So I just raid led a Castrum/Suggestion

So here I am on a Friday night drinking Mango Pinapple vodka and orange juice and you know sometimes I need to switch it up. I decide to do Main Scenario roulette as I am leveling this Summoner.

I queue and see Castrum so automatically I expect to spend the next 30 minutes filling slots as people drop extremely quick because the XP is not nearly as good as Prae and FF14 normally have "magically server disconnects" when Castrum appears.

So it loads and we are in there. I notice it is me and 7 sprouts. Alright so internally I am sweating but being the kind gentleman that I am I decide to take the lead. I start doing markers on spot lights to let the sprouts know this is important.

I then assume ok maybe we got some levels 60's here or pre Shadowbringers people that have done this until I notice they are all following me. The internal sweating gets worse but I lead on!

I break down the point of this place and explain all the boss fights. We are all talking as they run different directions but following me in the end. I forgot how lost you can get in that place.

We get to Livia and I explain the fight. Taking her down I run back and forth from the cannons as the Sprout army kills the adds I ordered them too.

In the end we kill her. I wait......internally sweating more....I then leave and only one Commendation.

Suggestion: Square Enix make it easier to give me commendations. Like what is that?!??!

Naughty Puremallace! Naughty! Do you want Mrs. Smith to take away your medals again!?

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Originally Posted by Drakonic

Naughty Puremallace! Naughty! Do you want Mrs. Smith to take away your medals again!?

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In my RP world I am brought into a room where a forum mod slowly removes my medals then slapping me in my face in shame.

Casuals don't give commendations because they believe that it's Mentor's job and obligation to carry them while expecting nothing in return. There is a lenghty thread on the matter where casuals were demanding harsher punishments for Mentors that don't carry people through EX trials.

It is what it is. XIV's casual playerbase is extremely toxic and aggresive.

Shouldn't this be here instead of its own thread?
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/....-Let-s-vent.?


Also, what do you propose SQEX do to make it "easier to give me commendations?"

This may have possibly killed me. Thank you for this thread. You glorious unsung hero! I would commend you if I could. Though something honestly that would be nice, is the ability to com more than one person. I have had darn good groups in castrum and prae being stuck only able to give it to one person is heartbreaking. Also other alliances for witty things some have said that made me laugh in crystal tower series.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Shouldn't this be here instead of its own thread?
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/....-Let-s-vent.?


Also, what do you propose SQEX do to make it "easier to give me commendations?"

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Make it so that if you are a sprout you can't leave the instance until you commend someone or the rest of the party leave.

one should never expect to get comms. you should only just be pleasantly surprised you get any.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Shouldn't this be here instead of its own thread?
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/....-Let-s-vent.?


Also, what do you propose SQEX do to make it "easier to give me commendations?"

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Give people a notice that says, "you can commend someone other than the miqo'te you have been drooling over in the bikini".

I jest, though I have found recently many just do not know commending is actually a thing you can do. There are those who are already mentors and just do not think about it anymore, and some do not even say hi in a dungeon and use duty leave never even going through the exit portal. Also the standards some have for commending someone can vary. If you lb3 as a healer it is usually and instant com, if the run had another clutch moment coms go out, but for average smooth runs of anything most do not think to commend because no one was playing 'super well' if things go smoothly. It is just another day another dungeon. The few people I have inquired about why they commend people was all vastly different ranging from "They rezzed me so I gave them a com", "damn she fine" , "well she asked for one, I was being nice", "I liked their glam", "they were the healer and they kept my hp full", "they were healer or they were tank", and my least favorite "because ooooh wooooh she was such a cute cat girl(and or bun bun) oooh whoooh"(which most of these make me cringe no offense to anyone). I usually try to com the people I know are doing well, who are learning, friendliness, and kicking booty.

I don't agree with those of you that say the playerbase, especially the new sprouts (like me) are toxic, rude and all those other bad things. Lemme explain...I called up my character profile and found I has these things called "Player Commendations". I had no idea what those are or how I got them, so I had to do some research. After some time, I finally found they are given to you by other players...but no idea of how that mechanic worked. More searching, more searching....finally, I found out how to do it in a off-hand comment somewhere that it's a button on the bottom-right of your screen at the end of a run.

