What’s up with players in dungeons.

Was running the MSQ doing one of the dungeon quests….

Get a group and the healer won’t heal anyone not even the tank. Said something about only healing those who play correctly.

The tank gets zero heals, healer says "LTT“ and leaves.

Tank admits to being knew to the roll, apologizes for not being good and leaves.

Being new to the game and coming from wow, waiting on heals and tank isn’t going to go well. I leave do some random stuff and decide to retry.

Get a new group, healer won’t heal me because I’m not doing any AOE…. I don’t have an AOE yet. I inform said healer of this fact and get a tell from the healer cussing me out and demanding I learn to play and use AOE….

Start a boss fight, no heals are going out. (Won’t heal the tank not that this tank needed heals) Healer says "get good or no heals"
About this time adds pop, we switch to adds but the tank won’t pick them up, and says "you pull it you tank it" we wipe and both tank and healer leave calling us noobs.

Is this normal behavior in dungeons? Should I just not do the dungeon quests until I get to max level? Can these quests be soloed like in other games once you reach high enough level or will the game sync me to the quest level?

Is this like wow where you’re better off just doing everything solo or with your guild/ FC and not use the duty finder?

This is not normal no. You have some really bad luck. Right now we have some weird people who think that in a pug group. A standard needs to be set on how to play. That this game has a leeching problem because the content takes longer to do.


The best thing to do is when they act like this, to report them. The rules get enforced as that is consider harassing and grief. So if they get in trouble enough, they will learn. It is just people turn a blind eye to these players and they keep acting like this because of it.



Sorry you had some bad groups, but as I said it is not the normal.

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Originally Posted by SirCadogan

Was running the MSQ doing one of the dungeon quests….

Get a group and the healer won’t heal anyone not even the tank. Said something about only healing those who play correctly.

The tank gets zero heals, healer says "LTT“ and leaves.

Tank admits to being knew to the roll, apologizes for not being good and leaves.

Being new to the game and coming from wow, waiting on heals and tank isn’t going to go well. I leave do some random stuff and decide to retry.

Get a new group, healer won’t heal me because I’m not doing any AOE…. I don’t have an AOE yet. I inform said healer of this fact and get a tell from the healer cussing me out and demanding I learn to play and use AOE….

Start a boss fight, no heals are going out. (Won’t heal the tank not that this tank needed heals) Healer says "get good or no heals"
About this time adds pop, we switch to adds but the tank won’t pick them up, and says "you pull it you tank it" we wipe and both tank and healer leave calling us noobs.

Is this normal behavior in dungeons? Should I just not do the dungeon quests until I get to max level? Can these quests be soloed like in other games once you reach high enough level or will the game sync me to the quest level?

Is this like wow where you’re better off just doing everything solo or with your guild/ FC and not use the duty finder?

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apologies on... the healers.
seriously never seen that before and as a healer main, I dont understand the mindset

I dont care how you play, my job is to do my job, which is keep people off the floor. like I said, never seen that in all the runs I have made. I have had combat healers, but they dont comment on other peoples play style, they are just there to mostly dps, which if thats how they play thats how they play. some heal only when tanks or dps are down to 25%, again, if they are comfy that way, whatever.

I would not say thats normal by any stretch
DF will always get you a random mix. some healers obviously have a problem with that, but we are hardly all the same and that... rude

I wouldn't say it's normal, no, but it does happen. It's the internet. Either way they were jerks and you probably didn't deserve that. They aren't worth your time talking and thinking about. I'd shrug it off and move on. Most everyone else isn't like that. For me, I've only really seen one incident of toxic behavior in the past month or so, and that was last night in DR. My co tank was lagging and decided they would rather stay dead on the final boss rather than eat the mettle loss. If they weren't lvl 25 I would understand, but they should have been doing their part, however small it might have been. The dps was super low overall and it took about an hour to clear. This resulted in one of my healers basically calling them a piece of crap and the other saying "yw for the carry". Toxicity breeds toxicity I suppose, but that's the only encounter I've seen recently.

Definitely not normal.

