Idea for housing system

How about this: so a player must reach the required GC rank (let's say second commander or something) to be able to purchase a permit from the GC, then when the player uses it that player will begin queuing for a plot (just like how login queue works), player can see how many players queue in front him by using the in-game timers.

Whenever there is an empty plot is available the game will send a mail to the first player of that queue, that player will have 24 hours to answer the mail that he can either chose to purchase that plot or if that is not the plot he wants then he may pass it for the next player (if possible its also a good idea to let the player chose what specific condition to queue for). And maybe the game can detect if the player receives the mail while online that mail will only have about 2 hours to answer so it could queue a bit faster.

What do you guys think about this, because it's queuing so you don't have to do anything while waiting so this should prevent the situation right now that the player has to clicks spam in front of the placard I'm not sure if anyone had this idea before, this idea just pop out from my mind just now, I think even Ishgard is coming it's probably not gonna stop players spamming in front of the placard without sleeping for days.

We're getting a RNG lottery for EW so have fun getting that house now.

They're working on a lottery system of sorts for Endwalker so i think that will help a good deal, at least in the sense of people not having to sit around clicking or using click bots to try and get a plot.

That is the best news I've seen yet. Thank god for a Lottery system. Trying to get a house is annoying. I rather lose by chance than lose by bots.

I know about the lottery system, just wonder if there is another better solution, because I don't really think the lottery system is the best solution for this, but we'll see.

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Originally Posted by Seer7

I know about the lottery system, just wonder if there is another better solution, because I don't really think the lottery system is the best solution for this, but we'll see.

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The best would be buy a whole bunch of new servers and figure out a way to have so much server space for Housing that anyone can get a house if they wanted it.

That is the best solution :) well I think so anyway. lol

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

They're working on a lottery system of sorts for Endwalker so i think that will help a good deal, at least in the sense of people not having to sit around clicking or using click bots to try and get a plot.

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The only thing the lottery is gonna fix is the fact that housing is unreliable will no longer damage the players trying to get a house.
The problem with housing is the fact that it's unreliable. So a lottery does not fix the core issues with XIV's housing crisis.

Housing is only going to be fixed when we get fully customizable instanced housing. Interior and exterior. (preferably with an upgrade path from small to large, and maybe even different default layouts)

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

We're getting a RNG lottery for EW so have fun getting that house now.

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Should be good as long as players can't change overnship of the house without a new lottery. Or we will just end up with power users having multiple characters all bet.

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Originally Posted by Seer7

I know about the lottery system, just wonder if there is another better solution, because I don't really think the lottery system is the best solution for this, but we'll see.

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Literally anything is better than a RNG lottery imo.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

We're getting a RNG lottery for EW so have fun getting that house now.

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I agree. I can't get note 44 or 45 to drop for me lets hope housing isn't the same. Yeah right. Nothing like letting rng be your guide. Glad I own housing and don't have to deal with this can of worms that is about to hit the scene.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Literally anything is better than a RNG lottery imo.

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Hard disagree. I think that being able to pay into a lottery and then get your gil back if you lose is infintiely better than competing against click bots for random timers.

Yes, rng is rng and it can suck, but on the other hand, it's more fair than the clickbot situation we have now, and less time consuming if you want to be doing other things in the game beyond standing next to a placard waiting.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Hard disagree. I think that being able to pay into a lottery and then get your gil back if you lose is infintiely better than competing against click bots for random timers.

Yes, rng is rng and it can suck, but on the other hand, it's more fair than the clickbot situation we have now, and less time consuming if you want to be doing other things in the game beyond standing next to a placard waiting.

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They are replacing one bad system with another bad system. Two wrongs don't make a right, and neither are beneficial to the player base. Anyone who thinks a lottery is better is naive.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

They are replacing one bad system with another bad system. Two wrongs don't make a right, and neither are beneficial to the player base. Anyone who thinks a lottery is better is naive.

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It's not a perfect system, but both systems having flaws doesn't mean they're equally bad.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

It's not a perfect system, but both systems having flaws doesn't mean they're equally bad.

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Except they are equally bad.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Except they are equally bad.

