What other "evil" or "dark" jobs could we add to FFXIV?

Out of curiosity I am wondering what other evil, anti-hero like, or dark type jobs could be added to Final Fantasy XIV.

So far we have Black Mage, Dark Knight, and Reaper. I have heard talk of Necromancer, but other than that, I am not sure what kind of job we could expect in this type of category. I'm curious to hear thoughts on this matter.

Fairly certain that reaper was a compromise for necromancer.

Dark Priest healer

The WoL is anything but evil so I think they'll tread carefully. I wouldn't be surprised if Reaper is the last of the jobs that sort of tow the line there.

For some clarification!

Black Mages (Thaumaturges too) embrace a mentality of "destroy them utterly, thus they can't do that to you". It does rely on forceful powers and mentality, but it's taken quite the steps away from truly DARK magic since Mhach fell - for good reason, as the related lvl 60 Alliance stories for it would tell you.

Dark Knights fall under a more "means justify the ends" to bring those to justice who are otherwise untouchable under lawful concerns - it's also the most personal class, in that the reasons for becoming one are very individual, as opposed to BLM starting from THM, which is more of a "job" in a sense of being priests of death.

Reaper, on the other hand, seems to have taken up the whole Voidsent interactivity the Black Mages had in Mhach's days, though it does seem far more mutual than typical voidsent relations ever were. We need to learn more firsthand, though, so gotta wait until either 5.55 sprinkling hints or EW directly.

The issue with Necromancer and necromancy in general is that from how the soul-cycle and renewal works on Hydaelyn, the soul-binding side of necromancy is directly harmful to the planet. Unlike all the others, who might tap into dark powers, have "Nuke 'em before they kill us", or make pacts with voidsent... Necromancy is the one that's truly negative to the world itself - and thus "evil" - in almost every sense, and isn't likely something our character could ever reasonably pick up as a hero. For more context onto this, examine the Tam Tara Deepcroft (Hard) and Palace of the Dead's story - I'd even suggest looking into Tactics Ogre for even more tie-ins to the Palace, as Nybeth Obdilord is probably the best done Necromancer I've seen in video games so far.




That being said, I'd absolutely love to see "Dark" themed classes insofar as aetherology is concerned. WHM and SCH are... Primarily umbral classes or simply "undefined" healing energy, and AST draws from celestial aether and thus would have mixed aspecting already. I'd love a class - a healer primarily, but class in general - that focuses on what's considered "Darkness" as a focus on largely astral effects.

Only other "dark" classes I can think of for a DPS would maybe be like... an onmyoji/shikigami class - something that deals with yokai. To differentiate it from summoner, don't make it a pet class. Or maybe an exorcist.
A dark healer is kind of a tough one. Maybe something like a plague doctor?
For tank, I have no idea. I'd have to think about it more.

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Originally Posted by Reksanden

For some clarification!

Black Mages (Thaumaturges too) embrace a mentality of "destroy them utterly, thus they can't do that to you". It does rely on forceful powers and mentality, but it's taken quite the steps away from truly DARK magic since Mhach fell - for good reason, as the related lvl 60 Alliance stories for it would tell you.

Dark Knights fall under a more "means justify the ends" to bring those to justice who are otherwise untouchable under lawful concerns - it's also the most personal class, in that the reasons for becoming one are very individual, as opposed to BLM starting from THM, which is more of a "job" in a sense of being priests of death.

Reaper, on the other hand, seems to have taken up the whole Voidsent interactivity the Black Mages had in Mhach's days, though it does seem far more mutual than typical voidsent relations ever were. We need to learn more firsthand, though, so gotta wait until either 5.55 sprinkling hints or EW directly.

The issue with Necromancer and necromancy in general is that from how the soul-cycle and renewal works on Hydaelyn, the soul-binding side of necromancy is directly harmful to the planet. Unlike all the others, who might tap into dark powers, have "Nuke 'em before they kill us", or make pacts with voidsent... Necromancy is the one that's truly negative to the world itself - and thus "evil" - in almost every sense, and isn't likely something our character could ever reasonably pick up as a hero. For more context onto this, examine the Tam Tara Deepcroft (Hard) and Palace of the Dead's story - I'd even suggest looking into Tactics Ogre for even more tie-ins to the Palace, as Nybeth Obdilord is probably the best done Necromancer I've seen in video games so far.




