if reaper then Gaius

i think the reaper hero should Gaius Baelsar. he problem will be involve in future content as both ether an ambosser or a general repent the nation of Werlyt to the alliance spoiler

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

i think the reaper hero [...]

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What is a reaper hero?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

What is a reaper hero?

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There is some speculation going around that the new melee job in Endwalker could be a scythe-user - so reaper or necromancer. As far as I know they havent confirmed either yet - I do have this weird memory in my head that they did confirm that Zenos is going to be "the face" of the new job.

So unless Savagelf is refering to wanting Gaius as a scythe-user on the heros side, the ship of him being the represantative figure of the job has sailed (given that my memory in regards to Zenos is correct, of course - though I do believe that the last storycutscene we saw with him was a big hint; him picking a new weapon that we dont get to see yet...)

I don’t think Gaius will be the scythe user- I’m in agreement here that it will be Zenos. I’m curious if it’ll be a garlean centered job and if so, who will we pick it up from? And what will that entail or look like since 70-80 was done through role quests? Do we just talk to someone and they hand us the scythe and leave? Genuinely interested to find out how they’ll handle job lore on classes starting at 70.

Side note I’ve recently been watching Battlestar Galactica and keep getting Gaius Baelsar and Gaius Baltar mixed up when reading names.

Gaius is a little old to be trying to pick up a new weapon and learning how to use it from scratch. He's not a young man filled with energy anymore... like Zenos. Gaius also isn't really in that stage of his life where he is going to be fighting a lot. If he's going to do anything it's leadership stuff.

i don't believe it be Zenos i think we be killed Zenos in endwalker

Why not? We can kill him all the same.

Wait why does any major NPC have to even have the new job? Lyna was the only super important Dancer we saw in ShB and I would qualify her as support cast instead of a major npc.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

I don’t think Gaius will be the scythe user- I’m in agreement here that it will be Zenos. I’m curious if it’ll be a garlean centered job and if so, who will we pick it up from? And what will that entail or look like since 70-80 was done through role quests? Do we just talk to someone and they hand us the scythe and leave? Genuinely interested to find out how they’ll handle job lore on classes starting at 70.

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The questgiver will be someone completely unrelated to the MSQ. They'll have job quests from 70 to 80 to introduce the job's lore, then after you do role quests with the other DDs, you'll return to them for a final job quest at 90.

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Originally Posted by Xeronia

Wait why does any major NPC have to even have the new job? Lyna was the only super important Dancer we saw in ShB and I would qualify her as support cast instead of a major npc.

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Sorta has become a pattern since Stormblood. Alisae went Red mage, and we had Hien and Gosetsu as Samurai. Then, in Shadowbringers, you had Thancred going Gunbreaker. That's 4 major characters who represented a new job in a new expansion. And now we have Alphinaud switch to Sage in Endwalker, so that's a pattern of 5 times they've done this (6 times if you include Zenos as being a Samurai in Stormblood, but he wasn't as major of a character back then as he is now).

5.4 and 5.5 teased Zenos taking up a new weapon. It's unlikely that they would hype up his new weapon so much if it's just going to be something we've already seen before. The new weapon will probably be revealed at the digital fanfest in a couple weeks and 5.55 by the end of the month.

it just going be a katana has weild anything else. did you see any scythic amoung those weapon no. plus he insane become a ascian drove him insane there also other who think it be templar job, i supect at end of ffxiv endwalker we killed him

where in the lore does it mention reaper. you can claim in the palace of the dead i think yoshi p made clean we weren't going have any nermancer jobs

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

it just going be a katana has weild anything else. did you see any scythic amoung those weapon no. plus he insane become a ascian drove him insane there also other who think it be templar job, i supect at end of ffxiv endwalker we killed him

where in the lore does it mention reaper. you can claim in the palace of the dead i think yoshi p made clean we weren't going have any nermancer jobs

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A scythe job may or may not have anything to do with raising the dead like a traditional necromancer. Ran'jit wielded a scythe, but he didn't have any necromantic powers. On the other hand, Zenos' great grandfather, Emet-Selch, aka Hades, was renowned for being able to pull souls out of the lifestream. So Zenos being a scythe wielding necromancer could be a thematic nod to that.

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Originally Posted by Savagelf

it just going be a katana has weild anything else. did you see any scythic amoung those weapon no. plus he insane become a ascian drove him insane there also other who think it be templar job, i supect at end of ffxiv endwalker we killed him

where in the lore does it mention reaper. you can claim in the palace of the dead i think yoshi p made clean we weren't going have any nermancer jobs

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The weapon was actively hidden during the cutscene. That part of the room was kept out of sight. The camera angles show a lot of weapons but deliberately show little of the entire room.