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We'll have to agree to disagree on that then. I think being able to pay into a lottery and then go about your day is a huge improvement over having to stand around waiting for a random timer competing against people with click bots.

It's not perfect. It's not going to solve the massive shortage of housing plots. A lottery system does not mean the housing issues are fixed and they don't need to ever do anything else. But I'd take a lottery system any day over the click bots requiring your character to stand at a placard for hours on end.

You people seem to forget something. They're not replacing one system with another, they're running both systems. You get housing wards that keep the current "first come first serve" system and then you get housing wards that have the lottery system.

Nah lottery is better.

What is that people LOVE to say in this community? "FFXIV respects your time"?

The lottery definitely respects your time better than a stupid placard spam system.
Unless of course you're a bot user, and definitely don't want to lose the advantage you currently have. :)

We have a housing forum. Please keep discussions like this quarantined there.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

I agree. I can't get note 44 or 45 to drop for me lets hope housing isn't the same. Yeah right. Nothing like letting rng be your guide. Glad I own housing and don't have to deal with this can of worms that is about to hit the scene.

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Yeah same, i'm just afraid I will not able to relocate to Ishgard now but maybe current house owners can go around the rng but that's wishful thinking at this point.

I'm so glad they added RNG. Like I saw a house on sell and like a ton of people was just standing around clicking it over and over. Husband told me about how the system worked and I LOL so hard. At least it being random, I don't got to waste my time. Or do like some of these people do. Use a bot.

I know I'll enjoy seeing the hipocrisy of the housing fans when they complain about the RNG screwing them out of their chance to move despite how much they dedicate to decorating and planning. Probably some of the same people who clap every time pve content and job play in the game gets oversimplified for sake of accessibility.

Well, if you think accessibility is so good you'd better be ready to see it affecting housing too.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

I know I'll enjoy seeing the hipocrisy of the housing fans when they complain about the RNG screwing them out of their chance to move despite how much they dedicate to decorating and planning. Probably some of the same people who clap every time pve content and job play in the game gets oversimplified for sake of accessibility.

Well, if you think accessibility is so good you'd better be ready to see it affecting housing too.

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Of course, they said the same thing when the timer was implemented.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

I don't got to waste my time. Or do like some of these people do. Use a bot.

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Wasting your time is a player choice. The system isn't intended to click for 10+ hours in a row. Generally speaking a plot is unavailable the first 8 hours from it goes on sale so you should go back after 8-9 hours unless someone relocated to it.

Second, I don't think as many uses bots as some people think, most keyboards nowadays have macro capability and while that automates work and is technically against ToS it isn't a bot.

The lottery only applies to HALF the wards in Ishgard, the others are the same as they always have been. I think both are still going to cause issues; nothing is stopping rmt sellers to just use many accounts to try, so it still doesn't solve the issue.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

The lottery only applies to HALF the wards in Ishgard, the others are the same as they always have been. I think both are still going to cause issues; nothing is stopping rmt sellers to just use many accounts to try, so it still doesn't solve the issue.

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I don't think the lottery applies day one but for houses that are under a timer due to demolition. I believe housing with be first come first server as it's always been with the new wards but I could be wrong. They also haven't stated how many wards will be FC only. I would hope they're not half the wards because that just invites more people to create small FC's as opposed to purchasing a private.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Wasting your time is a player choice. The system isn't intended to click for 10+ hours in a row. Generally speaking a plot is unavailable the first 8 hours from it goes on sale so you should go back after 8-9 hours unless someone relocated to it.

Second, I don't think as many uses bots as some people think, most keyboards nowadays have macro capability and while that automates work and is technically against ToS it isn't a bot.

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That is too much trouble, and I really don't know if it is bots or not. But watching a huge crowd stand around waiting to get lucky is annoying. So I like rng bidding and if I get lucky cool. It means I don't got to stand around long hours to wait.


Is is perfect? Nope, but it is much better than macros/bots/or just coming back every 8 hours whatever.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

I know I'll enjoy seeing the hipocrisy of the housing fans when they complain about the RNG screwing them out of their chance to move despite how much they dedicate to decorating and planning. Probably some of the same people who clap every time pve content and job play in the game gets oversimplified for sake of accessibility.

