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Please remove this time that we do not know for the purchase of homes. I've spent more than 10 hours in front of one on Saturday. On Sunday I stayed more than 8 hours, and yesterday I was alone in front of one for another 11 hours and nothing. I went out to do duty and they had bought it.

If they remove the random, invisible timer, we're back to house flipping - aka, people agreeing to relinquish their house for a given amount of gil so the person paying can snatch it right up, thus giving people an incentive to buy houses they dont actually want (except for selling them later).

Is it an ideal solution? Nope.
Does it adress the main problem housing has? Nope.
Does it at least adress one problem housing used to have? Jep.

Got it... but I give up to buy a house... I cant stay more 7~10 hours at least for try to buy.... this game is so huge... I want buy a house... but a lot of side quests and jobs to up...

Unfortunately i gave up =(

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Originally Posted by Nebb

Got it... but I give up to buy a house... I cant stay more 7~10 hours at least for try to buy.... this game is so huge... I want buy a house... but a lot of side quests and jobs to up...

Unfortunately i gave up =(

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That's ok.
You don't need to sit there all day for days on end trying to get a house. It's unhealthy and each failure is so frustrating.
I heartily recommend looking for a little bit here and there between other things, or while waiting in que.
Either way, dont kill yourself especially with new Ishgard housing wards coming so soon (6.1).
Good luck~

It's sad that they don't review housing demands within any reasonable time period. There is definitely a deliberate (and I would almost say malicious) intent to make sure that at least part of the player population will never get a plot they want, because ever since before housing was released, Yoshida had emphasized on housing being a scarce content that will not be playable by everyone.

For some reason, in a game that caters to so wide an audience. They have to go and deliberately create the worst possible experience in housing.

Tks... sure... I agree... Ill wait for 6.1... tks again

Without the timer, those houses would have been sold before you were aware they had been available. At least with the timer you've got a small chance that it will be ready for purchase just after you know about the house. And even if you hadn't gone into a duty, you still may not have gotten that house as the other players would have still been there trying to buy.

I think most of us agree that SE could shorten the timer without returning any advantage to the house flippers. Having a 2-6 hour timer would be just as effective as the current one though it would mean more competition at the placard for those trying to buy since it would be a shorter wait time.

Don't give up. Just don't camp for several hours straight. Try joining one of the housing discords that track when the plots become available so you'll know when is the best time to actually start checking to see if a house is ready for purchase.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

It's sad that they don't review housing demands within any reasonable time period. There is definitely a deliberate (and I would almost say malicious) intent to make sure that at least part of the player population will never get a plot they want, because ever since before housing was released, Yoshida had emphasized on housing being a scarce content that will not be playable by everyone.

For some reason, in a game that caters to so wide an audience. They have to go and deliberately create the worst possible experience in housing.

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I seriously doubt there's any kind of grand Square Enix based conspiracy. They hear the request for more wards and added a few during SHB but couldn't add more due to not being able to purchase more servers on account of the pandemic. I imagine they'll reevaluate if more wards are required once Ishgard housing is in during the Fall, which is at the earliest 5 months away.

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Originally Posted by Arielen

I seriously doubt there's any kind of grand Square Enix based conspiracy. They hear the request for more wards and added a few during SHB but couldn't add more due to not being able to purchase more servers on account of the pandemic. I imagine they'll reevaluate if more wards are required once Ishgard housing is in during the Fall, which is at the earliest 5 months away.

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Fall is for 6.0. December/ Jan 2022 for 6.1

Fun fact, house flipping would die just as much if the timer wasn't random or hidden. Give it a 24hrs clear and shown timer and all you'd get is a frantic clicking war at the last second by roughly 100+ people. You wouldn't be able to flip a house if the buyer had to wait 24hrs just like everyone else.

Biggest con is that 100 people is an optimistical number and it might get too crowded for Console Players. But at least it's quick and you're not stuck in front of a Placard hurting your hand.

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Originally Posted by ReiganCross

Fun fact, house flipping would die just as much if the timer wasn't random or hidden. Give it a 24hrs clear and shown timer and all you'd get is a frantic clicking war at the last second by roughly 100+ people. You wouldn't be able to flip a house if the buyer had to wait 24hrs just like everyone else.

Biggest con is that 100 people is an optimistical number and it might get too crowded for Console Players. But at least it's quick and you're not stuck in front of a Placard hurting your hand.

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Aside from strain on the server, a known time also means less cost for organized flippers. Instead of having X number of workers clicking placard for unknown hours (a time which could be instead used for other gil-making activities), they just need to have the workers at the placard for a couple minutes for a chance to purchase an FC house to sell.