That being said, I'd absolutely love to see "Dark" themed classes insofar as aetherology is concerned. WHM and SCH are... Primarily umbral classes or simply "undefined" healing energy, and AST draws from celestial aether and thus would have mixed aspecting already. I'd love a class - a healer primarily, but class in general - that focuses on what's considered "Darkness" as a focus on largely astral effects.

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A dark healer of sorts would be a welcome addition. Perhaps they could make it some sort of occultist.

"Forum moderator".

These are dark days indeed.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Only other "dark" classes I can think of for a DPS would maybe be like... an onmyoji/shikigami class - something that deals with yokai. To differentiate it from summoner, don't make it a pet class. Or maybe an exorcist.
A dark healer is kind of a tough one. Maybe something like a plague doctor?
For tank, I have no idea. I'd have to think about it more.

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An Exorcist would be a wonderful new job. I could see it applying Senjafuda to enemies and doing damage that is based on exorcising them. Perhaps when an enemy dies to an Exorcist, they gain a unique death animation. After the body falls to the ground, it disappears into dust instead of just fading out the normal way.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

An Exorcist would be a wonderful new job. I could see it applying Senjafuda to enemies and doing damage that is based on exorcising them. Perhaps when an enemy dies to an Exorcist, they gain a unique death animation. After the body falls to the ground, it disappears into dust instead of just fading out the normal way.

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Maybe something like that, yeah. I've been thinking it would be cool to have a class that uses talismans for a while now.

They could always do something like Tyrant as a tank class opposite DRK, that is all about domination and control. Could use a hammer.

I feel like if they were to add another, there healer department is missing that niche, but I sincerely doubt we'd get another healer. But I'd bat for an occultist type there otherwise.

Something Something Dark Healer Something Something

I believe they choose jobs to be completely neutral.

Take for example fire, you can burn yourself or your whole house. But fire is also used to cook and warm ourselves.
It's not evil or bad, the use of fire is. Same principle is used with jobs, Guns are dangerous but not evil or bad.
The same goes with magic or dark arts. That's why Reaper has been added instead of Necromancer, it was a moraly acceptable choice that would not display your character Alignement.

It basically means that all PLD and WHM are not obligatory good people. I mean, whole Shadowbringers what showing that.
If you mean jobs that focus on Dark Arts, Fell Knight could be added but it shares many similarities with Dark Knight.
Hell Knight is a job that simply screams "I am evil" in the same way as Reaper, so i doubt it will even reach XIV in this form. I won't mention Death Knight for the same reason.

Witch could be elaborated as its own job.
Golbez is a Dark Knight using magic, it could be an inspiration for a job.

That's as far as I can think for """evil job""".

I almost wonder if that Onmyoji class idea that Yoshi P mentioned might fit the bill. Of course it does sound similar to Oracle, but it could be interesting.

We have a dark-themed tank (DRK), caster (BLM) and melee dps (Reaper), so I'm guessing a healer or ranged dps would fit the bill.

For healer, I could picture a mage that uses drain/aspir themed spells that absorbs HP/MP from enemies, and then redistributes it to their party members. Their hefty heals could have an HP cost, and they could regain it back with their DPS spells. Similar to a vampire, in a way, but more support focused. It's difficult to think of a weapon, but maybe a glove or gauntlet with claws (similar to the Ascians' gloves) that has a hole in the middle for their drain spells.

For ranged dps, the edgiest thing I can think of is a Van Helsing lookalike with a crossbow. Maybe give them a pet crow or something that attacks alongside you (but then again, that wouldn't be too different from SMN or MCH's Automaton).

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Originally Posted by Raskbuck

We have a dark-themed tank (DRK), caster (BLM) and melee dps (Reaper), so I'm guessing a healer or ranged dps would fit the bill.

For healer, I could picture a mage that uses drain/aspir themed spells that absorbs HP/MP from enemies, and then redistributes it to their party members. Their hefty heals could have an HP cost, and they could regain it back with their DPS spells. Similar to a vampire, in a way, but more support focused. It's difficult to think of a weapon, but maybe a glove or gauntlet with claws (similar to the Ascians' gloves) that has a hole in the middle for their drain spells.

