Cool active mode DoM weapon effects.. that you can't see in passive mode!

I love the trend of the weapons animating or lighting up when you take them out, but how about making the DoM weapons animate when you are in combat in passive mode too?

Yeah, I think that
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would be cool,
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if only that
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orbiting Dalamud would
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the back of the head.

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lol~ would be awesome if the other tools did that! :D

Usefulness > Looks

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Usefulness > Looks

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Looks > Usefulness

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Usefulness > Looks

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Pfft, we all know that in a game without gear swapping or fights that are anything other than tank-n-spank/kite-n-fight that there's only going to be one best in slot weapon for each class so there's really no incentive to keep flooding players with level 50 weapons if it weren't for people enjoying the aesthetics.

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Originally Posted by Zyph

Pfft, we all know that in a game without gear swapping or fights that are anything other than tank-n-spank/kite-n-fight that there's only going to be one best in slot weapon for each class so there's really no incentive to keep flooding players with level 50 weapons if it weren't for people enjoying the aesthetics.

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Which there is currently none of for DoM.

You know, I prefer it the way it is presently. Maybe S.E. should alleviate issues regarding mages in active mode instead.

And it's people liking how DoM gear/weapons currently that we'll never have nice things.

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Which there is currently none of for DoM.

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Sure there is, there's that one WHM staff that gives +40 healing potency.

What staff is this, and what are the other stats to it?

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

What staff is this, and what are the other stats to it?

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You know the +40 / -20 stat weapons they added in the dungeons? It's the WHM one.

Chiran Zabran's Tempest: -20 m.acc / +40 h.pot
http://mooglebox.com/images/chiran-z...7s-tempest.png

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Usefulness > Looks

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I just wanna say, I chuckled when I saw that the 'Red Wizard' posted that.

... so you're still losing out on it.

Like the magic crit with - magic attack acc.

Sure you can counter it with some rings, but now your still losing stats that you could have had added to.

I personally would like it if we could still get the MP regen with our weapons out so long as we weren't moving or attacking. Wouldn't that solve the issue?

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Originally Posted by Denmo

I just wanna say, I chuckled when I saw that the 'Red Wizard' posted that.

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D: Is that a good thing, or bad thing?

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Originally Posted by REDace0

I personally would like it if we could still get the MP regen with our weapons out so long as we weren't moving or attacking. Wouldn't that solve the issue?

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Yes .

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

... so you're still losing out on it.

Like the magic crit with - magic attack acc.

Sure you can counter it with some rings, but now your still losing stats that you could have had added to.

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I don't want to get into a gear argument, but as a healer, you don't really need Magic Acc. Compared to all of CON/WHM's current weapon choices, it's the best. Hence best in slot.

I don't doubt that at least one of these new weapons is going to be more useful. Then THAT will be best in slot, furthering my argument that the only reason people will be wearing other gear will be for aesthetic choices.

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... so you're still losing out on it.

Like the magic crit with - magic attack acc.

Sure you can counter it with some rings, but now your still losing stats that you could have had added to.

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It's a staff geared toward WHM. What the heck are you going to need M. Acc for when your job is healing and buffing your party? Leave nuking and sleeping to the BLM.

Best in slot doesn't make it the best. This game has no best.

It's picking the lesser of two evils right now.

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I personally would like it if we could still get the MP regen with our weapons out so long as we weren't moving or attacking. Wouldn't that solve the issue?

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I like that. I like to be in active mode when I have a shield on, so that I have the chance of blocking an attack if I pull hate and the monster wants to smack me around a bit.

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It's a staff geared toward WHM. What the heck are you going to need M. Acc for when your job is healing and buffing your party? Leave nuking and sleeping to the BLM.

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Which is why Whm/Cjn shouldn't have Aero/Stone spells.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Best in slot doesn't make it the best. This game has no best.

It's picking the lesser of two evils right now.

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The lesser of two evils... what's the competition? I'm not really sure what you're getting at.

It's easily the best in slot for a WHM role unless you have a quad meld+ materia weapon or something.

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Which is why Whm/Cjn shouldn't have Aero/Stone spells.

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lol, then CNJ wouldn't be able to hold its own solo without outside help, and that would be silly. Besides, WHM always had those elements in the classic FF games.

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lol, then CNJ wouldn't be able to hold its own solo without outside help, and that would be silly. Besides, WHM always had those elements in the classic FF games.

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But you said it yourself.

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It's a staff geared toward WHM. What the heck are you going to need M. Acc for when your job is healing and buffing your party? Leave nuking and sleeping to the BLM.

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hhmmmmm seems ass backwards to me.

