Hi Mates,
I came from WoW (with 2 other friends) and we are mainly PvP player. We started this game and like it so far but we miss some PvP in this game.
Is there a way that the Devs can implement a way to be able to duel? (like examine someone and request a duel with them).
Many PvPers in WoW had their best and most fun times while staying outside of the main city and dueling other Players. The dueling forged relationships and friendships and we would play the game for hours and hours.
This would be such a good move for FF14 so that more players would actually try this game and would play this a lot more.
Thank you all for reading.
Ex-WoW-PvP-Player
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07-20-2021, 07:16 AMYC66Ex-WoW-PvP-Player
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07-20-2021, 07:22 AMNaoki34
FFXIV isn't PvP MMO
PvP content is just to look pretty => Glamour.
No matter how hard they try to attract PvP players, the reward is not worth the effort.
You should have gone to BDO or others. -
07-20-2021, 12:35 PMPraesul
There already is dueling in the game. You can unlock Wolves Den Pier from your GC commander in any of the starting towns, the quest is called A Pup No Longer. It will unlock Wolves Den Pier which has a dueling arena all the way on the east end of the map.
The pvp is fine, we have a small and dedicated community. Some of us has been pvping in this game for 7+ years, and I personally know players who play XIV exclusively for the pvp. If you don't like it that's fine but you don't know how many times I hear "Oh I was told the pvp was terrible and not worth it but I actually really love it" from new players that actually give it a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naoki34
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07-20-2021, 05:12 PMOskarXCI
You can only duel at the Wolves' Den Pier.
As for the modes, there are:
The Feast - 4v4 - Only active when a new season begin. Outside of seasons, there are some discord servers that organize community tournaments from time to time.
Frontline - 24v24v24 - Active during prime-time. You would be lucky to get a DF pop during other parts of the day.
Rival Wings - 24v24 - Only active when the Revival discord server is playing. Friday and/or Saturday evenings.
There will be a fourth mode coming with Endwalker, and if comments by Yoshi-P are anything to go by, it sounds like it will be 8v8 but with more objectives to do than just killing the other team. -
07-20-2021, 05:36 PMHysterior
Yeah unfortunately FF14 is really not quite there when it comes to PvP.
If PvP is your main focus, I don't think this will be the game for you :/ -
07-20-2021, 05:46 PMAnhraUnfortunately, PvP in FFXIV isn't designed about individual performance, which makes Duelling almost completely pointless. Only Dps vs Dps can be considered a fair matchup, since Tanks and Healers are unkillable in a Duel Scenario if played correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praesul
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07-28-2021, 04:06 AMAlmagnus1Only way to 1v1 someone is to goto the Wolf's Den Pier and fight in the ring there. There's no other way to duel, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by YC66
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07-29-2021, 08:41 AMPuremallace
Dueling is done in the wolves den because in the real world abilities are not even remotely balanced and some jobs would get absolutely smoked hard by some abilities. Then you get the usual screaming on forums about classes being OP in situations that only apply to duels lol
Some devs have a fine line between PVE and PVP while FF14 has the Great Wall of China between the two. -
07-31-2021, 09:05 PMTaliriahIt could be if they wanted to. There's no need to be stuck in the "this isn't a pvp mmo therefore the pvp doesn't have to be good" circular logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naoki34
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07-31-2021, 09:42 PMPayadopaWarmest welcome if ever I've seen one. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Naoki34
I haven't touched PvP in years so I wouldn't know. But I don't like the whole vs thing. From what I hear from others it's pretty awful. -
07-31-2021, 10:16 PMAdeacia
I've tried dueling in this game. It was pointless since the fight never ended. I'm a healer so I can keep myself alive pretty much forever.
Had a healer vs healer fight. It was endless.
Had a healer vs tank fight. Same thing.
Not sure if I ever fought a dps since its been a long time and I barely did duels anyway. Game is balanced around group pvp, and that isn't even that good. This game has pvp just so it can say it does, in my view at least. -
07-31-2021, 10:58 PMAnhraThe Problem with PvP in this game is that it relies too heavily on raw damage abilities and stalls too long with overpowered single target healing which is backed up by 3 charges of Medical Kit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adeacia
I can only hope that PvP gets a proper rework one day which adds more variety on both Jobdesign and combat overall. -
08-02-2021, 10:45 AMkpxmanifestoWelcome. Always glad to have more pvpers. Pvp is pretty good in this game and you can duel people at the wolves den pier. The battlegrounds are a lot more popular than arenas in this game and its good fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by YC66
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08-03-2021, 02:56 AMOskarXCIA big PvP rework already happened with Stormblood, which made balancing easier and less time consuming for the developers. I can't see them doing another big rework. Oh, some people think it's unbalanced anyway? Well, it would have taken up a lot more resources and time if we still had the Heavensward PvP system, which was a nightmare to play on controllers btw. PvP in XIV is a side activity, not a main feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anhra
Since big reworks for many jobs on the PvE side of things happen every expansion, it made more sense to completely separate PvE and PvP action sets.