But I would counter their attitude with the statement that just because someone else isn't playing their job "right" doesn't mean you should also not do yours. The two healers definitely are people you should report as this is the kind of behaviour that the developers of the game are definitely not okay with, and there's a good chance they will be put into jail by the game's moderators so that they can address the behavior.

OP, those are exactly the kinds of folks that need to be reported to the GMs for "harassment". They absolutely should not be forcing gameplay opinions like that on others during standard group play in dungeons.

To answer your question, what you had happen isn't normal, at least as far as I've experienced. Most of the time folks just roll through the content and are quiet for the most part, otherwise they just play their roles. Every once in a while I see someone that gets pushy, but I've never seen anyone go so far as to purposely avoid playing the game because they felt others should be playing in a different manner. However, I also play a lot later at night so I don't know if it's because I'm just seeing a different crowd altogether.

I'm really sorry you hit experiences like that so quickly in succession, normally this game and the community is really, really nice. It's incredibly unfortunate that there's folks out there like that actively determined to ruin others' game experience like that. >_<

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Definitely not normal.

But I would counter their attitude with the statement that just because someone else isn't playing their job "right" doesn't mean you should also not do yours. The two healers definitely are people you should report as this is the kind of behaviour that the developers of the game are definitely not okay with, and there's a good chance they will be put into jail by the game's moderators so that they can address the behavior.

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I agree, you are doing a MSQ there is no reason to act that way.

I started playing FFXIV again after quitting in 2014 about 2 weeks ago and while that's not a very long time span, I've done my fair share of dungeons and have not once encountered anything close to the unfortunate situation being described above. I don't think this is representative of the FFXIV community so no, I don't believe this to be normal or standard practice.

I think what's happening is the large influx of players coming to FFXIV recently brought its share of trolls just following the trend and messing about before crawling back to whatever hole they came out of. I doubt many of them will stick around so as you level and progress through your MSQ, you'll find yourself interacting more and more with the actual FFXIV community, which has been nothing short of lovely so far.

Just keep at it and ignore the angry muppets that pollute the duty finder at lower levels.

It's not normal and absolutely is reportable as well. I had a similar healer the other day during Titania NM who got mad at the tanks for daring to be new and overwhelmed. Literally stopped healing and told us to kick them. Which we couldn't because not enough time had even passed to do so. We did one pull and they literally threw their staff down and started throwing a tantrum. Refused to heal, DPS, move, the whole works and took to being toxic in chat to the newbie tanks instead. Sadly they got their kick after a second pull because it took until the third pull for the tanks to actually get what they needed to do but more than a few of use reported them for their actions. Hilariously enough we ended up with a new healer who out DPS'd them by a country mile and the run went much, much smoother.

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Originally Posted by SirCadogan

Was running the MSQ doing one of the dungeon quests….

..Is this normal behavior in dungeons? Should I just not do the dungeon quests until I get to max level? Can these quests be soloed like in other games once you reach high enough level or will the game sync me to the quest level?

Is this like wow where you’re better off just doing everything solo or with your guild/ FC and not use the duty finder?

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Unfortunately you can't skip dungeons and trials as you progress along the MSQ. This is a big difference from WoW, and I found it a bit jarring too when I recently picked up FFXIV after many years playing the other game. But I've now become used to it and actually like it a lot. It forces me to learn how to play better, so that I can hold up my share of the duty without unduly penalizing the team, and better yet, to be so good as to get commendations from my team mates when we're done with the last boss.

Ever since I started with the game - very recently, only since April of this year - I've had nothing but good experiences in Duty Finder, playing as a Paladin tank, up to Lvl 80 now. And I've *never* played a tank, since 2004 when I started with WoW at their release. So I must had done well enough, with a few commendations from others along the way. But recently I've noticed a couple of times when dungeon light parties, full parties, and 24 strong raids have had a few jerks, who like to chide, demean, or threaten to kick other players they deemed not up to their roles' task. They're in the minority, however, and I ascribe this to the recent massive influx of new players from other MMOs. I'm sure a lot of good people recently subscribed, but also a lot toxic riff-raff as well.