Comparison, take any mage weapon and compare to another. They all have crappy stats or some kind of bonus we don't use on it.

Moogle weapon MP proc on melee and has what 20 Macc?
Vintage Cudgle unslotted has more Mag acc.
Ifrit weapon has ok Magic attack potency, but has extra damage on melee attack. WHHHHYY!? Why can't ad more fire attack potency by a %.

I want to thank you 3 for artificially inflating the popularity of my thread with your largely pointless discussion of Chiran Zabran's Tempest. Carry on.

EDIT: not sarcasm

Aren't most of your threads for fun?

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Aren't most of your threads for fun?

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None of them are for fun. Except Wataumaturge.

Just switch to active mode during battle ^^
What DoM need is a WS again

We need a reason to take out our staves. I'm so annoyed that we can't show them! URGH damn you SE for not satisfying my need to show my epeen on these great looking weapons ;-;

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Just switch to active mode during battle ^^

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This. Seriously it takes like half a second to do.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Just switch to active mode during battle ^^
What DoM need is a WS again

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1 they dont have WS
2 in active mode you dont regain mp

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But you said it yourself.


hhmmmmm seems ass backwards to me.

Comparison, take any mage weapon and compare to another. They all have crappy stats or some kind of bonus we don't use on it.

Moogle weapon MP proc on melee and has what 20 Macc?
Vintage Cudgle unslotted has more Mag acc.
Ifrit weapon has ok Magic attack potency, but has extra damage on melee attack. WHHHHYY!? Why can't ad more fire attack potency by a %.

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I said that in the context of a WHMs role in a party, where you generally won't be nuking or sleeping. That doesn't mean a CNJ's nuke and sleep spells are useless though, because they're fundamental when it comes to other situations, like soloing.

As far as your weapon examples, not every weapon can be the best. This goes for any class. You asked for a best in slot weapon though which is why Chiran Zabran's Tempest was pointed out. It's the best in slot for a healing/buffing role.

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1 they dont have WS
2 in active mode you dont regain mp

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1. They had own WS once. Because of that I wrote "again"
2. In passive mode you can't see your weapon animation

Just switch to active mode -> cast a spell -> switch back to passive mode.

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Just switch to active mode during battle ^^

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This. Seriously it takes like half a second to do.

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Having your weapon out makes you look like a frickin' noob. It draws criticism from your teammates because your job is pretty much to be in passive mode. That's just a dumb workaround, not a solution.

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1 they dont have WS
2 in active mode you dont regain mp

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1)they used to (There was really no good reason to remove them, all weapons used by mages in XI still had weapon skills and there were at least rare cases when they could come in handy)
2) we're asking that we be able to (and you do regain MP, but from refresh effects only), not saying that it's the way things are at the moment.

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because your job is pretty much to be in passive mode.

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It wasn't always this way, and there's no reason it has to stay that way.

Frankly, I think refresh effects should be made way better and have the regular MP recovery only apply when entirely not in combat. (eg not have hate on anything).

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Which is why Whm/Cjn shouldn't have Aero/Stone spells.

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Then conj / WHM would be highly inviable in PvP when that comes out. Think back to WoW's preists. Even though they were the most effective healers, they still had an array of reasonably powered offensive actions, that, even if you didn't use them in PvE parties, were used in PvP.

Even in early FF games, WHMs were at a minimum very powerful against undead/demons. in XI, they weren't powerful against anything. White magic is mostly aligned with good, it's not necessarily all about healing, it's also about smiting unholy beings. I'm tired of people saying that WHM and CNJ (especially CNJ itself) shouldn't have offensive magic.

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I know that they use to have WS but they dont now. so they dont have them like i said. But to this post yes Whm is the Undead smiting master so it should have banish to do that ill never understand why they didnt give them this.

2 things they should do about this.

1. Make cnj/thm auto attack be ranged attacks.( Can they make it so the ranged attack is visible otw to the target.)

2. Make cnj/thm mp regen as the same as in passive. I'm sure mages wouldn't be OP this way cause you wont gain mp when solo cause when mobs are attacking you, you only get the 3 mp per tic regen from passives. So it works like this stand still with weapon out get mp back as long as you don't have flashing red hate.

I had a 3rd one but it slipped my mind so ill add it later lol >_>.

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... so you're still losing out on it.

Like the magic crit with - magic attack acc.

Sure you can counter it with some rings, but now your still losing stats that you could have had added to.

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That staff is great and personally i use it when doing content so i am usually not attacking with magic cause i have to keep everyone alive, but when its time to solo i bust out my Ifrits staff for that extra dmg.