In FFXIV, they are, when you get down to it, the equivalent of a Hunt, rather than a FATE, and they don't drop gear because you get all the gear you need for your level by popping through Dungeon instances/Trials/Raids and the Market Board. It's a different system for an extremely different game.