More Widgets

So, this might seem silly, and especially not very screen effective, but...

Y'know how Ninja has this beautiful Pinwheel that only serves to track Huton? I think we could really use that on Samurai to track Jinpu and Shifu. Or on Warrior to track Storm's Eye. Maybe Monk's Twin Snakes? Might not be needed for DRG's Disembowel since the rotation there is so rigid, but why not?

And it doesn't have to be only damage buffs that need to be kept up at all times. I could use a Wildfire counter on MCH to keep track of how many hits I'm getting in that window, because most of the times, given servertick, I don't know if my last hit counted into the Wildfire window or not (And it's not like I can even see that number to check.) You can just put that number in the clock by the Hypercharge gauge, I guess... Hell, even Ninjutsu might be able to use one, maybe a triple-symbol thing like Samurai, that lights up as you throw Mudras? Maybe above the Huton pinwheel. Or how about something to keep track of your Ruin 4 stacks on SMN?

I'm not gonna argue that they are needed, some of the best players can probably play with most of their UIs turned off anyways. But it would be nice! And flashy, too, which is a bonus!

I'd def like one on WAR to track its buff.
I know you don't really need one, because you should be refreshing it regularly as part of our rotation, but it would still be very useful for me.

Love the idea. BLM has it's own indicator for Eno-chan (5% more damage etc) but Dragoon doesn't have it for their rotation. Same with SAM, as previously mentioned. I'd live to see that implemented.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I'd def like one on WAR to track its buff.
I know you don't really need one, because you should be refreshing it regularly as part of our rotation, but it would still be very useful for me.

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Yeah, I would probably throw more Storm's Path more often if I didn't lose track of Storm's Eye as much as I do.

Definitely not vital for learning the job, eventually you will just get it by instinct, but what's the harm of, like, a cool Tornado-ish effect with a tracker, maybe the tornado gets smaller as you start running out of Storm's Eye.

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Originally Posted by ReiganCross

I think we could really use that on Samurai to track Jinpu and Shifu. Or on Warrior to track Storm's Eye. Maybe Monk's Twin Snakes? Might not be needed for DRG's Disembowel since the rotation there is so rigid, but why not?

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Does the SAM rotation allow so much flexibility that Jinpu and Shifu fall off if you're building Sen properly? I'm definitely not a SAM expert, but it seems to me that because of the nature of Iaijutsu/Hagakure, the primary decider for when to use Jinpu and Shifu is the need to combo into Gekko and Kasha for Sen. Is 40s not long enough that you would just naturally use Jinpu/Shifu on your way to Gekko/Kasha without looking at a gauge to see whether you should do Jinpu/Shifu?

WAR and MNK on the other hand, could certainly benefit from a gauge for Storm's Eye and Twin Snakes, since the primary decider of whether you should use Storm's Eye or Twin Snakes is how much time remains on those buff timers.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Does the SAM rotation allow so much flexibility that Jinpu and Shifu fall off if you're building Sen properly? I'm definitely not a SAM expert, but it seems to me that because of the nature of Iaijutsu/Hagakure, the primary decider for when to use Jinpu and Shifu is the need to combo into Gekko and Kasha for Sen. Is 40s not long enough that you would just naturally use Jinpu/Shifu on your way to Gekko/Kasha without looking at a gauge to see whether you should do Jinpu/Shifu?

WAR and MNK on the other hand, could certainly benefit from a gauge for Storm's Eye and Twin Snakes, since the primary decider of whether you should use Storm's Eye or Twin Snakes is how much time remains on those buff timers.

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Nah, you'd be surprised how long you can keep Iaijutsu going with just Yukikaze and Meikyo Shisui. You can throw your opener Higanbana, then throw 2 Midares with a Tsubame in the middle and by the time you're spinning around the third Midare, you can start with Shifu and lose Jinpu for 2 entire Sens if you don't know where your buffs are at.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

I'd def like one on WAR to track its buff.
I know you don't really need one, because you should be refreshing it regularly as part of our rotation, but it would still be very useful for me.

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Somehow they added one for MCH back in SB to track Hotshot buff. Which wasn't that necessary, it was always Wildfire -> Cooldown phase, refresh hotshot -> filler -> repeat.

And yet WAR and MNK, that maintain a buff, still lacks a UI element to keep track of said buff.
DRK has one, Ninja has one, Dragoon has one (but don't need it), Samurai doesn't need one since it's literally tied to the Sen.

SMN definitely needs a better way to trak Further ruin.

For SAM it's not really useful, since those buffs are part of your rotation and are constantly reapplied.
For WAR though, might be useful to remember when to do that second combo, SMN also would benefit from it for their stacks of upgraded ruin.

Completely! I feel that there are small perks that can be improved in the job gauges.