The problem isn't that you didn't get the commendations you deserved (and you damn well DID deserve them!) because of bad players, although I guess it's is still possible. I suggest it might be because the sprouts DON'T KNOW about player commendations or how to give them.

I've been playing for a few weeks now and that's my primary (only, really) criticism of FFXIV; there's not enough hand holding early on to tell you about basic mechanics in the game...and there are SO many of them. Doesn't have to be much; a quick tutorial in the Hall of Smith that discusses basic things would be sufficient. A quick fer-instance...I died for the first time in a dungeon last night. And I couldn't figure out how to ... well, the term I know is rezz ... I clicked the OK button, nothing happened. I tried all sorts of things, including clicking the OK button over and over...nada, nil, zip. I wasn't until I held my finger down on the mouse button for a second or so while clicking the OK button that I noticed the button had a progress bar, and when I let it reach the end, magically I was rezzed and could run after my party.

Who does that??!! No other program has a progress bar in a button...buttons are to be clicked, not held down!

Anyway, enough complaining. But that's what I mean, player commendations are just one of many little gotchas that (in my opinion) aren't adequately explained in the game. Now I know about them, I make a point of handing one out every dungeon I do. But sometimes, there's just one person left by the time I get to do it; the others have presumably buggered off without looking in the last chest or handing out commendations to others, or even stopping for a quick "Thnx All" to the party. That makes me sad...

If they were sprouts, they may not have known how to commend. Met plenty who didn't.

Also, did you dip when they were in cutscenes? I try to commend a lot of people who dip before I can.

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Originally Posted by Kaylal

I don't agree with those of you that say the playerbase, especially the new sprouts (like me) are toxic, rude and all those other bad things. Lemme explain...I called up my character profile and found I has these things called "Player Commendations". I had no idea what those are or how I got them, so I had to do some research. After some time, I finally found they are given to you by other players...but no idea of how that mechanic worked. More searching, more searching....finally, I found out how to do it in a off-hand comment somewhere that it's a button on the bottom-right of your screen at the end of a run.

The problem isn't that you didn't get the commendations you deserved (and you damn well DID deserve them!) because of bad players, although I guess it's is still possible. I suggest it might be because the sprouts DON'T KNOW about player commendations or how to give them.

I've been playing for a few weeks now and that's my primary (only, really) criticism of FFXIV; there's not enough hand holding early on to tell you about basic mechanics in the game...and there are SO many of them. Doesn't have to be much; a quick tutorial in the Hall of Smith that discusses basic things would be sufficient. A quick fer-instance...I died for the first time in a dungeon last night. And I couldn't figure out how to ... well, the term I know is rezz ... I clicked the OK button, nothing happened. I tried all sorts of things, including clicking the OK button over and over...nada, nil, zip. I wasn't until I held my finger down on the mouse button for a second or so while clicking the OK button that I noticed the button had a progress bar, and when I let it reach the end, magically I was rezzed and could run after my party.

Who does that??!! No other program has a progress bar in a button...buttons are to be clicked, not held down!

Anyway, enough complaining. But that's what I mean, player commendations are just one of many little gotchas that (in my opinion) aren't adequately explained in the game. Now I know about them, I make a point of handing one out every dungeon I do. But sometimes, there's just one person left by the time I get to do it; the others have presumably buggered off without looking in the last chest or handing out commendations to others, or even stopping for a quick "Thnx All" to the party. That makes me sad...

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You know as someone who mains a healer this poste really hits home, I had exactly the same issue when I started with the UI for accepting raises and it was so frustrating since it really is counter-intuitive.

It's good to keep in mind if ever a sprout is slow to accept a raise, once we understand how it works, we forget how many quirks people need to learn.