Don't let the toxicity bother you, just move on and enjoy yourself. It's only a game after all. The point is to keep having fun. :-)

PS: Just found this thread, it illustrates what you can do to report and get rid of griefers in this game:

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...E-ME-FROM-JAIL

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Originally Posted by SirCadogan

Get a group and the healer won’t heal anyone not even the tank. Said something about only healing those who play correctly.

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It's common for healers not to heal much because you don't need to heal very much in this game in most content. You do damage most of the time and heal when it's needed.

Most healers do not behave this way so you had a very exceptional situation in that dungeon.

The healer could be kicked for not doing their role of healing (harassment or AFK).

If a healer cussed you out, you can report them and they will probably get warned or banned (they can't tell you what action they took though). It's true that some classes don't get an AoE until level 40, but after that it's common for most people not to use AoE because they don't understand what it is so singling you out for it is futile.

If the dungeons are sidequests (blue quests) you can do a lot of them solo at level 80, but there are a lot of dungeons required for the main story that you probably want to do before reaching level 80. It's not common behaviour so the best thing to do is see if they said anything rude and report it.

What you described is definitely not the norm. That said, with popularity comes a couple of things:

First, the trolls who are coming here just because the game is popular (and because it has a reputation for having a great, welcoming community). No, they're not necessarily bringing toxic behaviour over from another MMO, they're just here because this is where they can now be the biggest losers to the biggest crowd of people they know it will bother.

Second, the players who may legitimately not know any better. Like it or not, FF14 is getting coverage everywhere now and almost everyone is calling it an amazing experience. We are dealing with a lot of players who may have never played an MMO before, or may not have played one with a holy trinity set up. They may just need some friendly guidance on how to actually play the game and what the game expects of them.

My limited experience shows that if anyone is going to be unforgiving, it's against tanks. As a healer my favourite dungeon run was with a learning tank and a good attitude but when I first did a trial a year ago I attempted tank because paladin appealed to me.

My first dungeon I kept threat and I think I was easy to keep alive but I didn't know the route. I can't remember the insult completely but it was something like I needed to go back in time and kill my parents before I could be born and waste their time. At that time I decided I may as well keep playing wow and only recently I gave this place another shot.

This really is not normal and FF14 vets should know better then to act like this as they are well aware they are putting their accounts on the line trying to be an elitist in a leveling roulette especially.

I've very rarely encountered such situations. Maybe Chaos is - despite its name - just more relaxed than other server clusters, though.

Sometimes people are difficult. It happens, if its bothering you feel free to report if its reportable.

Strangest experience I've had was in one of the first MQ story dungeons, queue popped, loaded in, after cutscene the other three party members all ran to the starting portal and left. No clue as to why as they never said a word. It didn't take very long at all, maybe 5 minutes if that for new party members to zone in and the dungeon commenced as normal. This was the only time I've ever had people bail in a dungeon so I don't think it's normal behavior.

Some people are just weird. You are, unfortunately, going to meet a few of these weird people along the way.

Welcome to our amazing community! While some of us should know better than to act like this, a lot of us don't. Have fun and enjoy your stay!

By the Twelve, I would hope that's not normal behavior on your server for dungeons. What absolute pieces of garbage those people were.

If that IS the norm on your server, I'd transfer elsewhere ASAP. Most servers have their bad apples here and there, but the majority of people in this game are just trying to get through a run like everyone else is.

You can also report anyone who cusses you out or harasses you in chat. There's no excuse for that behavior.

you have to assume they were trolling when they say and behave like that and in addition you had the absolute worst luck that this happened right after another

Dunno what the tank did to make the healer mad, but it's possible they earned it. That or we're getting healers that don't know how to push buttons.

It's not the norm, as many have pointed out.

I only encountered situations similar to this a few times, mostly back during Heavensward. It does happen. There are crappy folks no matter what game you're playing. If you keep a positive, can do attitude though, most dungeons can be completed without healers as long as you've got a bare minimum level of self healing.

