I'm that type of people who can't decide what job to play and i need your help.
Right now i have the highest jobs - 63 ninja, 66 dancer, 60 red mage and i love mobility. BUT!
After playing ninja it's nearly impossible to play other jobs because of too long GCD(on main NIN skills it's ~2sec), especially i feel it on dancer - when shacrams already comes to my hands, but GCD still going and i'm just standing here and chilling. A little annoying.
So my question is - would it change at 80 lvl? Or better play ninja, try machinist with his oGCSs or ...?
Need help in choosing job :)
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07-22-2021, 05:03 PMDesireeLavorreNeed help in choosing job :)
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07-22-2021, 06:10 PMCKNovel
MCH tends to avoid GCD speed as much as possible, you have a fast paced phased every ~30 seconds and that's it.
MNK and SAM are other jobs with high GCD speed.
BLM is also a job that has a good affinity with GCD speed and it has tools to helps with mobility. -
07-22-2021, 06:50 PMDesireeLavorreThe problem is i don't know how job would feel at lvl 80..I tryed 60 lvl SAM in PotD and it looks very boring and simple. BLM - i can't even level my traumaturge, feels very slow for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by CKNovel
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07-22-2021, 10:48 PMHoehenflug
I used to main Rogue during SB and just today I got my SAM to 62.
I can tell you the job gets immediately MUCH busier at that level by having more kenki to spend, which translate to A LOT OF GCDs and mobility. And it only gets busier from there.
Also it's the only DPS I've played where you can actually notice your high DPS.
Which brings me to another point, NIN has the 'support tax' still for whatever reason. SAM will always be a full-functioning carry that gets all the party buffs.
That said, NIN is still a wonderful job to main and objectively has the best gear options. :p -
07-22-2021, 10:50 PMItMeSounds like you just want a job with either very high actions per minute (APM) or very low cooldowns/high skill speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesireeLavorre
If you're looking for a lot of button pushing, I believe the jobs with the most APM by role are still:
NIN, BRD, SMN, GNB, AST.
If you're looking for something with low cooldowns/high skill speed, I'd recommend on keeping with NIN, or trying out MNK (as they both buff themselves to attack faster).
You mentioned you also have Thaumaturge.
BLM has the lowest APM by miles. If you're enjoying it I would encourage you to continue at least levelling it since it opens up quite beautifully at higher levels, but it is def one of the slower paced classes so I'm not sure it fits your criteria. -
07-22-2021, 10:52 PMRyion
in my opinion, there is no "boring" class. All Classes have much to do at higher level.
Play what you like, you can change your class any time. ;) -
07-22-2021, 11:11 PMDesireeLavorre
Yeah, easy switching in FF is amazing feature. But right now i'm on heavensward dragonsong war quests and can easy level up job that i will choice as main. But i can't even imagine how to level another one after completing MSQ..It will take months ;D
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07-22-2021, 11:14 PMNaoki34You can increase the speed and decrease the GCD by doing meld Skill Speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesireeLavorre
At high level, I really like to have a hard cap of Skill Speed, it is a compromise between Crit > Hit & SS. With 1827 SS cap, I find it very fun, some will tell you that 1320 is enough, but I am mostly faster than them. Those who tell you that SAM & NIN are slow jobs just don't know how to manage them well.
I like very much the close and fast gameplay, for that SAM & NIN, suit me perfectly.
RDM is based on a mechanic where you cast a skill at 1.5 which allows the next spell to be instantaneous, it's relatively fast, it's probably the only caster I really like.
I don't like ranged dps like BRD, MCH & DNC, but I do play them when I want to go in mode, I don't care. But, I don't get any of the gameplay feel I like dancing with AoE and positioning.
The gameplay really changes with the level, the stuff, the meld (that beginners ignore). I prefer to do dungeons & raids at low level in NIN, because for SAM it lacks a lot of skill that makes it interesting. For me, NIN has less damage but it can burst really well and SAM a more constant dps, but higher because, it's a pure Dps job like BLM.