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Originally Posted by Kaylal

You are not a toxic sprout! Do not stress over this forum

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Aye! This is what I had mentioned, I did not know about them either until I got an achievement for leaving a good impression after getting 10 commendations. I think there may be a prompt that comes up about it, but it is literally grouped with a million other prompts about limit breaking and what a light party is, I was getting so flustered with all of the pop ups I was not going to read those all while the tank was going ham sandwich in sastasha/first dungeon I have ever done in a new game with actual people. I didn't want to let anyone down, so those prompts could wait....and than I promptly forgot all of them existed. I also must state everyone can not give commendations out to people who either poof from the dungeon or rush out without even saying goodbye T_T

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Originally Posted by Kaylal

I don't agree with those of you that say the playerbase, especially the new sprouts (like me) are toxic, rude and all those other bad things. Lemme explain...I called up my character profile and found I has these things called "Player Commendations". I had no idea what those are or how I got them, so I had to do some research. After some time, I finally found they are given to you by other players...but no idea of how that mechanic worked. More searching, more searching....finally, I found out how to do it in a off-hand comment somewhere that it's a button on the bottom-right of your screen at the end of a run.

The problem isn't that you didn't get the commendations you deserved (and you damn well DID deserve them!) because of bad players, although I guess it's is still possible. I suggest it might be because the sprouts DON'T KNOW about player commendations or how to give them.

I've been playing for a few weeks now and that's my primary (only, really) criticism of FFXIV; there's not enough hand holding early on to tell you about basic mechanics in the game...and there are SO many of them. Doesn't have to be much; a quick tutorial in the Hall of Smith that discusses basic things would be sufficient. A quick fer-instance...I died for the first time in a dungeon last night. And I couldn't figure out how to ... well, the term I know is rezz ... I clicked the OK button, nothing happened. I tried all sorts of things, including clicking the OK button over and over...nada, nil, zip. I wasn't until I held my finger down on the mouse button for a second or so while clicking the OK button that I noticed the button had a progress bar, and when I let it reach the end, magically I was rezzed and could run after my party.

Who does that??!! No other program has a progress bar in a button...buttons are to be clicked, not held down!

Anyway, enough complaining. But that's what I mean, player commendations are just one of many little gotchas that (in my opinion) aren't adequately explained in the game. Now I know about them, I make a point of handing one out every dungeon I do. But sometimes, there's just one person left by the time I get to do it; the others have presumably buggered off without looking in the last chest or handing out commendations to others, or even stopping for a quick "Thnx All" to the party. That makes me sad...

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you can always ask what happened or why youre KO. people usually no talk in dungeons... so well , maybe someone notice that was some mechanic and there is possibility they will tell you what to do

on to the topic post. well dont expect commendations, not sprouts but overall people not doing it and no matter how youre good or lifesaver :D its kinda loterry. i think best way how to get comm is be a healer o/

Comms for the Comms God! Blacklists for the Idiot Throne! I'm a Scrub Tank/Healer/Deeps, I never expect a comm from anyone and treasure any I may get. I know some people who only comm for the challenge log and others that want to comm everytime but people leave before the OK registers. Others comm when someone's helpful, some when they've been entertained.

tl;dr Getting a comm should be a feel good rush when it happens, but never be expected.

Seems about normal to be honest. I can run a mediocre expert roulette and get 3 comms, then drag a group through Aurum Vale the skin of my teeth and get nothing. Or my favourite, explain a trial, wipe 2 or 3 times, explaining everything along the way and....... nothing.

Just que up for cape westwind and have a macro made saying something like "Congratulations on winning the trials roulette lottery and getting cape westwind i am shamelessly aiming for commendations and would appreciate your continued support"
Because i know whenever i get cape westwind during trials roulette i feel like i won that day, and would happily give a commendation if someone got me that on purpose.

It would be about as boring as watching pain dry, but could honestly get the tank commendations needed in a few days.

We do it for the enjoyment of helping people and playing the game. :)

It's probably half and half. Like half of those sprouts haven't yet realized how to give commendations or why. The other half is the sprouts having their own ideas about who should get their comm. A lot of people who are stuck on getting or giving commendations usually see people being really helpful as, "This guy is just doing it for the comms, but he's not so great. I will comm someone else!"

Weird psychology going on.

Another thing is like, people only comm based on the skill they themself can perceive. Like you might carry a run on tank by being really good and using your heals and group mit to keep people up as the healers die or your invuln to buy just enough time for a healer LB3 or something... but the players just see, oh the healer LB3 saved us all! Everyone comms the healer.

There's only been one time when I got every comm from an 8 man group, and that was on my LP alt when I did Tsukuyomi for story. I clutched out a win with Living Dead, killing her with 4 seconds left on Walking Dead. This was after two wipes, so everyone wanted to be done. There was much rejoicing.