... By that measure, everything in the game should be a horrible mess of a system, only so people couldn't exploit it. Everything, every last bit of possible game interaction from killing a monster in the overworld to Delubrum Reginae. Less work to get a house, by any measurement and in any way, would mean that whoever has an interest in flipping a house will work less to get it because the idea is to make, again, less work. To get a house. It shouldn't be this hard. To get a house. It's that simple.

This is absolutely no excuse not to improve a system. It shouldn't be that hard to get a house. You'd still be horribly affecting your ability to sell houses to someone if that person didn't already had a plot to relocate. That issue would still be exactly as solved as it is right now. It wouldn't make anything easier to try and SELL the house. It would just be easier to BUY a fresh plot.

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Originally Posted by ReiganCross

... By that measure, everything in the game should be a horrible mess of a system, only so people couldn't exploit it. Everything, every last bit of possible game interaction from killing a monster in the overworld to Delubrum Reginae. Less work to get a house, by any measurement and in any way, would mean that whoever has an interest in flipping a house will work less to get it because the idea is to make, again, less work. To get a house. It shouldn't be this hard. To get a house. It's that simple.

This is absolutely no excuse not to improve a system. It shouldn't be that hard to get a house. You'd still be horribly affecting your ability to sell houses to someone if that person didn't already had a plot to relocate. That issue would still be exactly as solved as it is right now. It wouldn't make anything easier to try and SELL the house. It would just be easier to BUY a fresh plot.

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It is not the system that is causing the problem. It is the supply.

Back in 2018, we still had the purchase timer. We still had relocation. Plot prices were the same as they are now. And yet buying a house was not a problem on any but a few congested worlds like Balmung for most of that year because there were plenty of houses available after the 4.2 ward expansion.

The active player base doubled in 2019. Housing did not. The supply became inadequate for the increased demand.

We can makes changes to the system but we won't see any improvement unless the supply also increases to meet demand.

10 hours? That's cute. I spent 18+ hours for my fc house.

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

10 hours? That's cute. I spent 18+ hours for my fc house.

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Neither are good things... :B

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

Neither are good things... :B

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Very true. I understand the reason and need of a timer. But I would want it being visible. At least give people a better chance and not getting fatigued

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Originally Posted by Sotaris

Very true. I understand the reason and need of a timer. But I would want it being visible. At least give people a better chance and not getting fatigued

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Would you be less fatigued? Yes.

Would you have better chance? No.

Your chances would be far worse as more players show up to be ready to click the placard at that designated moment. A lot of players want a house but don't bother camping because they'd rather spend those hours doing other things. Reduce the time commitment to 10 minutes and they will start showing up in large numbers.

I understand the need for the timer, but I wish it'd be shorter like an hour, maybe two. Then you know you have a time commitment, but also a reasonable expectation that someone will win in the near future, and win or loss, you can move on and try again, or do something else.

It is true that more people will show up to get the house, but you're also not wasting all that time. You can move onto another open plot, if there is one.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Would you be less fatigued? Yes.

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This should be more than enough reason to change things. Having a quick try and loss is much better than hurting your hand clicking the same Placard almost an entire day (That is, if they aren't using an auto-ckicker, which happens more often than not.)

The meta game at that time shifts from attempting the fastest click on every possible second the timer can pop, to macro managing multiple timers on multiple plots to show up on the correct time to have a clickoff at the last possible second.

Supply won't increase, they can't increase it. Even throwing more wards would just delay the problem until the next threshold. So at the very least, if you're not gonna double or tripple the number of wards on every system to meet the demmand, improve the method by which we acquire the houses that are being vacated by the auto-demolisher.

It'd also work just fine if they simply gave some sort of indication of when the plot would become available for purchase, such as the color of the plot. Deep red for greater than 12 hours, green for less than three. This would give time for people to learn a plot was open while also letting them know they don't have to skip a day of life clicking a placard if they see a red plot.

Yes, I am willing to consider job offers in an SE theoretical trouble shooting position.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Would you be less fatigued? Yes.

Would you have better chance? No.

Your chances would be far worse as more players show up to be ready to click the placard at that designated moment. A lot of players want a house but don't bother camping because they'd rather spend those hours doing other things. Reduce the time commitment to 10 minutes and they will start showing up in large numbers.

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Sure but you would know if you have to put aside possibly your whole day to click a placard. I dunno, I'd prefer that over a unknown timer.

Once Ishgard housing comes, a lot of plots will open in the older wards. Probably even Kugane. I'd do your shopping then.