Some will tell you that SAM and BLM are selfish jobs, but I think they don't understand the concept of pure dps.
In NIN dps, mudra and debuff to increase group damage counts a lot, many complain about the low dps of NIN, but they just don't know how to exploit their jobs. -
07-23-2021, 12:20 AMItMeNah, just a couple weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesireeLavorre
Hitting the leveling roulette consistently alone does wonders for your EXP.
Here are two videos that should tell you all you need to know about your levelling options and how to do so efficiently:
https://youtu.be/3IOdiwABIJk
https://youtu.be/uK5Oj3nPgMU -
07-23-2021, 10:29 AMWarlyxQuote:
Originally Posted by DesireeLavorre
mnk , nin , mch / brd (thanks to Ogcds) , sam
tbh most jobs arent complete until 80 , at 60 sam is meh , at 80 is another thing , only1 that doesnt change that much is mch after u get drill -
07-23-2021, 11:08 AMsilverdragontyr
Mnk is definitely one of if not the fastest job at max level. It does have a lot of positional requirements for good damage but is fun if you like a combo master job. Keep in mind it will likely get a big shakeup in November. As said above Mch feels fast due to all it's oGCD where you're basically always doing something. Try everything out, see what you like. That's the great thing about FFXIV vs other MMO. You're not limited at what jobs you play. Unless you're Blue Mage.
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07-23-2021, 11:32 AMDesireeLavorre
Thank you all. Right now i'm thinking to level both NIN and RDM to 80, because i love their utility and mobility. And probably sometimes leveling my SAM to higher levels to check what it is.
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07-23-2021, 02:51 PMItMeGood picks and have fun~Quote:
Originally Posted by DesireeLavorre
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07-23-2021, 11:44 PMDyvidI agree. MNK, NIN, BRD, MCH are going to feel like your fastest jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlyx
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07-24-2021, 12:31 AMZaythe
You sound so very much like me. Fast paced and mobility are what you look for! I’m kind of the same with SAM and NIN being in the low 60s and struggling with them but, I do know they get better.
I’d like to suggest DRG. It starts so damn slow I know but, it really picks up pace with ogcds which, it has a lot of. More than any other job I’m sure. It really has such a busy feel to it.
It’s mobile too with all the different jumps it has. I find myself evasive jumping forward just for the hey of it. Honestly I started levelling back in the day and kept putting it down it felt so slow. I very much regret taking my time with it and it has become my favourite job hands down.
Give it a good go. It’ll be a slug at the start but, it just gets more and more fun as you add to the toolkit. -
07-24-2021, 10:48 AMDesireeLavorre
What do you guys think about MCH?
I tryed it only in PotD, but looks very fun. Huge damage and ranged. -
07-24-2021, 10:59 PMDyvid
A key thing to remember on DPS is that it's built on a scale. Some jobs have higher dps but no party buffs while others have lower dps but raise up the groups total dps. Also Physical Ranged (BRD, MCH, DNC) how something we call movement tax meaning that since it can run around the entire ring dps, it has a lower dps output that say blm which requires you to stand still and cast. Also keep in mind that while at earlier levels the 2.5s GCD seems slow, higher level start adding OGCD skills to fill that gap. Level 70 is were you'll really start see how a job plays. But back to your original question, yes MCH is very busy at level 80
Here is a video that might help you decide on what job to play: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_vH-1WZQ3A -
07-25-2021, 01:54 AMAnotherPerson
MCH is fairly fast paced due to its Hypercharge rapidfire combo - 1.5 GCD + Alternate between Heat Blasts + Gauss Round + Richocet. The other skills are much slower in comparison -Heavy Hitting GCD attacks, but because the speed at which you recharge Gauss Round and Richocet in the later levels is much faster and you can stack to 3 charges per skill, it becomes much more fast paced feel because you're consistently using oGCDs for a more sustained momentum. It's a bit on the slow side, but a lot faster because of the oGCD feel.
