One less competitor in the market as Amazon cancels its Lord of the Rings MMORPG...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-two-years-ago

Now I can only hope that they cancel that LOTR series as well. When asked what they wanted it to be they said "Give us Game of Thrones"...so that's basically what it's going to be, most likely. Forever salty about how THAT one turned out.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Now I can only hope that they cancel that LOTR series as well. When asked what they wanted it to be they said "Give us Game of Thrones"...so that's basically what it's going to be, most likely. Forever salty about how THAT one turned out.

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Speaking for TV series ... what happened to the supposed FFXIV Netflix show? Last I heard the script was finished and they were looking for a director and working on concept art.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Speaking for TV series ... what happened to the supposed FFXIV Netflix show? Last I heard the script was finished and they were looking for a director and working on concept art.

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Haven't heard about that in ages. I have no idea.

Probably stuck in development hell due to the pandemic, also, I thought it was Sony bankrolling that one not Netflix (please correct me if that's wrong though!).

I wasn't going to play it, though less competition is a bad thing since the genre really needs some solid competition to keep things fresh and engaging.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

I wasn't going to play it, though less competition is a bad thing since the genre really needs some solid competition to keep things fresh and engaging.

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It's just MMORPGs just don't get made anymore. It really sucks. We have to deal with the same 'ol for another decade. Like don't get me wrong, FFXIV is good, but the genre really needed something else. To liven it up. I mean, other than Korean and the occasional Chinese dev, these games just don't get made anymore, and those countries make them as cash grabs, 'pay 2 win', rather than good games. FFXIV may go for another 10 years, but I just wonder if there will be enough innovation added to keep it good, and not stagnant, for the next decade.

Western publishers/devs just don't want to invest in anything other than live service, or games where they can throw microtransaction after microtransaction at you anymore; low cost, high reward. It's sad. I don't trust indie studios to make a great product either, they simply don't have the capital. Heck, most of them are scams anyway.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Speaking for TV series ... what happened to the supposed FFXIV Netflix show? Last I heard the script was finished and they were looking for a director and working on concept art.

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You mean Dad Of Light?

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Originally Posted by Mykll

You mean Dad Of Light?

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Nah, there was (is?) a live action series about Cid Garlond being planned.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/06...res-television

I was hoping for this to happen and be good just so that I don't have to try LOTRO. There are some things about LOTRO that might appeal to me, but there are also things that make me not want to even try it.

If Amazon ever decides to make an MMORPG based on an existing franchise and it's not based on LOTR, I hope for Star Wars or Conan.

I decided to quit SWTOR since I just don't play it enough in between story patches (though I loved doing the story quests so far) and I never got through the AoC starting zone even after trying it a few times and Funcom has terrible support for free players in my experience.

So a new MMORPG based on either of those two franchises by a company like Amazon would be interesting assuming there is a high focus on PVE.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Nah, there was (is?) a live action series about Cid Garlond being planned.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/06...res-television

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I hope the FFXIV is canceled too. It being live action is a failure by design alone. FFXIV should be animated. Either 2D anime style or with SE's own 3D graphics. Live action is a stupid way to go for this series.

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Originally Posted by Controller

I hope the FFXIV is canceled too. It being live action is a failure by design alone. FFXIV should be animated. Either 2D anime style or with SE's own 3D graphics. Live action is a stupid way to go for this series.

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Eh, it could go very well or very badly. Since the production company behind the Witcher Netflix series and The Expanse is supposedly behind this one as well, I think it could be promising. The Witcher had a few plot holes but it was a fun watch regardless. And The Expanse is the best sci fi show I have ever seen. It wouldn't surprise me if after all this time they abandoned the FF XIV series though. Either way, I wouldn't be opposed to an anime series. I'm not big on anime, though I love the art style, but I'd probably watch that.

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It's just MMORPGs just don't get made anymore. It really sucks. We have to deal with the same 'ol for another decade. Like don't get me wrong, FFXIV is good, but the genre really needed something else. To liven it up. I mean, other than Korean and the occasional Chinese dev, these games just don't get made anymore, and those countries make them as cash grabs, 'pay 2 win', rather than good games. FFXIV may go for another 10 years, but I just wonder if there will be enough innovation added to keep it good, and not stagnant, for the next decade.

Western publishers/devs just don't want to invest in anything other than live service, or games where they can throw microtransaction after microtransaction at you anymore; low cost, high reward. It's sad. I don't trust indie studios to make a great product either, they simply don't have the capital. Heck, most of them are scams anyway.

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It's not that they don't get made, they just don't last for one reason or another, or worst case scenario, as you said, they're just made for cash grab purposes *looks at a certain other mmo that rhymes with mess*

When is less competition ever good for anything?