See, I do not understand the problem with house flipping, it is a great investment and a way to make gil. It is LITERALLY how we do things in our civilization in the real world. The system was designed around that system in the first place.

Right now, the system is wait for an undetermined amount of time, probably at least 12 hours, clicking a sign with other people around to then around hour 24 of clicking, someone comes up and relocates. GG\

Is there a limit to relocation? Cause if I get a house, I'm bout to relocate all the time just to show what a dumb system this is they have for current home buying. I dunno about you guys, but clicking a sign for hours on end, probably multiple times and still never find a home is insanity. Probably makes sense to people that have a home, but once you get a home, your literally just a lifetime subscriber to ff14 which is why they actually keep it this way. I use to have a mansion, I ended up letting it go, now I regret not just buying that year of subscription for while i was in college taking tough classes just to maintain it. Should not be that way.

House flipping might exclude those that don't have the gil, but the current system excludes anyone who doesn't have endless hours to click a sign. Either way, someone is getting excluded. At least with house flipping, the economy is then in the players hands and not RNG.

Another remedy, maybe not make the timer 2-1000 hours, maybe make the effin timer something civilized like 2-4 if you are insistent on a timer...Jesus...

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Originally Posted by jakers127

See, I do not understand the problem with house flipping, it is a great investment and a way to make gil. It is LITERALLY how we do things in our civilization in the real world. The system was designed around that system in the first place.

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The problem was plots would show up on RTM sites, eBay, JP-Amazon, etc, being sold for real money.

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Originally Posted by jakers127

Is there a limit to relocation? Cause if I get a house, I'm bout to relocate all the time just to show what a dumb system this is they have for current home buying.

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As of now, there is only a 5-minute lock when you buy/relocate to a plot.
Sadly, if you wanted to really cause a stir, you'd have to do it on a JP server, the devs really aren't as in touch with the rest of the community as they are with their native language. It took Yoshi-P getting rtm-tell-bombed during trips to the NA and EU servers to see how bad it was, leading to them adding the ability to right-click report RTMers (even though the English forums were littered with threads about it).

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Originally Posted by jakers127

See, I do not understand the problem with house flipping, it is a great investment and a way to make gil. It is LITERALLY how we do things in our civilization in the real world. The system was designed around that system in the first place.

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No, it wasn't. SE has specifically stated they never intended players to be reselling houses to other players.

Not to mention look at what the real world real property trade has done to living conditions for many people, forcing them to live in cramped, unhealthy conditions or long distances from where their jobs are located due to the cost of homes and apartments. That's hardly a system worth emulating.

If SE wanted flipping to occur, they would have never implemented the timer. If they wanted flipping to occur, they would have implemented a player controlled auction system for houses from the start instead of forcing players to pay the game to purchase or relocate to a plot. Whatever fee they wanted the game to collect as a gil sink would have been attached to the auction price.

And in all honesty, what's the point of flipping or any other activity to make large amounts of gil unless you're selling that gil via RMT? Gil is at the point it has little value in this game other than to buy house (you're going to flip houses to buy something you already owned? Don't think so). It's nice that SE is finally starting to add in some new gil sinks that might give gil some value in the future but their initial offerings have been lackluster and somewhat puzzling.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It is not the system that is causing the problem. It is the supply.

Back in 2018, we still had the purchase timer. We still had relocation. Plot prices were the same as they are now. And yet buying a house was not a problem on any but a few congested worlds like Balmung for most of that year because there were plenty of houses available after the 4.2 ward expansion.

The active player base doubled in 2019. Housing did not. The supply became inadequate for the increased demand.

We can makes changes to the system but we won't see any improvement unless the supply also increases to meet demand.

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Jo is correct. We that have been here a few years know what the experience was back even 4-5 yrs ago. I remember saving the money for a small house after maybe 7-8 months of play, going to the Lava beds and finding a neighborhood with 4-5 empty lots. I grabbed the one I liked out of the group and was g2g. I did find out that in the next few months, the other empty plots were being grabbed by the same person with different alts, and kept locked up and unused hence the lack of housing due to greed. Eventually after many months, these houses were sold off by the same owner for millions of gil. SE has not been able to expand it's housing services for whatever reason. At this point, it's revamp everything to instance or keep applying bandaids. More housing neighborhood expansions are a poor bandaid fix, and only good for a few hours when the plots are gone. The larges and mediums go in a flash hehe. Personally, I am satisfied with my medium, an apartment and the small FC given to me. I could afford to upgrade or buy more property, but why? I'll leave the rest of the goodies so others can enjoy :)