NIN has a 2 sec GCD so they're naturally a lot faster, but they burst windows have a huge APM increase because of how much skills / damage goes into their Trick Attack Window.
MNK is slow at first, but it ramps up speed with more stacks of Greased Lightning. Now as a passive trait, your GCD is extremely low at higher levels, so you're constantly attacking real fast. It doesn't have much oGCDs, but rather requires you to nail every positional within the lower GCD to do high damage. -
07-25-2021, 05:51 PMSiLanDan
I've just started playing last week so I'm new here. Started as THM then swtiched to Lancer cause I thought melee dps seem cooler more to do. At first I was struggling big time especially from lvl 1 to 15 with just hunting log. Then I realized I can do battle leve quest which gave me huge EXP. I was able to catch up to my level 37 BLM in a day and continue the MSQ. Not sure about training BLM at higher level but for me atm doing Battle Levelquest while queuing for duty seem to be really efficient thus far. I could be wrong.
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07-30-2021, 05:33 PMKolsykol
I don't think that you should worry about GCD, things speed up a lot.
NIN actually feels slower to me most of the time, during the burst phases it's fast but during the downtime when you're doing your 123 combo and ninki finisher which is what you'll be doing most of the time it's on the slower side.
Note tho that I am talking about how it feels, not the actual APM I haven't looked up that ( mudras add a lot to that ).
But I main MNK and I never feel like things are too slow on SAM, DRG, NIN, GNB or any of the casters which is mainly what I otherwise play.
DNC is a bit RNG but much like NIN it has bursty moments and then slower phases.
In the end of the day tho this game is very balanced, you can play whatever you want and it will be viable.
Just think about what you like the most thematically and go for that, things play very differently at max level.
That's why I've stuck with MNK since ARR.
While that is true, the meta GCD is very easy to and fast to reach and anything over that is not ideal.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naoki34
In some cases it can even mess your timings up, on MNK for example you very easily end up with SKS bloat which misalings your burst phase and on NIN you want to avoid SKS.
It makes it harder to double-weave too which NIN does and your mudras are not affected by SKS which makes it a very weak stat for NIN.
SAM does have GCD breaking points where things align well you just adapt your filler phase to it, but others like NIN and MNK are more negatively affected by it than SAM.
On NIN a lot of your damage will just be totally unaffected by SKS which makes it pointless and on MNK as soon as you go over 1.96 your burst phase alignment begins to become messy ( not to mention that more crits = more chakras ).
Basically you just want to reach the bare-minimum on most things and then avoid it like the plague.
Obviously if you just want to play that way you can, but it probably shouldn't be recommended and on a lot of Jobs it'll just mess things up. -
07-31-2021, 05:32 AMPrishax
Monk has really fast(low) GDC on max level with just the passives and some gear bonus stats, socketing speed materia is just a waste of stats. Basically every source in the net tells you that you should go for crit > DH > everything else. Also positioning boost is one of the less important things as a monk and you can´t even use all positionals(the damage boosted versions only i mean) on many types of content. Some people say Monk needs much positioning while thats half true at best. What Monk really brings forward is the right use of Six Sided Star and Forbidden Chakra which doesn´t need any positioning just the right order/combos of GDC and OGCD usage. Compared to that the positioning boosts are a joke, while, i repeat myself, you cant even use all positioning boosts often depending on content. It´s rather a little extra you may use if you can to increase your dps a little but it´s really not a big part of your damage/dps. Basically you are good to go if you just keep attacking from the side, while you won´t be able to attack from the back at quiet many types of bosses anyway.
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07-31-2021, 06:34 AMKolsykolOP....Quote:
Originally Posted by Prishax
Do NOT listen to this person.
They're just wrong and think that everyone else except them is playing MNK wrong including people who benchmark and make guides.