Well, if you think accessibility is so good you'd better be ready to see it affecting housing too.

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We don't know that's going to happen. SE has not told us how relocation will be getting affected by the new systems. It's always possible it will bypass the lottery system just as it currently bypasses the purchase timer.

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Originally Posted by Infindox

The lottery only applies to HALF the wards in Ishgard, the others are the same as they always have been. I think both are still going to cause issues; nothing is stopping rmt sellers to just use many accounts to try, so it still doesn't solve the issue.

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We don't know that either. YoshiP even said they have yet to decide how to allocate the wards types.

There are always going to be issues as long as there are fewer houses than players who want to buy a house and multiple house ownership is allowed to aggravate the problem. Players forget the one personal house restriction is only per world, not per account. I have characters on 8 different worlds. That means I can own 8 personal houses if I want. If I ever decided to do it, 7 other players who want a house would not able to get one.

SE needs to stop pouring resources into their heavily flawed ward system and start putting them into one that will accommodate all players who want a house.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

That is too much trouble, and I really don't know if it is bots or not. But watching a huge crowd stand around waiting to get lucky is annoying. So I like rng bidding and if I get lucky cool. It means I don't got to stand around long hours to wait.


Is is perfect? Nope, but it is much better than macros/bots/or just coming back every 8 hours whatever.

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Are you going to be happy with the system when you still can't get a house?

While not perfect, things have been slowly going in the right direction.

Adding the timer was the lesser of two evils. As annoying as they are, at least it limits plot flipping to an extent, but they didn't go far enough. By allowing transfers, better plots can still be 'sold' to people with less desired plots.

The timers however have their own problems that will, to an extent, be dealt with by the lottery system, but because the lottery system is only applying to SOME wards for some reason it's once again a half measure that won't entirely address the issue. But at least people will have a choice to just focus on lottery wards I guess?

What they ought to do is implement the lottery system into every ward, including transfers and new purchases both.

As for how many people use clock bots, even if the number were zero the timer system would still be flawed and the lottery system will still be a better alternative to making people stand around for hours clicking, because if they don't someone else will instantly snatch up the plot and you'll essentially never have a chance.

The idea solution would be to add enough plots, or a separate instanced housing system EVERYONE has access to, but I don't expect that to happen. The population influx is going to make keeping up with plots even more difficult and I don't know if their servers could actually handle giving every character an instanced house. Even if it was say, limited to level 90+.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Hard disagree. I think that being able to pay into a lottery and then get your gil back if you lose is infintiely better than competing against click bots for random timers.

Yes, rng is rng and it can suck, but on the other hand, it's more fair than the clickbot situation we have now, and less time consuming if you want to be doing other things in the game beyond standing next to a placard waiting.

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But why don't just make a system like what I talk about at the beginning? if we are talking about a fair way to buy a house queuing is going to be the fairest way, people may think that is too many players want a house so is almost impossible to queue until you, but the same thing happens in lottery system or what the situation right now, some people might say lottery system is fair to people who come late, but what about those who already wish to buy a house for a very long time, it's not fair to them at all isn't?

I'm glad the lottery element is being added, but only in so much that it's going to stop what, imo, is exceptionally unhealthy and emotionally taxing behaviors and events. For people to sit there and pray at a placard for many hours on end, to the point you might consider it a health hazard, and then lose it. That's just... no.. nah... Can't have that. imo. To the level that I feel some people might permanently have had their experience of the game ruined, and such that losing to RNG will just be like "ARRGG" vs "I'm going to throw my computer out the window" lol.

I /expect/ that RNGeus is going to piss some people off, but I think the alternative makes this better. Doesn't mean all issues are solved, pack it up we're done, just that this devil is better than the other devil.

We'll always have these issues until there is instanced housing, and by that I mean housing that is able to meet the demand of every player. If not this game I hope they can realize that in the next mmo, it's potentially such a cool system with massively diverse potentials. Rather than the 4 areas we have now, games that go instanced allow you a huge array more of potential creativity (and there are systems that don't kill neighborhoods either, Wildstar had one, or you could potentially have a mix of physical and instanced if you wanted a bit of both worlds as which is the system I suggest these days as I don't want to kill a system others may enjoy).