As for what Zenos will wield, it will not be a katana. He specifically says "there is one that I have been meaning to test", and Fandaniel responds with "well well, not quite what I was expecting". That dialogue would make no sense if he just picked up another katana. He's choosing something new to him.

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Fandaniel responds with "well well, not quite what I was expecting". That dialogue would make no sense if he just picked up another katana.

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That means nothing. Fandaniel could just as reasonably have expected him to pick up anything but a katana, because the room was full of various weapons.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

That means nothing. Fandaniel could just as reasonably have expected him to pick up anything but a katana, because the room was full of various weapons.

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I don't think they would bother to specifically bring it up in conversation at the end of a patch cutscene if he was just going to pick up another katana. The dialogue with Zenos has been pretty clear that he is looking for something new.

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Originally Posted by Xeronia

Wait why does any major NPC have to even have the new job? Lyna was the only super important Dancer we saw in ShB and I would qualify her as support cast instead of a major npc.

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typically that's how it works, save Alisae becoming a RDM and Thancred (due to trust requirements more'n likely) becoming GNB.
We know Alphinaud is going to become a Sage, so the precedent is there.

It's Luchador not reaper, my reasoning:
- YoshiP said "not a sumo", why would he say that unless it's a different kind of wrestler?
- Suplex has been a demanded move, which is a wrestling move. LB3, Suplex? We can finally meme the Phantom Train
- Yes, hints point to Reaper, but we also have "Fandaniel" as a villain. Combining these two leads to "Grim Fandango" (my nickname for Fandaniel), which borrows a lot of Mexican folk lore in a Grim Reaping service. You know Koji Fox would sneak in a pun like "Grim Fandaniel".
- It's a melee job, Luchador would be melee
- It's a new job not present in the FF universe, Luchador has never existed in any FF titles
- "What about maiming gear? You wouldn't see a Luchador in heavy armour" I hear the critics say. Armour King in the Tekken universe was a Luchador. The job could be based off of that aesthetic.
- Last live letter? Lucha t-shirt.
- More reaper hints? Carolina Reaper is a type of chilli pepper. You might put it in a chill con carne, a TexMex dish, tying because to a Mexican hint.
- Yes, this means that Zenos picked up a Luchador mask at the end of 5.5


Whilst it is a facetious prediction...I want it to happen. I would be more invested in this than Reaper and I was excited about the idea of a Reaper.

The point I was trying to make is we already know Alphinaud will be Sage so we have our job representation there, I see no reason to force the new melee on someone else just so it is represented. (Much like how no Scion became a Dancer.) I mean it will be Zenos if I have to guess but aside form him I don't need to see anymore more npc's with the job.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

- Yes, this means that Zenos picked up a Luchador mask at the end of 5.5

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I would absolutely lose it if Zenos became a Luchador. I would come undone from laughing so hard. I want it, I need it.

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

I would absolutely lose it if Zenos became a Luchador. I would come undone from laughing so hard. I want it, I need it.

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Turns out he was picking up a Chair and putting on the mask. He's become La Parka!

Clearly Zenos picked up GREG the most MAGNIFICENT WEAPON of ALL!! Why else would it be offscreen?

wrestler has been a job in ff title through. also yosh p maybe drop hint to throw you off. also a wrestler job doesn't make sense if your enemy is use any melee weapons or range weapon the wrestler would be dead

or it could be job called repear that weild a a crossbow they have crossbow called the repear even the bolt heads called grim repear realize he could do this the shirt that consider with it would be huntress

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Originally Posted by BunniEclair

Side note I’ve recently been watching Battlestar Galactica and keep getting Gaius Baelsar and Gaius Baltar mixed up when reading names.

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Best sci-fi space opera ever! Next to Star Wars XD

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

It's Luchador not reaper, my reasoning:
- YoshiP said "not a sumo", why would he say that unless it's a different kind of wrestler?
- Suplex has been a demanded move, which is a wrestling move. LB3, Suplex? We can finally meme the Phantom Train
- Yes, hints point to Reaper, but we also have "Fandaniel" as a villain. Combining these two leads to "Grim Fandango" (my nickname for Fandaniel), which borrows a lot of Mexican folk lore in a Grim Reaping service. You know Koji Fox would sneak in a pun like "Grim Fandaniel".
- It's a melee job, Luchador would be melee
- It's a new job not present in the FF universe, Luchador has never existed in any FF titles
- "What about maiming gear? You wouldn't see a Luchador in heavy armour" I hear the critics say. Armour King in the Tekken universe was a Luchador. The job could be based off of that aesthetic.
- Last live letter? Lucha t-shirt.
- More reaper hints? Carolina Reaper is a type of chilli pepper. You might put it in a chill con carne, a TexMex dish, tying because to a Mexican hint.
- Yes, this means that Zenos picked up a Luchador mask at the end of 5.5


Whilst it is a facetious prediction...I want it to happen. I would be more invested in this than Reaper and I was excited about the idea of a Reaper.