The only thing Prishax said that wasn't wrong is that the substat prio is crit > dh > det > sks ( a balance of dh and det seems prefered on MNK tho ).
But you still need to reach 1.96 GCD, you should avoid going above that if you can and don't go bellow it.
Edit: Positionals are absolutely 110% necessary you are losing out on A LOT of damage if you ignore them and Six Sided Strike is not part of your rotation it's utility if you have to leave the boss for a mechanic.
I think Prishax is either a troll or is talking about Delubrum Reginae where bosses have no positional requirements or big bosses that are facing you and you can't get behind but those bosses still count as being hit by positionals from the front and they're a very small minority of the fights so it still makes no sense.
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07-31-2021, 09:43 AMRamura_SonoMain Monk here you need to check your rotation... we start: Form Shift, Shoulder tackle, Anatman only 2 stacks, true north, Dragon Kick, Bootshine, Twin snakes, Snap punch, True north, Dragon Kick, Bootshine, Twin snakes, Snap punch.. now you have 10%+ damage for 8 sec and 4 stacks of greased lighting... Riddle of fire 25%+ damage, "Six-sided star", The forbiden chakra, Brotherhood, "Six sided star", Elixir field, "Six sided star", the forbiden chakra, "Six sided star", Tornado kick.... Perfect balance x 4 times Snap punch, and you have again 4 greased lighting.... sometimes i steal the aggro from the tank. but again i main Monk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Prishax
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07-31-2021, 11:07 AMDarkstrideGiven that you're a Monk main, I'd like to know how you're gaining 4 stacks of Greased Lightning since it was removed as a mechanic and is now instead a Trait.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramura_Sono
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07-31-2021, 11:49 AMKolsykolAnd also no..............Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkstride
Don't use SSS in your single target rotation...
OP please if you're gonna play MNK join the Discord server called '' The Balance '' and look at the guides there, some of what I see people say on these forums is hurting my soul lol.
None of this even makes logical sense either so it's also hurting my head.
Edit: To be clear yes, SSS is a single target ability.
But you should only use it when the boss is going away or you have to go away from the boss for a mechanic.
It's not part of your actual rotation.
Edit 2: Actually based on what I've been reading lately maybe join the Discord regardless of what you play. -
08-05-2021, 09:23 AMRopeDrink
Levelling alt-jobs doesn't take months.
Simply having a higher level job means the lower get XP gain. You have food buff, FC-XP buff, ring + earring items that give you +XP below certain levels (with the latest earrings from Endwalker pre-order being usable up to level 80), daily roulette spam, Khloe Journal (which practically gave me a whole level for what I'm levelling right now - which was 60 at the time - with me 4% from 71 the next day just chilling in max-level dungeon spam.
That doesn't include other activities - Gangos, PotD/HoH, first-time completion of dungeons/trials as a new job, synced dungeons, the job questlines, and whatever tonne of other things I'm missing.
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With all that in mind, the last thing you should do is ask other people what they think you might like -- because they're not you and will never know. People can maybe tip the balance if you're on the fence via certain info (like playstyles), but really, only you will know what you'll end up liking. I never thought in a million years I'd like Black Mage, yet it easily because a firm favourite whenever I want to dish damage. I main a Healer, yet I have 3 max-level tanks and Dark Knight at level 50 after a day of chilling. I play whatever depending on my mood rather than worry about a 'main', which I'd only really consider if I was constantly pushing in Extreme/Savage/Ultimate, and even then you can still flex with jobs.
This is a game where you should think less about "Which SINGLE class will I like" -- >>> replace that with "Let me try them all and see which ones takes my fancy". If you like one now, use that to push the MSQ, then use experimentation to pass the time. See what the other jobs feel like to you. Maybe one will take over as your new main, maybe one won't.
Do bear in mind that, being an MMORPG, classes will also change over time. What you might not like now, you may have liked before, or a different version in the future. It's why you should just dabble between jobs once you have the MSQ complete and experiment.