Thoughts on players badly using housing

I want to know what are your thoughts on how do you feel about players that don't use their house properly.

Recently i was talking to a friend about how some people despite having a house don't use it at all. Me and he give up on having our own house since we have an fc house already and we spent most of our time in there, and since we do that buying a house would be only to show other people we own a house.
Since different from other games where your house is a instance and owning one does not affect other players, in ffxiv having a house is taking the spot from someone that can use it for a purpose. when we looked at our ward we noticed that many people didn't use their house at all, but, they came to it once a month to probably reset the timer and not lose it.
and while some people like that exists, a lot of people are looking for a house to have a place to their fc or a place to build their RP restaurants, i feel like this is wrong and have to be looked out
but what do you think about it?

First question I have is, what is your Definition of bad use?

Well I have a fairly good example I think. I bought a house for my FC when they added new plots last year. I got a neighbor that bought a house across from mine, but they never did anything with it. The yard and the inside remained barren.
Kinda makes me feel bad for the people who missed out. The house clearly was just purchased for the sake of it.

The ward my personal med house is in is pretty decent, usually some people hanging out and everyone has some nice yards.
Then there's the Large in the area. This Large house is owned by what appears to be a two person FC. The yard is completely barren except for an aetheryte and like a chocobo stall that never has a chocobo in it. I was curious to see who owns it and looked up the FC and the members on the Lodestone.... The leader is a level 50 BLM with nothing else touched and the other member has done barely anything as well. One of them comes and keeps the house from being demolished, but like.... I feel like it's a complete waste. I don't even want it that bad myself, just like give it to an fc or player that would use it or something.

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Originally Posted by Wilford111

Well I have a fairly good example I think. I bought a house for my FC when they added new plots last year. I got a neighbor that bought a house across from mine, but they never did anything with it. The yard and the inside remained barren.
Kinda makes me feel bad for the people who missed out. The house clearly was just purchased for the sake of it.

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I am still questioning the OP's view of what bad use is. I just took a jog around their ward and there are a lot of homes decorated inside and out. Not going to jump to conclusions on their view but I feel like I know what their view of bad use is..but they are claiming many dont use them.

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Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

First question I have is, what is your Definition of bad use?

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not using the property at all or not having a social/personal use.
i don't think you need to be at your plot 24/7, but different from other games you are ''taking the spot from someone'' that can use that plot for something. you can see sometimes plots that people didn't put anything on it, and sometimes you get inside it and you can only see a bell and nothing more, i know some people take their time to make their home, but i already saw on my previous ward a house that in months didn't get any furniture at all.
and theres people looking for houses to live, bring friends up, make a rp place.

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Originally Posted by Katsuia

I want to know what are your thoughts on how do you feel about players that don't use their house properly.

Recently i was talking to a friend about how some people despite having a house don't use it at all. Me and he give up on having our own house since we have an fc house already and we spent most of our time in there, and since we do that buying a house would be only to show other people we own a house.
Since different from other games where your house is a instance and owning one does not affect other players, in ffxiv having a house is taking the spot from someone that can use it for a purpose. when we looked at our ward we noticed that many people didn't use their house at all, but, they came to it once a month to probably reset the timer and not lose it.
and while some people like that exists, a lot of people are looking for a house to have a place to their fc or a place to build their RP restaurants, i feel like this is wrong and have to be looked out
but what do you think about it?

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Is this a troll post? Players that purchase a house may use it for whatever they wish, personal or FC. It is not up to others to decide how the game is played.

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Originally Posted by Besame

Is this a troll post? Players that purchase a house may use it for whatever they wish, personal or FC. It is not up to others to decide how the game is played.

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Yeah the house is yours and you can do wharever you want with it, but in a game where you have a limited number of houses we should complain whem people don't use their at all.
go buy yourself a apartment, if you don't put anything in at all you aren't taking that spot from someone, but in houses? yes you are taking a space that could be used by a player or FC.
or you think that: '' oh you want a house to hang out with friends, make a comfy place to stay sometimes, a FC or a roleplaying place? too bad i own it and even though i don't use it i need to have so i can say i own one and you don't "
that only would lead to toxicity.

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Originally Posted by Katsuia

not using the property at all or not having a social/personal use.
i don't think you need to be at your plot 24/7, but different from other games you are ''taking the spot from someone'' that can use that plot for something. you can see sometimes plots that people didn't put anything on it, and sometimes you get inside it and you can only see a bell and nothing more, i know some people take their time to make their home, but i already saw on my previous ward a house that in months didn't get any furniture at all.
and theres people looking for houses to live, bring friends up, make a rp place.

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Thank you for stating your view the way your post is worded just made it sound like a different view.

I strongly dislike seeing houses without even any gardens, or any decoration, but it's still their house.