For ranged dps, the edgiest thing I can think of is a Van Helsing lookalike with a crossbow. Maybe give them a pet crow or something that attacks alongside you (but then again, that wouldn't be too different from SMN or MCH's Automaton).

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Vampire is a job in the Bravely series. That.. has potential.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Vampire is a job in the Bravely series. That.. has potential.

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Might be a little difficult when (if memory serves) Bravely Default's vampire focuses on 2 things:

1.) Status effects (like Charm), which aren't really a thing in FF14.

2.) Learning skills from monsters like BLU.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

Witch could be elaborated as its own job.
Golbez is a Dark Knight using magic, it could be an inspiration for a job.

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Warlock Job inspired by Golbez. :3

Someone mentioned this kind of idea a while back:

A healer that does healing in the form of lifesteal. ex: it's basic dps spell is 300 potency and does a 150 potency heal to everyone on the enemies' aggro list or something to that effect. Then just play into that kinda theme while giving it one or two straightforward healing spells.

It's an interesting idea, but I have 0 clue how balancing for that would even start to take form. xD

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I almost wonder if that Onmyoji class idea that Yoshi P mentioned might fit the bill. Of course it does sound similar to Oracle, but it could be interesting.

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What did he say about it? I must have missed it. If we got something like onmyoji/shikigami/taoist, that'd be so awesome. Give me all the yokai. I need a fox spirit lol

I wouldn't count Black Mage as a -DARK- class like Dark knight. Blackmage is more of the middle NUKE class. All they want to do is blow stuff up.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

An Exorcist would be a wonderful new job. I could see it applying Senjafuda to enemies and doing damage that is based on exorcising them. Perhaps when an enemy dies to an Exorcist, they gain a unique death animation. After the body falls to the ground, it disappears into dust instead of just fading out the normal way.

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It'd be a decent compromise on a caster version of Necromancer, IMO. I was either hoping for that or time mage to use darkness as its dominant energy in attacks (or light/dark duality), providing BLM sticks strictly (more or less) to its current elemental trio with a peppering of spells that could dubiously be termed dark-powered.

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Originally Posted by Senn

What did he say about it? I must have missed it. If we got something like onmyoji/shikigami/taoist, that'd be so awesome. Give me all the yokai. I need a fox spirit lol

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It's from here:

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So naturally, we were curious if any other jobs were in the running, and could have possibly bumped one of the two jobs fans are getting in Stormblood out. Yoshida was a little hesitant, not wanting to fuel speculation, but was able to elaborate on some loose ideas that the team had for another job.

“We were thinking of a ranged caster as well” said Yoshida. Apparently the idea was for a very Japanese type of Shaman, Magician, Conjurer-like ranged attacker. There wasn’t a direct English word that perfectly described the idea that Yoshida was trying to describe.

However, when I chimed in and suggested something like the Oracle from Final Fantasy Tactics, Yoshida responded with an emphatic “Yes!” So take that for what it’s worth.

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It's from here:

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Whoaaa that's awesome, I hope a class like that is added

Honestly, I just want a proper Druid inspired job, as high level White Mage is uses almost entirely light element magic, and Geomancer has been coopted by Astrologian. The WHM job filled that niche well for most of the game’s lifespan, but current WHM is more in line with the legacy of the class in FF as a series, so I don’t want it to change, either.

I have no pickiness on role, but some kind of forest witch/wizard type job that has a heavy gameplay push towards poisons could fill both the desire for more “dark” while also giving us back that broader fantasy trope.

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Originally Posted by Senn

Whoaaa that's awesome, I hope a class like that is added

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Yoshi usually holds stuff very close to his chest, and in Q&A's frequently says stuff like "I don't wanna say more in case we use those ideas in the future."
Since they told us about Oracle, I wonder if that means there's little hope we'll see it.

Let's leave it at Reaper and Dark Knight please. I don't want too many dark jobs. There are so many more final fantasy jobs left to add.

It was mentioned already a few times, but also wanted to bring it up for other reasons, I had in the past made a dark healer job idea: Here.