In HW I was leveling my Balmung alt's Gladiator, and I got The Thousand Maw of To-to Rak for my leveling roulette. At the time, roulettes didn't allow for parties to queue into them, so some people would try to run roulettes together by queuing up for it at the same time. It actually worked better than it ever should have, but I wound up displacing a group like that's tank. They didn't get their tank friend.

So I get into the dungeon, and immediately start getting berated for "stealing" their friend's spot, and they tell me I need to abandon duty/leave. I tell them, nah, that's not how this works let's get this done. We moved ahead and they were helping me fight but not healing me, so I kept myself alive with Hi-Potions and cross class Second Wind/Cure. When they saw that I wouldn't die, they stopped helping me fight and just started waiting. I kept going, and eventually they vote kicked me. I queued into that same run three more times, and was vote kicked until they were out of vote kicks. At which point they started whining and saying that they'd report me if I didn't leave, and I merely fired back, "The only ones doing anything reportable here are you, and the chat log is proof enough of that."

So they started begrudgingly helping me again, and at the very end of the dungeon they started apologizing to me with paragraph upon paragraph of apology. That was the longest time a dungeon's ever taken me to finish. 68 minute Thousand Maw of To-to Rak.

Had another similar situation on that same character around that same time in that same dungeon. Had a stuffy healer who got real mad when one of the DPS told them to use Cleric's Stance and DPS. I said that it'd be fine (as in they don't have to DPS) as long as they healed me. What was weird though, was even though I had said it was fine, the healer got more pissed off at me than the guy who told him to DPS, and he literally said, "Ok, fine, I'm just not going to help at all." And he went and sat down on the wall, "Y'all can vote kick me when you get tired of dying." So I told the two DPS that we might die a little, but we could continue on without him, and maybe he'd see that he'd be better off participating. He never did, he wasted our LB, and he occasionally threw some insults at us in party chat. So, about 25 minutes or so later, we're about to the last boss, and we voted kicked him then, so that he wouldn't get his roulette bonus.


Though I know there are a few more stories like this, none of them are as memorable, because the toxicity didn't last more than a few minutes/usually the people being that way just decided to eat their penalty instead. I know it can be frustrating to have your time wasted, but if you play well enough and can convince the other members of your team to keep on chugging, you can usually get a decent conclusion to a poor situation.

I started a few weeks ago and indeed ran into some annoying players who felt the need to complain or be rude when there was nothing to cry about.

Some people can’t be helped but at least SE does act upon the rude and vile ones, so that’s something positive.

Even as a new player myself, I think it’s important to keep some folks in check and not ruin the friendly and chill atmosphere the game has. Why they don’t play with their FC or dedicated group if they’re gonna act like that is beyond me.

I assure you, this is not normal. In all my time in the game, I've only ever had one toxic healer when I was starting off as a DRK. It turned me off from tanking until GNB was introduced.

Don't let it get to you overmuch. It gets better as you get further into the game, I promise.

Some people just act like they instantly knew how to play this game when they played FFXIV for the first time.

Sorry you had to experience that OP, but it is definitely rare to get those kinds of jerks. Hope your next dungeon finds you among some nicer folks!

I don't know if the healer was actually letting people die or anything, but one thing to take into consideration is: some healers prefer to actually let their allies get a little low on HP at times, and not bother healing them if they're confident they'll survive the battle. This is because healers in FFXIV can actually dish out significant damage, and so if they focus on DPS instead of healing the encounters go by quicker (and dead enemies mean less damage coming in). Passive HP regeneration is also something we consider, and there's often not a need to keep party members "topped up" to full HP -- because that can actually be a waste of time and MP -- after all, the only HP that matters is the last one. And it's especially easy to get away with this in leveling dungeons like the ones you're running right now.

Having said that, it in no way excuses the behaviour and words of those problem individuals you dealt with. I'm just mentioning this to you, not because it has anything to do with your example, but there may be times where you notice you're low on HP and wondering "Why am I not getting healed?" It could be that the healer is experienced and knows that you're not actually in much danger, and you'll literally self-regenerate to full before the next pack of mobs. If they let you die though, then that is them not doing their job properly.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Dunno what the tank did to make the healer mad, but it's possible they earned it.