WAR: Inner Release having a graphical countdown diplay
NIN: The Ninjutsu charges being displayed
MNK: Dunno what they'll get in EW to make up for GL, but display that as well lol
SMN: Probably with big changes incoming, but Further Ruin stacks being tracked. I would even delete the Dreadwyrm Aether counter past level 74, as it serves to no purpose anymore by then.
BLM: This is the only job where I have to be constantly micromanaging Mana. With that said, a Mana counter in the middle of their gauge, so we don't have to bring that ugly parameter bar up everytime I use this job.
BRD: Add a visual counter during Mage's Ballad to indicate that the proc is ready. We have just a very suble visual indicator that can go unnoticed very easily.


Other than that, a little unrelated, it would be nice if they could let us make a macro to track just procs.

For example /actrack "Fan Dance III", being a command that only made the macro visible when the ability was usable. This way I could move a hotbar to the middle of the screen and add said macroes there and have them pop up as they become available.

I actually do this already for my UI, so I don't have to keep looking down to my bars to track my procs down, but it kind of clutters the screen a bit. I've tried to play with the Enhancements panel, but most of the time it keeps track of all sorts of other benefical effects that I don't need to keep up with.

Monk used to have one that tracked it's Greased Lightning, which I was honestly surprised didn't get adjusted to be the twin snakes timer.

But as for even that skill along with plenty of the others, you refresh them naturally by doing your rotation so you don't really need to track them, unlike Huton which you have to use a different end move to your rotation in order to maintain it.

I do agree with the comment, though, about getting a spot on the summoner job hud to track stacks of further ruin.

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Originally Posted by Kalaam

For SAM it's not really useful, since those buffs are part of your rotation and are constantly reapplied.
For WAR though, might be useful to remember when to do that second combo, SMN also would benefit from it for their stacks of upgraded ruin.

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I'm struggling a lot to keep the buffs up on SAM, and I play on 2k SkS. Mostly because I really like having Shifu up and tend to priorityze it above Jinpu, so sometimes I find myself throwing Midare - Tsubame without Jinpu and that is a massive DPS loss. Besides, it wouldn't hurt having it, would it? Maybe like 2 charms attatched to the "pommel" of the Kenki gauge. It doesn't hurt to be more informed. And if a DRK gets it for Darkside which I literally can not see it going below 10s under any circumstance, why not SAM?

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Monk used to have one that tracked it's Greased Lightning, which I was honestly surprised didn't get adjusted to be the twin snakes timer.

But as for even that skill along with plenty of the others, you refresh them naturally by doing your rotation so you don't really need to track them, unlike Huton which you have to use a different end move to your rotation in order to maintain it.

I do agree with the comment, though, about getting a spot on the summoner job hud to track stacks of further ruin.

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That's what I was talking about. You don't REALLY need any of those widgets. Even the ones we already got are kind of unnecessary. NIN gets 70 seconds to refresh his Huton and Armor Crush counts for 35 of those, which is massive, you could do that with just a tiny buff. DRK literally refreshes Darkside without meaning to by just keeping his Mana out of 10k. DRG only really runs out of Blood of the Dragon during massive amounts of downtime, so his gauge is more of a Life of the Dragon gauge. And most DRGs know how long they get with Life of the Dragon.

A truly elite player can play his favorite class with his hotbars entirely hidden and still perform. I'm not arguing for it being necessary to have widgets. I'm saying that they would be very handy to fall back on and, most important of all, it would look flashy and cool! And I love myself a flashy widget with fancy lilies on them!

No. Please, god, no. Not more doubtlessly obligatory UI bloat.

If they're somehow actually optional this time, sure, but even then I'd rather we go the way of allowing us to put our job core-skill duration trackers back on the status bar...

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

No. Please, god, no. Not more doubtlessly obligatory UI bloat.

If they're somehow actually optional this time, sure, but even then I'd rather we go the way of allowing us to put our job core-skill duration trackers back on the status bar...

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You are aware you can simplify nearly every single UI Widget to something like a tiny bar or a pair of boxes... Right?

Although I kind of get wanting the option to see some of those as buffs again. If one would prefer, Huton or Darkside could easily be made into a buff, I believe. And I ain't gonna complain about having more UI customization!

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Originally Posted by ReiganCross

You are aware you can simplify nearly every single UI Widget to something like a tiny bar or a pair of boxes... Right?

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Yes. First thing I did for each. Are you aware the Simple Gauge UI option is still going to split up my buff display further than, well, not splitting it, as per before the widgets' addition?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Yes. First thing I did for each. Are you aware the Simple Gauge UI option is still going to split up my buff display further than, well, not splitting it, as per before the widgets' addition?

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Yeah, like I said, I can respect wanting options for UI customization. I don't see how tracking a buff that can be lost among a dozen others can help but hey, some people just got used to it, it wouldn't be fair to remove it from them without an option of having it back. And some of the Widget stuff, like SMN Aetherflow stacks, have both Widgets AND the tiny buff displayed, so why not have it that way, right?