The main themes being Blood, Mind Flayer, Eldritch, and Necro (but not like raising the dead, think the 'other' parts of the concept like in a Diablo (blizzard) game (not raising the dead)).

The theme I thought could easily work well for either healer or damage dealer, the thread was made in the vision of healer mainly because at the time I saw a lot of threads about healers being a bit upset with the loss of their damage / other non-healing actions meanwhile many healers in many types of content could simply oGCD heal and felt a bit bored. So I had made an offensive, ish, focused healer. Coming up with ideas like offensive cures (prevents damage by targeting a specific monster, would need careful balance but would allow you to effectively shield 'heal' while being offensive in nature), or mixing attacks as healers which would allow smoother transitioning / tab targeting of certain frequent repeat actions (flay for example could be used as an offensive spell that combo'd into dominate, but also could be used on allies, the difference being you had this weapon (bell or lantern on a chain with a scythe like implement on the other side of the chain, against allies you'd swing the bell / lantern towards the allies and to enemies you'd swing the razer side, also sometimes you'd whip the lantern at enemies during curse attacks). There were a lot of other ideas to try and make it a bit more aggressive, like RoA (regen on action rather than on tick), curses, etc.

I felt all of that could flow into a DD job as well of course. I note that specifically because you might get more value out of a dark job that's not 'more void', when making the next job, if it happens to be DD (a void healer would be still unique for that role group but like "another void mage" might not feel as much so, not saying it can't happen however, I'm sure many can come up with cool ideas that could sit alongside Reaper). But if this other dark job did use blood / eldritch like magic it could set it apart. Give it the ravens, curses, the unknown unholy like magic that's outside of comprehension - which allows the animations and the magical effects to not look like 'another dark knight' (different motifs, and color potentials).

I had also made a thread on a dark theme'd transformation job, Here.

However, I'm suspecting some elements of desires are consumed by the existence of the reaper, some of which I'll be very pleased for, and some of which (the idea of many different forms to transform into, might be lost at least in a 'dark' theme). I still think a transformation focused job could fit very well though, just changed the theme from dark now to like Primal, nature, or even holy concept. I do really hope the reaper does have an 'evolution' of their current reaper form which causes them to appear far more void-sent like. Currently they get a bit of a Bleach like mode, which is neat, but it would be, imo, cool to be able to appear like Diabolos or Dante in his full Devil Trigger mode (I would very much like that). Or even if not winged demon if it was like the omega wraith (like the new reaper/wraith warframe.. in warframe lol). I mean, personally, I'd still absolutely love to play a Harmonixer Devil May Cry Devil Trigger job, but I'm fairly certain Reaper is taking some of those desires lol. The dark vibes might be well done but maybe sometime in the future I might convert the dark theme'd job request into primal or holy :p (because I still like the idea of a job that actively transforms into things that it is not, so like beasts, demons, angles, primals, whatever).

May suggest that dark jobs don't have to use dark colors either, I remember Blue Mage from FFXI having a dark vibe (some inspiration for the dark healer thread above) in such that you in essence had to shatter your soul to become one. Anti-Hero may take advantage of a situation that isn't simply dark colors or a magic that is stereotypically naughty. May for example have an extension of the light bringer shattering issue turn into a job, not really using voidsent but a job that sits at the very edge of insanity for the purpose of exorcism (or what have you). A holy 'demon hunter'. Maybe a job that made a deal with the elementals, and is like a Golbez Geomancer (I had suggested Geomancer become Geoknight to add an extra level of 'new'ness to the job while keeping a lot of loved concepts, with Golbez and Sauron inspirations for the 'bulky mage warrior').

So i did some thinking, and i got few thoughts,

A real pirate job (not rlly evil but ya) using twin pistols or a scimtar with off hand pistol..
Second, id like a duel wielding berserker (twin axes)

Maybe even an assassin using claw combat.

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Originally Posted by Wasselin

Let's leave it at Reaper and Dark Knight please. I don't want too many dark jobs. There are so many more final fantasy jobs left to add.

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I think there's room for more, personally.

The development team itself has also expressed a desire to pursue their own spin on new jobs rather than rely upon only adding existing jobs from the franchise. That's how we got Gunbreaker, Sage and Reaper.