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Originally Posted by MPK

When is less competition ever good for anything?

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Who said it was good?

Well, it's good for LoTRO if nothing else.

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Originally Posted by linayar

So a new MMORPG based on either of those two franchises by a company like Amazon would be interesting assuming there is a high focus on PVE.

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Why, does Amazon have a good track record making games? I didn't even know they did.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Why, does Amazon have a good track record making games? I didn't even know they did.

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I don't think they released a game yet. I heard they bought a studio to make another mmorpg called New World, but that has been pushed back and reception as been lukewarm from what little I read. Now I'm just finding out about about this cancelled LotR mmorpg. I guess Amazon must like this genre?

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Why, does Amazon have a good track record making games? I didn't even know they did.

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Maybe not, but when I say "a company like Amazon," I'm talking about a big company that can actually invest in an MMORPG (hopefully without the use of crowdfunding). Maybe it's Amazon or maybe it's another company. I don't know and I don't really care as long as I can see a complete game being made with actual effort shown.

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Originally Posted by linayar

Maybe not, but when I say "a company like Amazon," I'm talking about a big company that can actually invest in an MMORPG (hopefully without the use of crowdfunding). Maybe it's Amazon or maybe it's another company. I don't know and I don't really care as long as I can see a complete game being made with actual effort shown.

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Yes Amazon has the resources to invest in a new division. But the thing about investment is that the investors expect a profit. Unfortunately Amazon Games Studio was essentially just as trash tier as the vast majority of game studios and publishers today. On the way to their string of failures they've burned a ton of money. Expect another string of resumes to emerge.

AGS truly is cursed.
I wouldn't be surprised if New World failed one last time in August and AGS shuts down for good.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Yes Amazon has the resources to invest in a new division. But the thing about investment is that the investors expect a profit. Unfortunately Amazon Games Studio was essentially just as trash tier as the vast majority of game studios and publishers today. On the way to their string of failures they've burned a ton of money. Expect another string of resumes to emerge.

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I mean, that's details that are not that important to me. Regardless of the company, I'm not going to be really hyped about anything unless a game has been released. That's why this cancellation news is an "oh well" from me rather than an "oh no" as I didn't expect much.

But again, regardless of Amazon or any other company, I'll always like to hear that a big company is trying to make an MMORPG. Is Riot big enough? I think that's another potential (again, if there is enough PVE component, don't care about PVP), but we'll see.

In the meantime, unlike some people, I am actually very content with FFXIV, how it is currently, and where it seems to be heading. So I don't need a new MMORPG to come, but it's always nice if there is one. It would also be nice if current MMORPG (especially other than FFXIV) would become more interesting enough for me to make me want to try them again, but if not, oh well.

My hopes for the MMORPG market died with The Secret World. Although Funcom did make a lot of mistakes with respect to having so much solo only content in an MMO, the same could be argued about FF14, which has done much better. I did have hopes for The Secret World when finding out that Johnny Depp planned to make a TV series, but it doesn't look like that's gonna happen now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lW70sT3rpA8 The game has pretty much died already, despite their desperate attempts to save it.

It's just that MMORPG's are expensive to make well. Us MMO players just consume the content too fast, and quality content is expensive.

FF14 is certainly doing a great job, and I hope that they continue to find it profitable to do so. But I don't have high hopes for the genre in general. Sandboxes and PvP games are much cheaper to make.

This is phrased very oddly. More options for players is a good thing, they aren’t “competition” because you don’t work for Square Enix.

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Originally Posted by myahele

I don't think they released a game yet. I heard they bought a studio to make another mmorpg called New World, but that has been pushed back and reception as been lukewarm from what little I read. Now I'm just finding out about about this cancelled LotR mmorpg. I guess Amazon must like this genre?

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I can't speak for everyone but myself and my boyfriend really enjoyed New World. We were so disappointed when we found out the release date had been postponed.

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Originally Posted by Controller

I hope the FFXIV is canceled too. It being live action is a failure by design alone. FFXIV should be animated. Either 2D anime style or with SE's own 3D graphics. Live action is a stupid way to go for this series.

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I'm inclined to agree. I've always found live action fantasy to be fairly cheap and tacky looking in the majority of cases. Or elements are changed for no obvious reason at all. I'd prefer something animated, so that the characters can more closely resemble their in-game counterparts and we don't have to rely on actors dressed up in cat ears/bunny ears. If it's anything like the World of Warcraft movie, though, it'll likely just focus on one or two specific races and offer minimal fanservice beyond that.

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Originally Posted by MrPresident

they aren’t “competition” because you don’t work for Square Enix.

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I don't think there is an implication that "competitor in the market" is with respect to the players rather than SE/FFXIV.