Functionally, there's no difference between somebody constantly using their house and somebody that only prevents auto-demo. It's the same house being taken off the market.

Blame the system, not the players.

edit - That said, in most cases, these aren't "players", the plot owner is selling empty FCs with a plot.

And I don't see any practical solution that hasn't already been suggested like making housing instanced.

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Originally Posted by Katsuia

Yeah the house is yours and you can do wharever you want with it, but in a game where you have a limited number of houses we should complain whem people don't use their at all.
go buy yourself a apartment, if you don't put anything in at all you aren't taking that spot from someone, but in houses? yes you are taking a space that could be used by a player or FC.
or you think that: '' oh you want a house to hang out with friends, make a comfy place to stay sometimes, a FC or a roleplaying place? too bad i own it and even though i don't use it i need to have so i can say i own one and you don't "
that only would lead to toxicity.

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I have been playing a few years and NRVER heard a player do a neener-neener I have one and you don't nor have I ever stated anything like that. IMO, you are just blowing hot air and attempting to stir the pot, have a good one, done with you lol..

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

A few weeks ago I saw one of my favorite small plots taken by a bot. The bot was still clicking the placard hours after they bought the plot. Now weeks later, the house is still locked and the garden is completely empty. To me, this is the worst case of "badly using", imagine cheating to get a plot and then just abandon it. Yikes. My only hope is that the plot is untouched because they got banned after I reported them, lol.

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A small plot near me (I'm at Shirogane plot 28, a medium) has been playing musical tenants off and on for a few months now. First it went to an FC. Then it went to an individual who beat another FC who were all spamming the placard. After that I think it went to another FC that appears to just be a shell of sorts where the yard has been barren since, aside from an aetheryte and a target dummy. And even those took a few weeks to appear. As to what the inside consists of...no idea. It is always locked. I've never even seen anyone in or around the plot itself. Wouldn't surprise me to see it go back up for sale again soon. Not sure what it is about that plot recently. lol If it were real life I would assume the place is haunted.

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Originally Posted by Katsuia

Yeah the house is yours and you can do wharever you want with it, but in a game where you have a limited number of houses we should complain whem people don't use their at all.

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If that is your point, and not just coming here and asking us "what do you think about it?" I feel the appropriate place would be to complain directly TO the people you feel are using the houses badly.
(Not that I am encouraging we harass anyone. Please let's not go there.)

Every single personal house is not being used properly for the simple reason that it doesn't allow you to access FC-only perks.

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Tbch some of those ppl Could be playing the xfer to upgrade game in which case it’s completely dumb to refurnish something that’s not your dream crib.

Some may be waiting on funds to decorate.

Some could be waiting on a pro decorator to pimp their house.

List goes on. Plus it is none on your business what they do with their purchases.

There is no such thing as "proper use". There is only use or lack of use. The game sets no expectations for what a player does with their house, and the only requirement is that they enter it at least once every 45 days to reset the demo timer.

Does lack of use drive me nuts? Yes, it does. I know a couple of players who have bought houses and then ignored them. I ask them why they have the house if they aren't using it and the response is generally along the lines of "I plan to do something with it some day, just not yet, but at least I'll have one when I'm finally ready". I point out that there are other players who want a house that they would be actively using and can't get one. Their response is that it doesn't change their own wish to own a house and they can't control how SE designs the game so others can't get a house.

In the end the lack of houses is something that SE has to answer for, not other players. Let's direct our attention at SE, not at each other.

Also, lack of decoration does not mean the house is not getting used, especially if it is a FC house. Players buy FC houses solely for the workshop access on a frequent basis. Someone may like to use an empty house as a /gpose studio for getting screenshots of certain animations without distracting objects or scenery in the background. Unless you have camped yourself at their house 24 hours a day, you honestly cannot say whether or not it is getting used (and if you are camping it, why are you so obsessed you've turned yourself into a stalker?).

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Originally Posted by Caitsithhh

Plus it is none on your business what they do with their purchases.

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in a game where you have a infinite number of houses for everyone no, but in a game where you have a very limited number of it, yeah i think its everyone business to see if the houses are at least being used. Did you read some of the people? houses that on months didn't get decorated, this is unacceptable when there are people out there that would use it properly.
the problem is no 100% the player, SE need to see a way to fix this.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

There is no such thing as "proper use". There is only use or lack of use. The game sets no expectations for what a player does with their house, and the only requirement is that they enter it at least once every 45 days to reset the demo timer.

Does lack of use drive me nuts? Yes, it does. I know a couple of players who have bought houses and then ignored them. I ask them why they have the house if they aren't using it and the response is generally along the lines of "I plan to do something with it some day, just not yet, but at least I'll have one when I'm finally ready". I point out that there are other players who want a house that they would be actively using and can't get one. Their response is that it doesn't change their own wish to own a house and they can't control how SE designs the game so others can't get a house.