Granted, there's similarities to be found even then but I'm fond of that approach. One could argue it's also why DNC is a physical ranged DPS in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Someone mentioned this kind of idea a while back:

A healer that does healing in the form of lifesteal. ex: it's basic dps spell is 300 potency and does a 150 potency heal to everyone on the enemies' aggro list or something to that effect. Then just play into that kinda theme while giving it one or two straightforward healing spells.

It's an interesting idea, but I have 0 clue how balancing for that would even start to take form. xD

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Or something like using damage to charge the job meter to then heal people with in some way next to it. Or some spells where you basically give someone a Bloodbath type buff where damage translates to healing. Like a temporary Dancepartner thing.


I am already having way too much fun thinking of stuff like this...

Maybe a Warlock like job class loosely based off of Golbez from FFIV.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20171118135337

With his dragons being treated as temporary summons like Demi-Bahamut/Phoenix or Reapers Shinigami.

Could be included as either the first armor wearing caster or the first magical tank.

For weapon(s), maybe a mace or the beads that wrap around Golbez's wrists in FFIV After Years.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b5/29...6c918a1762.jpg

Magic could function by using both the dragon(s) and weapons to generate magical energy the more physical attacks land and then release big and powerful dark magical attacks.

How about a evil politican class that drives its victims with his words into insanity and makes them losing their will to live?

Omnyo based class could be an alternative.
Played so much Nioh to see how interesting they can work, for evil or for good.
Summoning, buffs and more.

Another would be the opposite of conjure and be a sort of Shaman that draws the negative energy of land who would be more focused on dots and being a sort of caster ninja with diet trick attack.

Just random thoughts anyway, making "neutral" classes can be rough depending on the world building, Reaper will have some explaining to do for that for example

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Originally Posted by Missbone

How about a evil politican class that drives its victims with his words into insanity and makes them losing their will to live?

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So a politician you don't need to add evil to it, that's what they all do that and lie ;p

Always laughed at the idea of being an "Evil" Warrior of Light, you can be "Edgy" without being a try hard.

That being said a darker themed job addition i feel would have to be healer, mainly due to me enjoying the idea of an all dark party of Edge lords (since Blue Mage was wasted & not given a Tank placement, destroying the dream of all Mage dungeon parties) ruining a dungeon.

Dark Knight
Reaper
Black Mage
???

I posit that a Mystic, Oracle, or even something original, in this instance an example i would like to use is Nahualli ( think druid, but of a pre-Columbian shaman - Mesoamerican theme).
https://nahuatl.uoregon.edu/content/nahualli

For a weapon, possibly a small knife for blood letting or talisman for shape changing to different forms for more focused (Owl aspects = Healing - Jaguar aspects =
DPS)

or

Maybe a Mystic that shares themes with Lulu & uses a doll for weapons. Even if she is a Black Mage, her look has a feral/ wild aspect to her to accommodate an edgier/ darker thematic presence.
https://welcometothegameroom.com/wp-...61-603-402.jpg

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Originally Posted by Alacran

Always laughed at the idea of being an "Evil" Warrior of Light, you can be "Edgy" without being a try hard.

That being said a darker themed job addition i feel would have to be healer, mainly due to me enjoying the idea of an all dark party of Edge lords (since Blue Mage was wasted & not given a Tank placement, destroying the dream of all Mage dungeon parties) ruining a dungeon.

Dark Knight
Reaper
Black Mage
???

I posit that a Mystic, Oracle, or even something original, in this instance an example i would like to use is Nahualli ( think druid, but of a pre-Columbian shaman - Mesoamerican theme).
https://nahuatl.uoregon.edu/content/nahualli

For a weapon, possibly a small knife for blood letting or talisman for shape changing to different forms for more focused (Owl aspects = Healing - Jaguar aspects =
DPS)

or

Maybe a Mystic that shares themes with Lulu & uses a doll for weapons. Even if she is a Black Mage, her look has a feral/ wild aspect to her to accommodate an edgier/ darker thematic presence.
https://welcometothegameroom.com/wp-...61-603-402.jpg

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yes i want to fight with plushys