Job Framework: Beastmaster

So as we know beastmaster have been introduced as a NPC job in Bozja. I think the job has much potential as a regular job and Wanted to share a brief description of how I think they could be implemented as a player job.

Beastmaster
Tamers and trainers of beasts that have mastered the art of calling upon beasts to aid them in combat. While also formidable fighters in their own right which excel in physical prowess with a whip and axe in hand.

Weaponry
Similar to PLD the BST has a unique offhand item that can be mixed and matched with their primary weapon. On the right hand the BST wields a whip, and on the left offhand they wield an axe.

Role: Physical Range
The BST in this iteration would be our next physical range DPS. Similar to RDM they would have a frontline and range rotation.

Mechanics
The BST fighting style is similar to a mixture of GNB/RDM/SMN.
1.) They first start off using a four hit range combo.
2.) Between each strike they execute a beast call such as a flock of colibri striking the enemy.
3.) These beast call combos would build a gauge that would allow you to call a legendary beast such as Dawson to fight alongside you for a short duration which would provide you a strong melee buff prompting you to go into melee range to fight alongside your legendary beast and executing a powerful attack before returning to the backlines and the legendary beast departing.

Gear
Scouting

what no BST dual axes ....come on we need another dw job

wake me when we get more limited job news please, blu needs a bro

BST is likely going to be the next limited job.

The BSTs in bozja use a 1 handed axe and shield so that will likely be their weapon and given that it has a shield it will also likely be a tank (Using pets to dps/heal).

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Originally Posted by van_arn

wake me when we get more limited job news please, blu needs a bro

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No we don't need more wasted ressources

They shouldnt add more limited jobs and this is a limited job type of job. No thanks.

We're not going to get BST as a real job guys.

It should be a limited job, but it should also interact with the companion system.
BST should be able to tame enemies, and call them within instances, but any job can call them outside of instances just like you can with your chocobo.
That way it's adding something to your overall experience of the game, and isn't strictly isolated to its own content like BLU.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

We're not going to get BST as a real job guys.

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That makes no more sense than to say that Summoners could never have been a real job because they have to acquire summons...

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

That makes no more sense than to say that Summoners could never have been a real job because they have to acquire summons...

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There's a lot more to it than that.
For starters:
They can barely work out how to make SMN's pets work, they're not likely to want to open up that can of worms AGAIN with another job. SMN's pets have now lost HP and hit potential.
They've limited SMN to just three Egi's, because balancing multiple sub-jobs in this game isn't possible. So unless BST only has one or two pets....
They've already suggested Beast Tamer and Puppetmaster as potential limited jobs.

Plus 'summons' have been acquired in a number of ways throughout the series. BST, like BLU is iconic for taming it's own pets.

we should just make all jobs limited and endwalkers unplayable. We can only take crafting to 90 until 6.2. Problem solved.

limited job
weapon - axe and shield
skills - change based on beasts out
concept - a job that levels beast and uses them to fight alongside them
interactive/rewards - beast tamed and leveled to a certain degree can be used in the companion system. Maybe even a bonding system requiring other factors to allow using them outside of the BST class.
Idea being you level and train your beast so you can use them on your main with different beast, unlike the chocobo we have, only having a pre-set skills so you would ideally want to tame different beast for different situations. ie behemoth being a tank monster only able to tank, or a couerl being a damage dealer, etc.
Some colosseum stuff with both pve and pvp content where only the beast can fight and you command them resulting in glam rewards and such for accomplishing goals. not to different than BLU.

I think the companion system could really use some work to expand and the BST job would be a great opportunity to do so.

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Originally Posted by Shiro--Tsubasa

limited job
weapon - axe and shield
skills - change based on beasts out
concept - a job that levels beast and uses them to fight alongside them
interactive/rewards - beast tamed and leveled to a certain degree can be used in the companion system. Maybe even a bonding system requiring other factors to allow using them outside of the BST class.
Idea being you level and train your beast so you can use them on your main with different beast, unlike the chocobo we have, only having a pre-set skills so you would ideally want to tame different beast for different situations. ie behemoth being a tank monster only able to tank, or a couerl being a damage dealer, etc.
Some colosseum stuff with both pve and pvp content where only the beast can fight and you command them resulting in glam rewards and such for accomplishing goals. not to different than BLU.