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I cannot convey just how fast I would drop everything to main Luchador <3
And oh my would a luchador look fabulous is maiming armor hahaha

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Originally Posted by MoofiaBossVal

Sorta has become a pattern since Stormblood. Alisae went Red mage, and we had Hien and Gosetsu as Samurai. Then, in Shadowbringers, you had Thancred going Gunbreaker. That's 4 major characters who represented a new job in a new expansion. And now we have Alphinaud switch to Sage in Endwalker, so that's a pattern of 5 times they've done this (6 times if you include Zenos as being a Samurai in Stormblood, but he wasn't as major of a character back then as he is now).

5.4 and 5.5 teased Zenos taking up a new weapon. It's unlikely that they would hype up his new weapon so much if it's just going to be something we've already seen before. The new weapon will probably be revealed at the digital fanfest in a couple weeks and 5.55 by the end of the month.

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It's "Yes, but" time.
All characters that choose the job were "playable" or based on a player model, race squeleton. Zenos has its own model like Ran'jit. Gosetsu has unique assets but he shares animations with roegadyns.

Thancred had a Gunblade in his back which clearly hinted a gunblade job. Zenos we don't have full visual of the scythe, we know it's a scythe but for some reason they keep hiding it.
Zenos used a katana but he wasn't Samurai either, he didn't used any SAM ability or even had a jobstone. He's basically like the guy with a katana using PLD animations.

Plus, Zenos as a poster job? Would it mean that the statue would be Zenos for a second time?

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

It's "Yes, but" time.
All characters that choose the job were "playable" or based on a player model, race squeleton. Zenos has its own model like Ran'jit. Gosetsu has unique assets but he shares animations with roegadyns.

Thancred had a Gunblade in his back which clearly hinted a gunblade job. Zenos we don't have full visual of the scythe, we know it's a scythe but for some reason they keep hiding it.
Zenos used a katana but he wasn't Samurai either, he didn't used any SAM ability or even had a jobstone. He's basically like the guy with a katana using PLD animations.

Plus, Zenos as a poster job? Would it mean that the statue would be Zenos for a second time?

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Or Alph and Sage, plus them hiding it/making such a big deal would be more down to the job not being announced yet, if he is the second job they couldn't really have him show it off well ahead of its intended reveal.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Clearly Zenos picked up GREG the most MAGNIFICENT WEAPON of ALL!! Why else would it be offscreen?

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Yes, obviously! We need Greg.

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Originally Posted by BlitzAceRush

Or Alph and Sage, plus them hiding it/making such a big deal would be more down to the job not being announced yet, if he is the second job they couldn't really have him show it off well ahead of its intended reveal.

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Very true.
Still frustrating...

Yo!
I figured out what Zenos chose for his new weapon!!

https://static.gosunoob.com/img/1/20...t-1024x576.jpg

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

It's "Yes, but" time.
All characters that choose the job were "playable" or based on a player model, race squeleton. Zenos has its own model like Ran'jit. Gosetsu has unique assets but he shares animations with roegadyns.

Thancred had a Gunblade in his back which clearly hinted a gunblade job. Zenos we don't have full visual of the scythe, we know it's a scythe but for some reason they keep hiding it.
Zenos used a katana but he wasn't Samurai either, he didn't used any SAM ability or even had a jobstone. He's basically like the guy with a katana using PLD animations.

Plus, Zenos as a poster job? Would it mean that the statue would be Zenos for a second time?

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More than likely Zenos version of the job would be a different version of what we get. And its not like they have to put in an npc that has the job in 5.55, just look at dancer who didn't get any rep in the game until shb. Zenos was indeed a samurai he just used his own version of it, his sens were their own, And no you don't need to have a job stone to be a job they just make the process faster.

what ffxiv need is fourth range dps job not another melee. if they want another melee use maime why not make dragoneer which would a job that has dragonling for a companion as once yoshi p suggest

could javilan and a sheild

i still don't think they place for wrester job with how weapon work in ffxiv. through yoshi p may be hint at ranger since there brand name of crossbow called reaper and bolt called grim reapers. we only have 3 healer and 3 range dps so add a ranger make sense to me

it also a way throw everyone off the really job too tell them repear know they like scythic or nermancer or such

the two job that could mean ranger or job simalar would be Huntress for DC or a Drizzt shirt

my theory about Zenos is simply that the rogue ascian is the weapon he cute him down and shape him into a katana to use

Wrestler/Sumo/Luchador would be really cool but it just can't work in FFXIV as those guys grapple and manhandle and armlock and throw their targets. The way the game is played with monsters only having a handful of animations (certainly no animations of having their arms twisted or being caught in a chokehold, etc), with no collision detection, and the input delay of the game... it just wouldn't work. Also wouldn't really work against the large bosses in this game (what, does he punch? How is that different from a monk?).

