New FF title

So i heard this leak about a new Demon Souls-like FF game - the leak sounded kind BS, but i like the idea of them making different kinds of games.
It made me think about that scene in FFXIV 1.0 trailer, where they are Fighting a Marlboro. I think it would be quite neat with a FF game like Souls/Black Myth. Also DmC and BG3 tactics game.
Thoughts?

You should try Code Vein.

Are you talking about the rumored Final Fantasy Origins?

https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status...355780611?s=19


Final Fantasy games have been moving further and further from their roots and into Action RPG territory, so this feels like a natural next step IMO.

What does that have to do with FFXIV though?

Also, the title 'FF Origins' has already been used for the PS1 port/release of FFI and II some twenty years ago, so I'm taking this with a healthy grain of NaCl (and I doubt SE would want to continue working with Koei given the failure of their last FF collaboration Dissidia Final Fantasy NT, which had action RPG elements despite ostensibly being a fighting game hence I presume is where this rumour had it's origins...).

And if in the remote chance it is true, it is almost guaranteed to just be yet another spinoff game and not a proper main series FF title, as the next in line of the main series FF games still to come is already announced and known (FFXVI, produced by none other than Yoshi himself).

Really, until SE themselves announce it, don't believe everything you read or hear, especially on the internet.

Honestly i hope it feels like a real final fantasy there hasnt been one that feels like ff since ff10-2

But knowing ppl its probably just ff8 or ff10 re like they did with ff7 which is sad consinder ff7 re kinda striped alot of greatest even in the first zone

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

You should try Code Vein.

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I'm not really feeling it, it looks generic and stiff.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Are you talking about the rumored Final Fantasy Origins?

https://twitter.com/Nibellion/status...355780611?s=19


Final Fantasy games have been moving further and further from their roots and into Action RPG territory, so this feels like a natural next step IMO.

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Ya, i heard about it from a YT video though.
I know a lot of ppl don't like that change, but i'm all for it

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

What does that have to do with FFXIV though?

And if in the remote chance it is true, it is almost guaranteed to just be yet another spinoff game and not a proper main series FF title, as the next in line of the main series FF games still to come is already announced and known (FFXVI, produced by none other than Yoshi himself).

Really, until SE themselves announce it, don't believe everything you read or hear, especially on the internet.

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Nothing, except it's FF :)
Oh i'm quite sceptical about it, but i like the idea of such a game, though it will probably move away from traditional party - not opposed to that - most of the time it just feels clunky to control 3 characters in an action-style game. It's great in turn-based games, but i'm more for DMC, playing 1 character.

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Originally Posted by StormyFae

Honestly i hope it feels like a real final fantasy there hasnt been one that feels like ff since ff10-2

But knowing ppl its probably just ff8 or ff10 re like they did with ff7 which is sad consinder ff7 re kinda striped alot of greatest even in the first zone

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I like FF7R though :p
Like what did they remove?

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Originally Posted by Radacci

I'm not really feeling it, it looks generic and stiff.


Ya, i heard about it from a YT video though.
I know a lot of ppl don't like that change, but i'm all for it


Nothing, except it's FF :)
Oh i'm quite sceptical about it, but i like the idea of such a game, though it will probably move away from traditional party - not opposed to that - most of the time it just feels clunky to control 3 characters in an action-style game. It's great in turn-based games, but i'm more for DMC, playing 1 character.



I like FF7R though :p
Like what did they remove?

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For one u cant play red x , for two no brothel were u can make cloud sleep with the body builder, for three no quake, for four hell house isn't a random encounter, for five no option to make cloud kiss the don like original, for fifth the summoning makes summons all but pointless

hell the one option we shoulda had we didn't even get to keep cloud xdressed , plus the dons palace was missing alot of its "toys" from original

hell you dont even get the sports energy drink that you can buy for much later in the game,

(yes original let you do all that)

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Originally Posted by StormyFae

For one u cant play red x , for two no brothel were u can make cloud sleep with the body builder, for three no quake, for four hell house isn't a random encounter, for five no option to make cloud kiss the don like original, for fifth the summoning makes summons all but pointless

hell the one option we shoulda had we didn't even get to keep cloud xdressed , plus the dons palace was missing alot of its "toys" from original

hell you dont even get the sports energy drink that you can buy for much later in the game,

(yes original let you do all that)

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Oh, you said first zone, so assume Mako reactor.
Well yea they changed a lot. The hand massage scenes were awesome though :)

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Originally Posted by Radacci

Oh, you said first zone, so assume Mako reactor.
Well yea they changed a lot. The hand massage scenes were awesome though :)

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no i mean the entire first zone as in midgar lol that is the full 1st zone of ff7

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Final Fantasy games have been moving further and further from their roots and into Action RPG territory, so this feels like a natural next step IMO.

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Yeah I'll take one Final Fantasy Nioh please.