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First of all, there is no reason for anybody to act like that, no matter how poorly somebody is performing.

Second, you weren't there. You don't know that any of the players "earned" anything like that at all, whatever that means. Why do you leap to your own made-up conclusion, when it's equally likely the healer was just being unnecessarily impatient and rude?

Keep in mind, as of this post OP is level 38, so they were running content of that level or lower. If you queue for a leveling dungeon roulette, don't expect 100% peak pro-gamer performance from a bunch of first-timers still trying to figure out their skill kit. And if you aren't willing to participate with such players, don't queue. That healer told them "Learn to tank." Really!? This is early-game MSQ story dungeons. THIS IS WHERE THEY LEARN!!!

If you don't like kids, don't play in the sandbox. And if you aren't willing to heal, don't queue as a healer.

This deserves to be post of the day in "Tales from Duty Finder"
Absolutely golden

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Originally Posted by Fyrebrand

First of all, there is no reason for anybody to act like that, no matter how poorly somebody is performing.

Second, you weren't there. You don't know that any of the players "earned" anything like that at all, whatever that means. Why do you leap to your own made-up conclusion, when it's equally likely the healer was just being unnecessarily impatient and rude?

Keep in mind, as of this post OP is level 38, so they were running content of that level or lower. If you queue for a leveling dungeon roulette, don't expect 100% peak pro-gamer performance from a bunch of first-timers still trying to figure out their skill kit. And if you aren't willing to participate with such players, don't queue. That healer told them "Learn to tank." Really!? This is early-game MSQ story dungeons. THIS IS WHERE THEY LEARN!!!

If you don't like kids, don't play in the sandbox. And if you aren't willing to heal, don't queue as a healer.

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Dunno, as you said I wasn't there. So my first instinct is to see what could have caused things, since these things so rarely happen just out of nowhere.

This could all be a string of bad luck, or it could be something else. It's not normal, but that doesn't mean it should be unexpected given the right circumstances.

Lodestone says he's gotten his job crystal (forums are out of date) so that's not causing bad luck. Gear is a bit out of date, but that could be a consequence of the MSQ as it is.

Best advice I can give to the OP is just try to queue again. I have no idea where you're getting the rest of the rant, but perhaps if it let something out of your system it's a good thing. We all need to vent sometimes.

Hope you have better luck next time. It occassionally happens but for so many consecutively such a shame.

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Originally Posted by SirCadogan

Is this like wow where you’re better off just doing everything solo or with your guild/ FC and not use the duty finder?

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Nah. Playing both here and on WoW since 1.x came out, XIV has had the slightly more toxic Duty/Dungeon Finder experience, but no matter how you look at it, you just got some 30 runs' worth of bad luck all at once. This is an outlier.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Nah. Playing both here and on WoW since 1.x came out, XIV has had the slightly more toxic Duty/Dungeon Finder experience, but no matter how you look at it, you just got some 30 runs' worth of bad luck all at once. This is an outlier.

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That's a good way of putting it, especially since the lodestone is saying he looks like one of the good ones.

Thats real strange, maybe its an issue with the world server you chose. I play on EU Chaos and had in all my years i played this game something like this not even once and i never heard for any other guys i spoke to during that time or fc of something like that. Maybe its to the impact of new players since HW is free that some of the new acting strange.

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Thats real strange, maybe its an issue with the world server you chose. I play on EU Chaos and had in all my years i played this game something like this not even once and i never heard for any other guys i spoke to during that time or fc of something like that. Maybe its to the impact of new players since HW is free that some of the new acting strange.

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With DF, you're still going to get players from whatever server within the DC, no?

Honestly, the hours of play, based on that player population, may be the more impactful factor. I've noticed people being a lot more snappish around the hours that, say, the average person from that region would have just got home from (over)work. Similarly, in the 2-5 AM (EST to PST) crowd here in NA, you tend to get people more likely to give advice, but slower to kick, since time tends to be less of an issue.*

* (Exceptions, of course, when dungeon, raid, or trial content becomes wrapped up in relic grind content, as with the HW relics.)