Personally I usually feel pretty good even getting one or two comms, because it means someone noticed me. I play a lot, so it adds up, and I feel like I usually get noticed. Not a lot of runs happen where I get none, even on DPS, so I can't really complain.

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Originally Posted by Kaylal

Who does that??!! No other program has a progress bar in a button...buttons are to be clicked, not held down!

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I can answer this one! The reason the "Hold to return to start after KO" was implemented is because the Raise button from a healer is instant, and people kept mistaking the Return button for a Raise button, and returning to the start of the dungeon mid boss fight by accident.

If you click once, it was a raise! If you click once and nothing happens, you haven't been raised yet. If the healer is still alive, give them a second, they might have had to dodge mid cast or lag ate their Swiftcast. If the healer is not alive, well, everyone is going back to start.

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Just que up for cape westwind and have a macro made saying something like "Congratulations on winning the trials roulette lottery and getting cape westwind i am shamelessly aiming for commendations and would appreciate your continued support"
Because i know whenever i get cape westwind during trials roulette i feel like i won that day, and would happily give a commendation if someone got me that on purpose.

It would be about as boring as watching pain dry, but could honestly get the tank commendations needed in a few days.

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I have a hard and fast rule that I never comm a person who asks for it. So this may backfire.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Another thing is like, people only comm based on the skill they themself can perceive. Like you might carry a run on tank by being really good and using your heals and group mit to keep people up as the healers die or your invuln to buy just enough time for a healer LB3 or something... but the players just see, oh the healer LB3 saved us all! Everyone comms the healer.

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Reminds me when both healers in a E12n run kept dying and getting hit so I was forced to be the rez mage for the day. Some of the dps were also getting hit too much and eventually it was only me, a tank, and like a random dps alive. So when the lb3 was ready got one of the healers up, had them smack that lb3, then we went on to pass.
Afterwards the tank who was on the floor the most: good job healer!!! You saved the run!
No comms.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

Reminds me when both healers in a E12n run kept dying and getting hit so I was forced to be the rez mage for the day. Some of the dps were also getting hit too much and eventually it was only me, a tank, and like a random dps alive. So when the lb3 was ready got one of the healers up, had them smack that lb3, then we went on to pass.
Afterwards the tank who was on the floor the most: good job healer!!! You saved the run!
No comms.

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I really should laugh but... dayum lol.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

I really should laugh but... dayum lol.

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I mean I find it funny now but i remember like logging out for the day after that one lol

I generally comm in an order.
1- Someone being really positive, or in rare cases someone who gets told off by another player (luckily rare)
2- Sprouts/people who are watching the cinematics
3- Someone who did something that saved the group (like a healer who brings up everyone when it looks like a wipe)
4- My role (if I'm dps, another dps, if I heal, another healer)

You prob got a comm from the other tank, imo.

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Reminds me when both healers in a E12n run kept dying and getting hit so I was forced to be the rez mage for the day. Some of the dps were also getting hit too much and eventually it was only me, a tank, and like a random dps alive. So when the lb3 was ready got one of the healers up, had them smack that lb3, then we went on to pass.
Afterwards the tank who was on the floor the most: good job healer!!! You saved the run!
No comms.

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That sucks :(

If I'm in the group, you'd get at least one. I try to give kudos in group chat so the group knows, too. I appreciate the assist from my rez mages and summoners.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I have a hard and fast rule that I never comm a person who asks for it. So this may backfire.

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I have a hard and fast rule that I always comm a person who asks for it. So this may not backfire.

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Originally Posted by Kaylal

I've been playing for a few weeks now and that's my primary (only, really) criticism of FFXIV; there's not enough hand holding early on to tell you about basic mechanics in the game...and there are SO many of them. Doesn't have to be much; a quick tutorial in the Hall of Smith that discusses basic things would be sufficient. A quick fer-instance...I died for the first time in a dungeon last night. And I couldn't figure out how to ... well, the term I know is rezz ... I clicked the OK button, nothing happened. I tried all sorts of things, including clicking the OK button over and over...nada, nil, zip. I wasn't until I held my finger down on the mouse button for a second or so while clicking the OK button that I noticed the button had a progress bar, and when I let it reach the end, magically I was rezzed and could run after my party.