In the end the lack of houses is something that SE has to answer for, not other players. Let's direct our attention at SE, not at each other.

Also, lack of decoration does not mean the house is not getting used, especially if it is a FC house. Players buy FC houses solely for the workshop access on a frequent basis. Someone may like to use an empty house as a /gpose studio for getting screenshots of certain animations without distracting objects or scenery in the background. Unless you have camped yourself at their house 24 hours a day, you honestly cannot say whether or not it is getting used (and if you are camping it, why are you so obsessed you've turned yourself into a stalker?).

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1. yeah we have to direct our attention to SE, but it doesn't change the fact that people are being selfish. am i going to do something with those people? no i am only complaining so maybe people give me their opinions on the topic or maybe like myself let go the desire of wanting something that probably won't be used ( if thats the case)

2. no i am not camping houses i have other things to do, but as i said i spend quite some time on my fc house with the members, and sometimes we talk to some of our neighbours and some of them point a house that no one ever see someone inside in like months.

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Originally Posted by Katsuia

in a game where you have a infinite number of houses for everyone no, but in a game where you have a very limited number of it, yeah i think its everyone business to see if the houses are at least being used. Did you read some of the people? houses that on months didn't get decorated, this is unacceptable when there are people out there that would use it properly.
the problem is no 100% the player, SE need to see a way to fix this.

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You really shouldn't focus your attention on the house that's being improperly used (whatever that means), but on WHY it it's being used that way.

You're never going to get anywhere if you only focus on the symptom without addressing the underlying problem.

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Originally Posted by Katsuia

in a game where you have a infinite number of houses for everyone no, but in a game where you have a very limited number of it, yeah i think its everyone business to see if the houses are at least being used. Did you read some of the people? houses that on months didn't get decorated, this is unacceptable when there are people out there that would use it properly.
the problem is no 100% the player, SE need to see a way to fix this.

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Then by that thinking the Bill Gates of the world need to account to everyone else for what they're doing with all their billions of dollars because there are hundreds of millions of people who live below the poverty line of their respective countries of residence.

Sorry but it's really none of our business what other players are doing with their houses. That's between them and SE.

one of my neighbors has had a single bed in their house for the past 8 months with nothing else and frankly I hate those people more than I do grandfathered players and fcs with decorated houses

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Originally Posted by Arielen

one of my neighbors has had a single bed in their house for the past 8 months with nothing else and frankly I hate those people more than I do grandfathered players and fcs with decorated houses

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Obsessing negatively about the amount of decor in another player's house seems a bit over the top. I'd get that checked :)

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Then by that thinking the Bill Gates of the world need to account to everyone else for what they're doing with all their billions of dollars because there are hundreds of millions of people who live below the poverty line of their respective countries of residence.

Sorry but it's really none of our business what other players are doing with their houses. That's between them and SE.

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Yes. Yes they should. Hey, you brought it up.

On topic, while, yes, people can do whatever they want with their houses, you must understand how infuriating it can be to want a house but not being able to and having to settle with an Apartment room, while someone who was lucky enough to get a house (and, make no mistake, it is luck based) barely use it.

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Originally Posted by Katsuia

in a game where you have a infinite number of houses for everyone no, but in a game where you have a very limited number of it, yeah i think its everyone business to see if the houses are at least being used. Did you read some of the people? houses that on months didn't get decorated, this is unacceptable when there are people out there that would use it properly.
the problem is no 100% the player, SE need to see a way to fix this.

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No. Neither you, nor anyone else in this game has the right to say what anyone does with their house. That's it, there's no other argument to be made. If they aren't using it then it will be auto-demolished, otherwise they're using it in some form. You don't have to like how they use their house, but its still their house and none of your business how its being used.

The only thing unacceptable here is people thinking they have the right to dictate how other people use a house.

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Originally Posted by Styrmwyda

On topic, while, yes, people can do whatever they want with their houses, you must understand how infuriating it can be to want a house but not being able to and having to settle with an Apartment room, while someone who was lucky enough to get a house (and, make no mistake, it is luck based) barely use it.

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I definitely understand and sympathize with those frustrated they're unable to get a house. I was there myself during 4.0 and 4.1 after I loss my first house to demolition and there was nothing available because the flippers controlled the wards.

But put the blame on SE where it belongs. Don't take it out on other players just because they choose to play differently from the way you want to play.