The Feast is what jobs are balanced for. Not 1v1 duels. Dueling is just something you can do while waiting on the DF to pop. -
08-03-2021, 05:14 AMkpxmanifestoQuote:
Originally Posted by OskarXCI
I have a feeling that people who expect balance in dueling are new to the mmorpg genre and don't understand that class abilities cannot be balanced in 1v1 combat. WoW 1v1 combat certainly isn't balanced (i.e. lock vs rogue, warr vs mage, healer vs healer etc.) and GW2 doesn't even bother with having a dueling system. -
08-03-2021, 06:17 AMAnhraFeast is more or less just a running joke. If it werent for the exclusive rewards for the top 100 elo boosters, noone would bother doing it. And since Rival Wings is completely dead on EU and probably US as well, that leaves us with Frontline as the only active mode for PvP.Quote:
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Also, just because PvP isnt FFXIV main focus, shouldnt mean that PvP should be designed half-heartedly and in favor for People who dont even care about it in the first place. -
08-03-2021, 08:07 AMZsolenModes are only slow to pop, when people discourage others from playing them by using words such as "dead" to describe them. If people believe something will pop, they will queue for it. It happens all of the time. People want to play, but then others tell them it is dead and not to bother and that it sucks anyway. Data centers have Rival Wings nights, so people can play it weekly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anhra
The vast majority of people that place top 100 are not boosters, win traders, or cheat in any way. Most people that place in the top 100s report cheaters. I've reported cheaters multiple times. Primal generally suffers from cheating the most and is more the exception rather than the rule.
Really the only sentence that has any truth to it is the first one, but that is because SE does not punish actual cheaters. However, the same could be said for the crafting/ gathering seasons and even raids. -
08-04-2021, 03:03 PMXyranthion
Hi hi! There’s definitely a small PvP scene in XIV that revolves around a couple discords.
I’ve played quite a lot of PvP in XIV, not as much as some long time vets, but enough that most of my jobs are by a large margin leveled through PvP and my main takeaways:
For Frontlines it’s balanced well. It seems PvP was balanced with larger scale battles in mind. Rival Wings is actually amazing. It only pops on Friday/Saturday when discords organize for it. Ranked feast….Oh boy:
I want to like feast so very badly but it takes amazing game sense and timing and focus to know what’s going on, who’s using what cool down/defensive/CC, bursting perfectly in synch with your team’s melee/ranged based on a countdown and much more. The addition of potions into the game made getting a good burst to get a kill even harder. All of this is just exacerbated the “polling rate” of XIV’s netcode in the game engine itself. It doesn’t feel as responsive or snappy as other games.
Balance is also pretty bad for feast. BLM is far ahead of other ranges. Melee is decently balanced but DRG pulls ahead quite often. The reward structure for ranked feast is also lacking.
The rewards for feast are great. The armor sets looks fantastic, the mounts are unique, but it’s only available to the top 100 of the each DC. It feels really bad to me to play many hours of a mode the game is not designed well for, only to be competing with vets that get top 100 season after season, and have only a title to show for it. There’s no seasonal gear you can get that looks similar to the top 100 gear (like conquest gear vs. elite gear in WoW arena). You’ll get no mount for it either. You’ll just get a title corresponding to whatever bracket you finished the season in and the title is the same for each season. Brackets have no rating decay, which leads to a huge influx of players for the first couple weeks and then the queue gets longer and longer and the prime time shortens. It needs rating decay and a reward structure that allows the use of wolf collars (gained at end of season) to be turned in for armor/mounts.
There’s also an issue with win trading and outright hacking. As far as I know there was only ONE speed hacker in my DC who everyone agreed to throw the match if he was on our. An egregious win trader has been reported numerous times who still ends up getting rewards anyways.
If XIV’s small PvP community wants PvP to be taken seriously, the dev team needs to take it more seriously and have better incentives/rewards, balance, gameplay feel, rating decay, and consequences for bad actors. -
08-05-2021, 05:14 AMRansuThis literally applies to any MMO.....Most people who duel are dps vs dps or dps vs tank. Its not common for healers to be dueling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adeacia
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08-05-2021, 04:09 PMOskarXCIThey plan to address the reward structure with the new small-scale mode coming with Endwalker. Depending on the reception for the new mode, they might close down Feast altogether or at least stop doing new seasons for it and have the new mode be the replacement for ranked PvP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Anhra
And as for who PvP should be designed for, the playerbase wasn't that big to begin with before the rework. The devs cared more about lowering the bar of entry for newcomers and making PvE and PvP balancing separate.