I think the companion system could really use some work to expand and the BST job would be a great opportunity to do so.

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I do wonder if the minion ranch is going to be the bst stomping grounds.

I would enjoy there being content that would allow for taming of enemies and to train them but please no more limited jobs. Deliver that type of content through other means instead.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

I would enjoy there being content that would allow for taming of enemies and to train them but please no more limited jobs. Deliver that type of content through other means instead.

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Why though? Limited jobs are amazing at providing a different experience than what you’d get with the reskinned blue/green/red jobs we have now. It also a fantastic way to promote the social side of the game *with actual gameplay* outside of typing at each other as catgirls in limsa.

Heck, anything that will incentivize players to form their own groups outside just relying on anonymous matchmaking that requires communication for setup (even if that’s “hi, who’s going to tank and heal this) should be commended.

You don’t have to suffer in roulette purely for the sake of seeing numbers going up. Live a little.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Why though? Limited jobs are amazing at providing a different experience than what you’d get with the reskinned blue/green/red jobs we have now. It also a fantastic way to promote the social side of the game *with actual gameplay* outside of typing at each other as catgirls in limsa.

Heck, anything that will incentivize players to form their own groups outside just relying on anonymous matchmaking that requires communication for setup (even if that’s “hi, who’s going to tank and heal this) should be commended.

You don’t have to suffer in roulette purely for the sake of seeing numbers going up. Live a little.

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Yeah, don't assume what kind of player I am. I don't suffer through anything I don't want to do.

As for limited jobs, I'm completely against the idea of a job being ONLY side content. That I waited five years for blue mage to be announced and it was just some piece of side content. That doesn't mean I'm against the Carnival or other similar content being added to the game. I'd actually play more of what there is for blu currently if SE was to announce it would become a real job in the future but I don't want to add a +1 to the metric with how it is currently. I'm all in favor of what you said you like about limited jobs IF it didn't come at the cost of heavily restricting what a combat job could do in the game. So again, if the delivery method for this type of content was different then I'd probably be a fan and be another player asking for more of it. Instead both of our sides are fighting each other and neither side likely to get what they want as a result.

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Originally Posted by jon041065

Yeah, don't assume what kind of player I am. I don't suffer through anything I don't want to do.

As for limited jobs, I'm completely against the idea of a job being ONLY side content. That I waited five years for blue mage to be announced and it was just some piece of side content. That doesn't mean I'm against the Carnival or other similar content being added to the game. I'd actually play more of what there is for blu currently if SE was to announce it would become a real job in the future but I don't want to add a +1 to the metric with how it is currently. I'm all in favor of what you said you like about limited jobs IF it didn't come at the cost of heavily restricting what a combat job could do in the game. So again, if the delivery method for this type of content was different then I'd probably be a fan and be another player asking for more of it. Instead both of our sides are fighting each other and neither side likely to get what they want as a result.

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Dunno what you’re saying. I tried the system as it exists and I love it. Everyone’s losing their mind over a new dps and healer, but they’re just reskins of what we already have. I’d love to see beastmaster happen, even if that means we’d use a limited job to make it happen.

Maybe being willing to step out of your comfort zone to try new systems in a long-running series is an unusual thing for mmos, but that’s one of the few things that defines FF as a series.

Perhaps put the blu that only exists in your head aside and see if you can enjoy the blu that actually exists. Refusing to touch it and make demands on how to change it is about as useful as me, someone that’s never queued for pvp in this game, demanding a specific overhaul of the pvp system. Pretty sure “the metrics” throw my opinion about rival wings in the trash before anyone important looks further into them.

Honestly I think BLU has been brilliant.
Sure it had a bit of a pitiful start at just level 50 and it would be nicer if it could access some more content, but I've had groups of people playing just BLU to learn skills and gain achievements for the Morbol Mount.
It's kinda like there's three main facets of content right now that I can engage with other people in: Raiding (savage or extremes), Relics (Bozja, DR, etc.) and BLU (Coils and Alex savage).
Notice that means the other 17 jobs are bundled together in everything else, but BLU stands out on it's own. 'Limited' really is a misnomer, it makes up for it in other ways, other strengths, that other jobs can't fulfil.