Who does that??!! No other program has a progress bar in a button...buttons are to be clicked, not held down!

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I assume you meant the return to home point pop-up window?
Because the accept res button is instant and doesn't have progress bar.

Like someone eles has mentioned, the reason they made the ok button in the return to home point window has progress bar is because sometimes people mistaken it for the res window and just click ok and accidentally return to home point instead of being res. With progress bar, you won't accidentally return and can wait for the actual res window.

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Originally Posted by Fland

I assume you meant the return to home point pop-up window?
Because the accept res button is instant and doesn't have progress bar.

Like someone eles has mentioned, the reason they made the ok button in the return to home point window has progress bar is because sometimes people mistaken it for the res window and just click ok and accidentally return to home point instead of being res. With progress bar, you won't accidentally return and can wait for the actual res window.

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Not sure I understand so correct me if I say anything wrong:

You're saying the screen I saw was a "return to home point" window, and not a rez window. OK, in that case I don't know what a rez window looks like because the healer of the party didn't rez me. I may be mis-remembering this because it was all so quick and I was in the middle of combat and eager to get back to help my party...but I died, my toon appeared back at the start of the dungeon and couldn't move or do anything except click the button in some kind of window that popped up. I clicked and held the button, and then was able to run back to my party and finish the dungeon.

So with that description of what I "think" happened...can anyone tell me what really happened?

Another thing...this happened in Haukke Manor and the videos I've watched, and the one experienced person in game also did, was click their Return button to save time and go back to the beginning and finish off the third floor of that dungeon. I didn't do that because my Return button is set to Gridania...but I think perhaps if I had clicked my Return button, would it have taken me back to the beginning, and NOT Gridania?? This seems like it could be one of those little gotchas I mentioned before. :) Because I didn't follow the guides, I ran back to the beginning, and dragged a bunch of trash mobs behind me. Not that we has any problems...but pretty sure the one experienced player (the healer) did some eye-rolling at that point. :)

Mango Pineapple Vodka, ew.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

I mean I find it funny now but i remember like logging out for the day after that one lol

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I feel you, sometimes you've just got to take that L with pride lol

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Not sure I understand so correct me if I say anything wrong:

You're saying the screen I saw was a "return to home point" window, and not a rez window. OK, in that case I don't know what a rez window looks like because the healer of the party didn't rez me. I may be mis-remembering this because it was all so quick and I was in the middle of combat and eager to get back to help my party...but I died, my toon appeared back at the start of the dungeon and couldn't move or do anything except click the button in some kind of window that popped up. I clicked and held the button, and then was able to run back to my party and finish the dungeon.

So with that description of what I "think" happened...can anyone tell me what really happened?

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I'm world class at getting a battle rez, it's all the practice I've had.... Anyway, the raise window will have 3 options on it, accept, decline or wait. Return to home point only has 2. That's how I spot the difference in the heat of battle when everything is exploding.

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Originally Posted by Kaylal

Another thing...this happened in Haukke Manor and the videos I've watched, and the one experienced person in game also did, was click their Return button to save time and go back to the beginning and finish off the third floor of that dungeon. I didn't do that because my Return button is set to Gridania...but I think perhaps if I had clicked my Return button, would it have taken me back to the beginning, and NOT Gridania?? This seems like it could be one of those little gotchas I mentioned before. :) Because I didn't follow the guides, I ran back to the beginning, and dragged a bunch of trash mobs behind me. Not that we has any problems...but pretty sure the one experienced player (the healer) did some eye-rolling at that point. :)

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A common confusion for a new players first time doing Haukke manor this one. If you use return in a dungeon it won't take you back to your home point, it will take you back to the start of the instance instead. In Haukke Manor it's the quickest way to get out of the basement after the 2nd boss so that's what everyone does.

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Originally Posted by Drakonic

Naughty Puremallace! Naughty! Do you want Mrs. Smith to take away your medals again!?

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He probably bored the sprouts to death talking about FF14 vs WoW

I wish I could give more than one commendation. I've been in groups where different people played well and saved the day, and they all deserve commendations. I usually end up giving it to one of the healers or tanks.