Although I do think that some players may potentially become quite pleased with Sanctuary, if it is what I'm thinking it is - might have some homely / home base like elements, I kind of hope there is some progression and progression related to a few structures as well (like we see the windmill in the concept art). There is an opportunity to be in what one may compare to like an Assassins Creed homestead or maybe Garrisons (although one would hope if they looked at Garrisons, which I'm fine if they did, that A. they don't abandon the content like Blizzard did, and B. they noted some of the things Blizzard struggled with such that FFXIV just plainly does it better). It might be smart to include some furnishing slots in this system too, even if it's not technically fully a house or what have you (like 20 slots of outdoor furnishings) or whatever amount allows players to slap down some of their seasonal items they earn occasionally (or maybe seasonal events will come with 'kits' that can redocrate). Allowing players to connect their apartment room to the content could be a very neat effect, or at least have an inn room like option.

Anyway, back on track.. lol, so we've the lottery system incoming and to discuss the FIFO system suggested (first in / first out) - I think the problem there is you'd have bots or whatever have you people queue and queue and queue and queue. To the point that a new player joins the game and it's like "12,000 years before it's your turn". Which again isn't me saying I prefer RNG to dictate this, but that RNG can give people hope and freedom from the nightmare I've seen described by placards, and still works against the whole reselling market. Some people wonder why we had placards but before them reselling was rampant, VERY, rampant, except for locations that were deemed uninteresting lol (Goblet for whatever reason has low desires, I think it's cute but.. maybe just me). Like choosing to get stung by a bee or getting stung by 10 wasps. One might think "neither", but then you do neither and it's being stung by 12 bullet ants.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

We don't know that's going to happen. SE has not told us how relocation will be getting affected by the new systems. It's always possible it will bypass the lottery system just as it currently bypasses the purchase timer.



We don't know that either. YoshiP even said they have yet to decide how to allocate the wards types.

There are always going to be issues as long as there are fewer houses than players who want to buy a house and multiple house ownership is allowed to aggravate the problem. Players forget the one personal house restriction is only per world, not per account. I have characters on 8 different worlds. That means I can own 8 personal houses if I want. If I ever decided to do it, 7 other players who want a house would not able to get one.

SE needs to stop pouring resources into their heavily flawed ward system and start putting them into one that will accommodate all players who want a house.


Are you going to be happy with the system when you still can't get a house?

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Yes? Because I at least had a chance. Unlike the current system that is now.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Yes? Because I at least had a chance. Unlike the current system that is now.

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Just putting this out there, yeah you're getting a chance but it's still just as bad as the odds you have now, if not worse. Think of how many people will try to go for a house now that camping isn't going to be involved. You deal with 5-10 now, wait for that to double or triple. Now add in all the bots you normally deal with.

Nothing is going to change or be "fair" until they fix the ability for people to inherit multiple houses (as well as stripping the multiple FCs from said people) or put in instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Yes? Because I at least had a chance. Unlike the current system that is now.

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You have a chance with the current system. I know several players who got a plot recently without camping and without turning to the house flippers. They checked a plot, it wasn't available. They went to do other content. They came back and checked again - house was available and they purchased it.

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Originally Posted by Jadedsins

Yes? Because I at least had a chance. Unlike the current system that is now.

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So instead of dealing with 10 players you have to deal with 500+ sounds wonderful. Wish you luck and some will win but I predict we'll see tons of threads of unhappy people when the time comes. One has to wonder too if one can enter a lottery on more than one house at a time or if you'll be relegated to only one lottery at a time. If multiples are allowed it'll sure give those with lots of money an advantage.

Best time for new house acquisition is with new wards but given the expected influx of new players from WOW in particular and the new xpac in general the demand upon release with 6.1 for houses day one will be enormous. I remember the strain when 4.2 hit with many experiencing disconnects and this should be significantly worse.

We don't know the details yet about the release and who will have first access of it it'll just be a free for all but it won't be pretty I don't think unless there are significantly more wards added everywhere than most are expecting.