I’ve said this before but:

I am 90% positive it will not be necromancer.

I’m fairly certain the Heroes Gauntlet dungeon was soft-trolling the fan base.
“Put in berserker!, what about thief?? No gotta be necromancer!”
Yoshi-p: wish granted! we put them in the game!

Does nobody remember when people complained about Atma?
“Please make them easier to find!”
Yoshi-p: lol ok! Now they’re different colors so you can find them in your inventory faster :)

I would not be surprised if it was FFXIVs version of a demon(void) hunter or something like that.

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I am 90% positive it will not be necromancer.

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Yoshi-P uttered the word "necromancer" at least three times within one minute during the announcement showcase, so it absolutely won't be necromancer. Quite simply, if it were necromancer, he would have named any possible job but necromancer. He laughed and said "Necromancer" sarcastically along with something I didn't understand, but Koji's response was, "Ha, yeah, please, it's not going to be... [hand motions]".

They further trolled with mention of Necromancer a few minutes later in regards to Yoshi-P continuing to work on XIV even after death.

The. Job. Is. Not. Necromancer.

On the other hand, such trolling is unlikely to go down well in this day and age after the bitter disappointment that came as a result of the missing genders. There's a decent amount of support for a 'darker' DPS job, be it necromancer or something similar. It may or may not happen, though some of the game's major rivals each have it in some form already. Namely GW2, WoW and ESO.

Furthermore, the story itself has already established that 'Light' and 'Dark' do not equal 'Good' and 'Evil'. With that in mind, it's a good point to showcase that with our own character.

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On the other hand, such trolling is unlikely to go down well in this day and age after the bitter disappointment that came as a result of the missing genders. There's a decent amount of support for a 'darker' DPS job, be it necromancer or something similar. It may or may not happen, though some of the game's major rivals each have it in some form already. Namely GW2, WoW and ESO.

Furthermore, the story itself has already established that 'Light' and 'Dark' do not equal 'Good' and 'Evil'. With that in mind, it's a good point to showcase that with our own character.

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Yup. Even with a job like a Necromancer, there are ways to implement it that don't fall under the "evil" category. Darkness itself is not evil, it is just a potent energy born of aether in a highly energetic state, and you can tie it to notions like drawing on the Underworld (Aetherial Sea) and, yes, corpses of monsters etc. It does not have to be done exactly in the same way as NPC necromancers, and besides, the dungeon boss already shows one could even be such a Necromancer and a WoL. But really, it could be tied to drawing on the Underworld's power, and darkness, to form shades and the power of stray souls, much like an Exorcist could, so it's all about how you set up the concept. Time mage was the other candidate caster job that seemed like a good avenue for darkness-based magic, if BLM were not to get any (more), that is. I think a full-fledged DoT caster would make sense as the next caster, since SMN and BLM only use them in a very minimal fashion. Perhaps one which drew on SpS through appropriate mechanics, to give BLM a gear itemisation bosom buddy. :`) 7.0+ stuff, at this stage.

With that said, I do think they'll opt for some name besides Necromancer, and I have a feeling it'll be some form of implementation of a Mystic Knight/Templar without a scythe or some other weapon besides a sword, but I wouldn't preclude a darker aesthetic to it.

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Originally Posted by kaynide

I’ve said this before but:

I am 90% positive it will not be necromancer.

I’m fairly certain the Heroes Gauntlet dungeon was soft-trolling the fan base.
“Put in berserker!, what about thief?? No gotta be necromancer!”
Yoshi-p: wish granted! we put them in the game!

Does nobody remember when people complained about Atma?
“Please make them easier to find!”
Yoshi-p: lol ok! Now they’re different colors so you can find them in your inventory faster :)

I would not be surprised if it was FFXIVs version of a demon(void) hunter or something like that.

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And to add to trolling, Koji Fox has listed "Beastmaster Warrior" as his favourite job in his bit for fanfest.

But I think the hints so far point to a "Reaper" like job the most. Me personally, I think a Dante's Inferno style Templar would be the most fitting for Endwalker because it plays to a "Reaper" aesthetic, but is really a combination of dark and light. A holy knight making use of a scythe and reaping evil. This I think works nicely too in the idea that "light" and "dark" aren't synonymous with "good" and "evil" in FFXIV's world.

That said, I would be psyched if my joke prediction came true. I think my assessment of the hints are just as logical as any other (okay, maybe Zenos isn't grabbing a a Luchador mask, but I'd love it if he was). And hey, Tekken was able to make a badass and edgy version of the concept:

https://i.imgur.com/KyqzJ3x.png

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a hammer wielding DPS time-mage at this point.