BST could do something equally as impressive if it built upon and expanded the companion system.

Beastmaster whips or riot

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

There's a lot more to it than that.
For starters:
They can barely work out how to make SMN's pets work...

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Poor efforts towards one job is not a sufficient excuse to kill another in conception. Moreover, Pet AI/responsiveness will have to be addressed regardless of whether BST were limited or not, unless you literally want BST to do no more than have turn-based Pokemon battles.

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They've limited SMN to just three Egi's, because balancing multiple sub-jobs in this game isn't possible.

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What the devs will bother with is not the sole limit of what is possible.

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BST, like BLU, is iconic for taming its own pets.

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XI Player 1: *Does quest.*
XI Player 2: "Look guys, he tamed a wyvern!!"

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Why though? Limited jobs are amazing at providing a different experience than what you’d get with the reskinned blue/green/red jobs we have now.

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If the difference of having more than 60/90/120 second timers to hit occasionally outside of filling with damn near a single skill for the rest of the time in optimal play were actually entertaining, I might agree with you. But it's not, or certainly not nearly as entertaining as BLU could be with no cost to its unique acquisition systems.

Let me be clear: sometimes excessive grind aside, I love BLU's unique skill acquisition system. But none of that necessitates, nor excuses, a basic and dull playflow. You can build a fancy cake and still have it taste like a good cake. You don't need to deprive players of a fun or deep playflow just to make room for acquisition systems. The latter has absolutely no impact on the prior provided people intend to play BLU as a BLU (something that will take additional time to progress on, largely in compensation for its hyper-versatility). If they don't want to play BLU as BLU (and I don't mean just-another-caster-with-a-uniquely-shallow-playflow), they should not be the target audience of a BLU design.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Poor efforts towards one job is not a sufficient excuse to kill another in conception. Moreover, Pet AI/responsiveness will have to be addressed regardless of whether BST were limited or not, unless you literally want BST to do no more than have turn-based Pokemon battles.


What the devs will bother with is not the sole limit of what is possible.


XI Player 1: *Does quest.*
XI Player 2: "Look guys, he tamed a wyvern!!"

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Oh yeah, they will address it for sure.... by removing it all together most likely. That's why summoner has been getting trance instead of egi.

I mean this is just a matter of logic. If they are already struggling with SMN, a proper job with 3 egi, how are they going to make Beastmaster that's known to have multiple pets without making it unbalanced or clunky like early SMN?

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Originally Posted by Kozh

without making it unbalanced or clunky like early SMN?

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Except modern SMN is no more responsive than when pets had their own HP bars and could be used as mob-gatherers and/or tanks.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

If the difference of having more than 60/90/120 second timers to hit occasionally outside of filling with damn near a single skill for the rest of the time in optimal play were actually entertaining, I might agree with you. But it's not, or certainly not nearly as entertaining as BLU could be with no cost to its unique acquisition systems.

Let me be clear: sometimes excessive grind aside, I love BLU's unique skill acquisition system. But none of that necessitates, nor excuses, a basic and dull playflow. You can build a fancy cake and still have it taste like a good cake. You don't need to deprive players of a fun or deep playflow just to make room for acquisition systems. The latter has absolutely no impact on the prior provided people intend to play BLU as a BLU (something that will take additional time to progress on, largely in compensation for its hyper-versatility). If they don't want to play BLU as BLU (and I don't mean just-another-caster-with-a-uniquely-shallow-playflow), they should not be the target audience of a BLU design.

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There's plenty of things I'd like to change about the way blu skills work together when activated, but most discussion around that topic just try to shoebox them into the same old system everything else uses. As things stand, BLU excels at doing dumb things in dumb ways, and that's fantastic-- Basic Instinct especially takes that to the next level. I'd love for them to start locking out abilities based on elemental rather than cooldown, or perhaps set the player's element based on their active spells.

Sure you could just unsync spam things, but you could also get a little more creative and do things just because.

I think a Beastmaster should have a generic AoE and some generic single-target attacks all with fixed potencies, but the animation of those attacks should change depending on which beast you've decided to use.