I don't even think you need to make it an option to display the buff or not, mainly because it will show up to a healer that clicks on you and it would be weird to click on a Warrior and not see Storm's Eye. And Widgets can already be turned off, so you can have it that way. I'm definitely not arguing that we need to remove the tiny buffs. I want MORE information, not less.

While UI elements would be cool for key buffs like shifu jinpu or whatever. i honestly would be fine if they just had filters on the status bars.. so i could essentially turn off icons for all the buffs i dont really give a monkeys about..

the problem with buffs imo is the status bar can easily become so cluttered with buffs seeing the key ones at a glance becomes a real pain.

its the same issue with the debuff bar on bosses especially in larger scale content.. are those my bard dots or someone elses. has another ninja put trick attack up or should iuse mine.. there's s much clutter on those bars it'd be so nice to filter stuff thats meaningless to me..

I'm a samurai. what do i care if if the blm has thunder on the boss or the scholar has bio i dont need to see those icons ever.. but seeing chain strategam or tricvk attack or something would be great without having to see all the useless clutter.

same goes back to the buff bar as well. i dont care if i have a card on me or not thats not my job i dont need that clutter on my bar. just let

filters would help so much.

they do have a show only detrimental status effects you inflict but that often doesnt help. as again you cant see if another ninja has put trick attack up or something such. and it doesnt work on healers as if the boss puts a debuff on a player you cant see it because you didnt inflict it so its hidden.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

the problem with buffs imo is the status bar can easily become so cluttered with buffs seeing the key ones at a glance becomes a real pain.

its the same issue with the debuff bar on bosses especially in larger scale content.. are those my bard dots or someone elses. has another ninja put trick attack up or should iuse mine.. there's s much clutter on those bars it'd be so nice to filter stuff thats meaningless to me..

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Yup, that's my primary concern. At best there's, like, a display priority on debuffs of the target. So if you have your Higanbana up, it would be the first debuff to show, then something important like Trick Attack or Chain Strat, and then just the DoTs. And you know which is yours by the color on the timer, so a green timer means the debuff was applied by you.

And that isn't enough for some things. I'd like to keep my buffs on the same priority when I'm playing the class. If I let Storm's Eye fall-off and someone gave me Plenary Indulgence and a Card, I don't want Storm's Eye to be hidden behind those. That would go a long way torwards being able to keep up with your own key buffs.

But I still think a really cool UI Widget to look at would be even better, only because I like how the non-simplified stuff looks. I'd probably be satisfied with a number on the Wildfire marker for every Weaponskill I put under it, so the Icon have 6 stages to let me know if I managed to put the 6 GCDs in them. But we could have a cool counter by the train-bar, that seems more fun.

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Originally Posted by ReiganCross

And some of the Widget stuff, like SMN Aetherflow stacks, have both Widgets AND the tiny buff displayed, so why not have it that way, right?

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Oh, for sure. My point was more that such have been the outliers; most buffs moved to the new widgets can no longer be seen via the buff display. They're gone. Thus, if even more are to be moved over to widgets, I'd want assurances that I could also keep them on my Status Effects (Enhancements) bar.

Personally, the largest boon for me would be in being able to order buff types, or even specific ones, along with which go where, between Primary and Auxiliary (both currently just "Enhancements") or be filtered out completely, and "Other" buffs. Ideally, I'd do the same with debuffs, on self and the target, as all I need to see from others are CC and vulnerabilities afflicted.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Personally, the largest boon for me would be in being able to order buff types, or even specific ones, along with which go where, between Primary and Auxiliary (both currently just "Enhancements") or be filtered out completely, and "Other" buffs. Ideally, I'd do the same with debuffs, on self and the target, as all I need to see from others are CC and vulnerabilities afflicted.

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This would largely solve my "need" for more widgets, though I would be happy with either option.
If I knew where I could glance up to see where my Storm buff is on WAR instead of having to spend a half second searching for it in the buff bar I'd be very happy.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

This would largely solve my "need" for more widgets, though I would be happy with either option.
If I knew where I could glance up to see where my Storm buff is on WAR instead of having to spend a half second searching for it in the buff bar I'd be very happy.

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Tbh, I've never really run into that issue. The icons are first-applied-first-displayed, so as long as you don't let it drop, it should always be 1st or 2nd (to Defiance).

Sometimes raid buffs may go out before you hit your 3rd GCD, but that also means you'll have 10-15 seconds left on SE after those same raid buffs disappear. Given that your combos don't split before the 3rd GCD, it's at most 7.5 seconds (starting from having just completed a combo) to refresh SE, even if having to spend gauge on a Fell Cleave mid-combo. There's no need to search frantically in advance.

That's not to say, ofc, that improvements to the game's buff tracking aren't absolutely needed, let alone lucrative; I've just never had any trouble tracking a maintenance buff on the Enhancements Bar, even as a excess-SkS Monk who'd purposely let Twin Snakes drop rotationally in the middle of 8+ other raid buffs.