I like the shift towards action focused battle systems, honestly. FFVIIR was inherently more satisfying to me than the typical turn based system simply because the latter approach is easy to break or exploit thanks to the AI generally not being very smart. In action based combat you need to be proactive, whereas in turn based systems...the AI will just have the enemy use, say, a fire spell even when it's clear that your character is equipped to be immune to such attacks.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I like the shift towards action focused battle systems, honestly. FFVIIR was inherently more satisfying to me than the typical turn based system simply because the latter approach is easy to break or exploit thanks to the AI generally not being very smart. In action based combat you need to be proactive, whereas in turn based systems...the AI will just have the enemy use, say, a fire spell even when it's clear that your character is equipped to be immune to such attacks.

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It's more poor design choices than something inherent to the type of game. They just don't make the enemy scripts very intelligent, but games like Baldur's Gate 2 made good use of it, especially with mods to optimise the scripts. But I agree, poor design choices like that are annoying.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I like the shift towards action focused battle systems, honestly. FFVIIR was inherently more satisfying to me than the typical turn based system simply because the latter approach is easy to break or exploit thanks to the AI generally not being very smart. In action based combat you need to be proactive, whereas in turn based systems...the AI will just have the enemy use, say, a fire spell even when it's clear that your character is equipped to be immune to such attacks.

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That's just bad design on the part of the AI, though. If you haven't played the Bravely Default series or Octopath Traveler, I'd give them a try. They both have interesting new mechanics with the turn-based system and the AI gets rather clever with how they combat your party.

I'm neutral which way they go. I've been both a Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts fan since the beginning of their respective series so I can do action or turn based or a mixture like we've seen sometimes.

He's played both. They're admittedly far better than older SE games, particularly Octopath which makes some very clever uses of enemy power ups and vulnerabilities to be more challenging, but that comment is in fact based on Bravely Default 2. It has other ways of compensating for it, but I struggle to understand why it's like that in the first place. You'll see it if you compared it to a title like the one I mentioned, which is pseudo-real time, particularly if you used a mod to optimise its scripting; but even without it, it was fairly sophisticated.

I agree with your main point though, it's not inherent to the type of game - it's more to do with bad design.

Wouldn't be surprised. FF doesn't know what kind of game it wants to be since after X, and all they do is follow trends. To think the series used to SET the trends before that...

You know what I want for a spin off game? A Final Fantasy single player spin off that has a single player offline story. I think it would be a fantastic way to show off Hydaelyn, and explore a story that is related, but a bit separate from the main plot. Perhaps they could set it in another shard, and connect the events loosely, or even go behind the scenes on Hydaelyn. There are so many fun places that could be expanded on.


Here are some of mine:

-We could play as a young Cid escaping Garlemald, that tells the story of how the Ironworks were founded.

-The fall of the 13th.

- Actual Final Fantasy XIV Tactics set during the fall of the Ivalice Kingdoms. Could involve Dalmasca, Ranastre, and Valnain.

- The Fall of Yanxia and Nagxia. We still don't now much about Nagxia. That storyline talked about in the Ninja quests would make for an interesting spin off game.

Those are just some of mine. I'm sure there are boundless plots that could be turned in a side venture.

I miss the turn-based Final Fantasies.

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

I miss the turn-based Final Fantasies.

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Word.
I feel a void in their absence.
I know they make Octopath and Bravelt Default to try and full that void but I didn't like either lol.
I'm glad Dragon Quest is still going strong and can scratch that irch or I'd feel the big sad.

Just make it fast, metal and violent and you have me onboard.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Word.
I feel a void in their absence.
I know they make Octopath and Bravelt Default to try and full that void but I didn't like either lol.
I'm glad Dragon Quest is still going strong and can scratch that irch or I'd feel the big sad.

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I'm not all that fond of BD's style, tbh. I liked Octopath better of the two, because I felt it had the more innovative system between the two. BD2 is a lot of fun, it's a lot like a FF game mechanically, but I just don't like the style of the graphics or the story in it enough to class it as a great game. A bit too goofy through and through for my liking. From what I played of Project Triangle demo (another SE project), I liked the story telling method (branching story paths based on decisions, and also fairly gritty), graphics etc. a lot, but I think it has maturing to do in terms of its combat system, as it felt very limited and I didn't like some of the unit design choices.

Anyhow, I really liked 7R's combat design, so if they continue with something like that for the main series I'll be pleased.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Wouldn't be surprised. FF doesn't know what kind of game it wants to be since after X, and all they do is follow trends. To think the series used to SET the trends before that...

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Slightly off-topic but I've thought the same about both Final Fantasy and Assassin's Creed lately. They worked within certain genres, but they also weren't afraid to be unique. Now they just follow what's popular.

XIV looks like it has potential to be another IX - one that hearkens back to beloved series roots but integrates current gaming trends in their own unique ways. I can say what we've seen so far has me very interested.