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Originally Posted by Besame

Obsessing negatively about the amount of decor in another player's house seems a bit over the top. I'd get that checked :)

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i don't think about it at all hours of the day and allow it to deter my enjoyment of the game so i'd hardly call it an obsession but ok

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I definitely understand and sympathize with those frustrated they're unable to get a house. I was there myself during 4.0 and 4.1 after I loss my first house to demolition and there was nothing available because the flippers controlled the wards.

But put the blame on SE where it belongs. Don't take it out on other players just because they choose to play differently from the way you want to play.

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I don't really think you can blame it on SE either, they put up things with the best intensions and is now stuck on, not being able to boot people from their houses bought with RMT money and more, it is a terrible dilemma, but they need to plug the systems, so no third party tool or botting or whatever will be available and severe reduced, because it is in strong conflict with those people who can not use the same tools on PS4/5, whic create an unfair advantage and people doing such alone is strictly violating the ToS by doing so.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

I don't really think you can blame it on SE either, they put up things with the best intensions and is now stuck on, not being able to boot people from their houses bought with RMT money and more, it is a terrible dilemma, but they need to plug the systems, so no third party tool or botting or whatever will be available and severe reduced, because it is in strong conflict with those people who can not use the same tools on PS4/5, whic create an unfair advantage and people doing such alone is strictly violating the ToS by doing so.

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Sometimes best intentions don't work and changes need to be made. It's been apparent since the start of Stormblood that the ward system will not work long term. Each surge of new players strains the system that much farther, especially when SE is reluctant to add more wards because of population disparities between worlds and regions. A system is needed that can flex the supply at the world level as needed instead of behaving as if every world has the same population. That is something only SE can do, thus we have to look to SE if solutions will be implemented.

As you also said, they need to plug the holes in the system. Exploitation of loopholes should never be ignored because it only encourages more players to take advantage. Again, that is something only SE can do. Plugging those holes may not lead to every player and FC getting a house but at least there would be more able to get one.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Sometimes best intentions don't work and changes need to be made. It's been apparent since the start of Stormblood that the ward system will not work long term. Each surge of new players strains the system that much farther, especially when SE is reluctant to add more wards because of population disparities between worlds and regions. A system is needed that can flex the supply at the world level as needed instead of behaving as if every world has the same population. That is something only SE can do, thus we have to look to SE if solutions will be implemented.

As you also said, they need to plug the holes in the system. Exploitation of loopholes should never be ignored because it only encourages more players to take advantage. Again, that is something only SE can do. Plugging those holes may not lead to every player and FC getting a house but at least there would be more able to get one.

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Best solution we have right now is improving apartments to be true instanced housing rather than yet another FC room not attached to an FC.

I am sure ppl thought my house was barren for awhile, but that is because I had to lock the doors and take everything out of my yard to get rid of the fc in the small house across the road who used to like to use my large house as a place to do all their very very annoying rp, which eventually led to them erping in my house, which was the final straw. I knew some ppl who spent every last gil to buy a home and just didn't have anything extra to furnish it, so it sat empty for a long time until they were able to afford to fix it up. And some ppl buy up small homes and do not put any work into them because they are waiting for a large home to open up so they can transfer.

So you never really know why someone does something, but you can spend all day getting angry for the reasons you made up in your head which is, frankly, quite a waste of time and energy imo.

I say this again and again and again when it comes to housing... We need to stop our infighting and start putting more pressure on SE.

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Originally Posted by MicahZerrshia

I am sure ppl thought my house was barren for awhile, but that is because I had to lock the doors and take everything out of my yard to get rid of the fc in the small house across the road who used to like to use my large house as a place to do all their very very annoying rp, which eventually led to them erping in my house, which was the final straw. I knew some ppl who spent every last gil to buy a home and just didn't have anything extra to furnish it, so it sat empty for a long time until they were able to afford to fix it up. And some ppl buy up small homes and do not put any work into them because they are waiting for a large home to open up so they can transfer.

So you never really know why someone does something, but you can spend all day getting angry for the reasons you made up in your head which is, frankly, quite a waste of time and energy imo.

I say this again and again and again when it comes to housing... We need to stop our infighting and start putting more pressure on SE.

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I had a group of people come into my large house and wander around. Eventually they found the baths downstairs... they were there quite some time and came back up with nothing on. I had a bit of a giggle at that. Was amused someone found some enjoyment from my house.

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Originally Posted by Katsuia

Yeah the house is yours and you can do wharever you want with it, but in a game where you have a limited number of houses we should complain whem people don't use their at all.

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So...

You may think people "aren't using it".
I have a big house for my FC for about 3 years now.
We still didn't finish decorating.

Yet, we know it's there, and we know we'll do it someday.

Once it's bought, you know you can use it anytime you want. And people don't have to hurry themselves decorating "because it's limited and other people are angry they aren't decorating it right now".

Blame devs choices for doing that.
Not players.