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Originally Posted by XabyTimberwolf

My limited experience shows that if anyone is going to be unforgiving, it's against tanks. As a healer my favourite dungeon run was with a learning tank and a good attitude but when I first did a trial a year ago I attempted tank because paladin appealed to me.

My first dungeon I kept threat and I think I was easy to keep alive but I didn't know the route. I can't remember the insult completely but it was something like I needed to go back in time and kill my parents before I could be born and waste their time. At that time I decided I may as well keep playing wow and only recently I gave this place another shot.

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In WoW that's more common than not to be honest :3.

I usually encounter sprouts when I'm doing duty roulette or random dungeon. What SirCadogan, in his initial post, says horrifies me. How can someone just say "Git gud or no heal" ? Really ?

When someone don't know what they are doing OR think they are doing good but it's the opposite, I try to explain to that person how to make things better for them. That way, new player can "Git gud" cause we help them and not tossing them away like trash, if they listen of course.

This kind of behavior towards new player is unacceptable

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Originally Posted by SirCadogan

Get a group and the healer won’t heal anyone not even the tank. Said something about only healing those who play correctly.

The tank gets zero heals, healer says "LTT“ and leaves.

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Report them. SE won't tolerate that.

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Originally Posted by SirCadogan

Tank admits to being knew to the roll, apologizes for not being good and leaves.

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That's unfortunate. I hope that player feels better.

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Originally Posted by SirCadogan

Get a new group, healer won’t heal me because I’m not doing any AOE…. I don’t have an AOE yet. I inform said healer of this fact and get a tell from the healer cussing me out and demanding I learn to play and use AOE….

Start a boss fight, no heals are going out. (Won’t heal the tank not that this tank needed heals) Healer says "get good or no heals"
About this time adds pop, we switch to adds but the tank won’t pick them up, and says "you pull it you tank it" we wipe and both tank and healer leave calling us noobs.

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Report them. SE won't tolerate that.

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Originally Posted by SirCadogan

Is this normal behavior in dungeons?

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Absolutely not. You just got really unlucky. I've never once encountered this kind of toxicity in this game. I've seen plenty of players act that way in WoW, but never here.

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Originally Posted by SirCadogan

Is this like wow where you’re better off just doing everything solo or with your guild/ FC and not use the duty finder?

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Absolutely not. Your experience is not representative of the typical FFXIV player's.

Seriously, you can report behavior like that. Case in point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvQvYYkFiQI&t=26s

I find it a bit odd that the OP is asking if this is normal behavior based off of 2 runs? While unfortunate you had some bad luck, I'm sure you've ran more then 2 runs to realize it's not the norm? I almost feel this is troll post because who takes to the forums after a few bad runs?

Regardless, as you can see from all the helpful people here, that no this is not the norm in most cases. I've ran a good amount of runs, and many many with some pretty new tanks (A few in which I've offered "respectful" advice and they where happy to hear it). Everyone has been nice. I'm sure I'll run into a few bad seeds along the way, but it is what it is. Like others have said in this thread, if they grief or verbally attack others, report them. These people will never change, although they might think twice about harassing others.

This kind of thing is rare, but when you do run into a jerk it's almost always a Healer.

Healing is the most significant role in this game, and as such it tends to attract the most sanctimonious players.

It probably just feels that way because unlike tanking and DPS, healing is a class that forces you to pay attention to what all the other players are doing at all times. Unless something goes horribly wrong, most DPS and tanks are going to be blissfully unaware of anything except for the boss and the mechanics. A case in point is a hilarious reddit meme based off of Asmongold's first Aurum Vale run where he's proudly proclaiming, "Easiest dungeon of my life!!!" near the end of the Locksmith fight while tanking with five stacks of Gold Lung. Meanwhile, the healer in the meme is portrayed stressing over his computer sweating bullets in his attempt to keep him alive. While the healer was hilariously portrayed in the meme, the event it's based on really did occur. Asmongold really cleared that fight with five stacks of Gold Lung and no idea as to how hard it was on the healer to keep him up through that. He literally shouted, "Easiest dungeon of my life!" several times that fight.